ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

[steeltowngirl]

I was thinking hair shedding lol. But you probably have a point. I'm still finding an occasional random hair from our eldest mutt hound that died a year ago. JMO

Oh gosh, thanks and sorry for misinterpreting, I’m not a dog owner so the shedding didn’t occur to me. <facepalm>

 

[jepop]

The one on the right without the ledge, underneath Xana and Ethan is what I understand. JMO

edit: PCA says east side of first floor.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Probable%20Cause%20Order.pdf

ok, so in diagrams that is bedroom A, I think which would be directly under the living room. I think it is the same window being examined in the pictures you attached.

Edit: deleted wrong attachment

 

[al66pine]

Yeah, I stand corrected on the fall reference in PCA. Two different jobs with PPD, two different applications. ....

snipped for focus. @jepop
Thanks for clarifying why you interp'ed certain info a certain way. Totally understandable.
Thx for apologizing, but no further apologies needed. imo

 

[Ceska]

Does anyone have any theories as to why no screams were heard? TIA! I know it'll be opinion only, but I'm curious what others' thoughts are on the topic.

He made so many mistakes that I now can't imagine that he's very experienced. I'm actually surprised that he was able to commit the murders and escape the house that night. AMOO

Without getting into the details, a large knife like that, used in certain areas of the body (aorta, jugular vein, etc), it can be very very quick, and totally disabling. It literally can take just seconds to one or two minutes....

 

[x_files]

Blitz attack at the most vulnerable time of night, with sharp force object. No time to scream IMO.

and add exhaustion, <modsnip - not victim friendly>. They were at a disadvantage. Ethan or any of them might have been passed out and didn't hear anything until it was far too late.

 

[Nila Aella]

The PCA says Xana's cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the tik tok app. at 4:12 (top of page 4)
Since I don't know much about tik tok I looked this up: how to tell if someone is active. Not so absolute, it is not like FB or messenger. JMO

Active on TikTok: How to Tell if Someone Is? - Tech With Tech

Using the built-in features of TikTok, you cannot reliably tell when someone is actively using the app. There is no status indicator or other feature that informs you of what other users are currently doing. There are ways to infer when someone is online, and there are workarounds that might...

techwithtech.com

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

ok, so in diagrams that is bedroom A, I think which would be directly under the living room. I think it is the same window being examined in the pictures you attached.

Edit: deleted wrong attachment

You are right! I had to go back and check the PCA. His walkthrough indicates Xana's room on the West side. I am directionally challanged lol. JMO

 

[NoseyRecluse]

Just a standard labeling system. You always plan for the 'what if'. If you later find there is a 'suspect vehicle 2' now everything you have written before that point will be a confusing mess.

That's pretty brilliant!

 

[jepop]

You are right! I had to go back and check the PCA. His walkthrough indicates Xana's room on the West side. I am directionally challanged lol. JMO

Anyone would be directionally challenged by the layout of 1122 King Road IMO.

 

[x_files]

I wish Kaylee Goncalves traveled to Texas and started her dream job
I wish Madison Mogen finished her marketing major in her senior year, and sought her marketing dream job
I wish Xana Kernodle finished her junior year as a marketing major with amazing grades
I wish Ethan Chapin could still hit the links and play basketball all summer long



I wish this never happened....

and we can honor them by remembering them, through kind gestures toward others.

Perhaps now and the during the case and then it will eventually go back to being just the MG IMO.

It will with time, but between now and during the trial they may be in for some chaos. But with time the media attention will fade.

 

[Yuletide]

Without getting into the details, a large knife like that, used in certain areas of the body (aorta, jugular vein, etc), it can be very very quick, and totally disabling. It literally can take just seconds to one or two minutes....

That knife is designed for swift disabling and silencing. It sickens me. Those students didn’t have a chance

 

[ktm44]

Fear. too scared to scream, taken off guard, and by surprise. Too wounded to scream afterward. Movies always show people screaming but in real crimes, not sure there's enough time to scream.

People screaming for their lives is definately a Hollywood myth and if someone is truly in that much danger, there is a strong chance that they are so focused on processing the actual event and a solution to their situation that they literally don't think to scream. In this particular case, the killer had the advantage of a surprise attack as well.

<modsnip>

 

[x_files]

You think customers are going to try to discuss the murders with the wait staff/employees? I think that is a stretch, I think most people are not that disrespectful. I give most people/customers more credit than that.

Well, I would have agreed with you but <modsnip - off topic>, plus college students in a small town are going to talk.

 

[Yuletide]

People screaming for their lives is definately a Hollywood myth and if someone is truly in that much danger, there is a strong chance that they are so focused on processing the actual event and a solution to their situation that they literally don't think to scream. In this particular case, the killer had the advantage of a surprise attack as well.

<modsnip>

And Hollywood makes it look easy to disarm a perpetrator with a knife. Those young people were likely asleep, struggling to wake to assess, or shocked in disbelief at what was unfolding. <modsnip> My opinion only.

 

[Derph]

And yet, Murphy's barking might have startled the perp,
And his 1 hair might put the perp in a cell for life.

So, appreciate Murphy!

If one single strand of Murphy's hair is found in anything in BK's possesion and helps put get this guy convicted, he's gonna one famous hero pooch!! Will go down as one of true heroes in the annals of crime!! Mcruff might want to get his resume updated!

 

[al66pine]

"Irreparably Ruined" Restaurant's Reputation?

So true, I think the owner knows this murder case has irreparably damaged her business, and has zero tolerance for any discussion, I don't blame her.

@want2solveit
IRL, bare bones:
Two restaurant employees were brutally murdered, not at restaurant.
Perp may or may not have ordered food there a few times.
May or may not have eaten there or to go.
Perp may or may not have seen or been served by either of the two employees.
How is restaurant's reputation "irreparably ruined." Just not seeing it imo.

HYPOs
I can see a business' rep. being damaged if something waaay out had happened. AFAIK, there's no indication whatsoever of Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs HYPOs like these, even as rumor:
--- Owner or employee was running human trafficking & child sex ring.
Even w those allegations, Pizza-gate restaurant is still in business, per below.*
--- Restaurant chef murdered 2 employees on site, moved bodies to King Rd.
--- Restaurant owner or employee was running murder for hire business there.
Yup, any of the above could damage, even ruin a bus. rep. Could be irreparably ruined.

So (if) former employee spoke publicly, saying perp ate at restaurant, was fussy about food order?
Could owner have zero tolerance re that?
Ok, but I don’t see restaurant's reputation as being "irreparably ruined."
Imo jmo moo
ETA. @Ceska Agreeing w your earlier post on this.
#2 ETA @CityKid. Ditto.
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* 2016 "… U.S. restaurants with an alleged human trafficking and child sex ring... allegedly involved was the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in Washington, D.C."

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[Lilly b]

Yes, that it true. I have a Bernedoodle (the doodle makes them low-shed). He definitely sheds less than your typical dog and significantly less than our cats. However, he still sheds. If the housemates didn't vacuum often, Murphy's hair would still be all over and easily cling to someone's clothing.

Suppose it would all depend on what he touched. He definitely wouldn't of been there to sit down and chat
Possibly dog hairs on his footwear, especially if he's shoes got wet, without going into too much detail. That type of dog has a more wirely greasy type of coat, not like a fluffy dog, where hairs float about everywhere .
Pity they haven't located the clothes he wore yet

 

[Ceska]

That knife is designed for swift disabling and silencing. It sickens me. Those students didn’t have a chance

It was designed for combat use.... including digging trenches, cutting wood....

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[Yuletide]

"Irreparably Ruined" Restaurant's Reputation?

@want2solveit
Bare bones:
Two restaurant employees were brutally murdered, not at restaurant.
Perp may or may not have ordered food there a few times.
May or may not have eaten there or to go.
Perp may or may not have seen or been served by either of the two employees.
How is restaurant's reputation "irreparably ruined." Just not seeing it imo.

I can see a business' rep. being damaged if something waaay out had happened. AFAIK, there's no indication whatsoever of Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs HYPOs like these, even as rumor:
--- Owner or employee was running human trafficking & child sex ring.
Even w those allegations, Pizza-gate restaurant is still in business, per below.*
--- Restaurant chef murdered 2 employees on site, moved bodies to King Rd.
--- Restaurant owner or employee was running murder for hire business there.
Yup, any of the above could damage, even ruin a bus. rep. Could be irreparably ruined.

So (if) former employee spoke publicly, saying perp ate at restaurant, was fussy about food order?
Could owner have zero tolerance re that?
Ok, but I don’t see restaurant's reputation as being "irreparably ruined."
Imo jmo moo
ETA. @Ceska Agreeing w your earlier post on this.
#2 ETA @CityKid. Ditto.
______________________________________
* 2016 "… U.S. restaurants with an alleged human trafficking and child sex ring... allegedly involved was the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in Washington, D.C."

Pizzagate conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Comet Ping Pong - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Unfortunately, it may be a similar situation that the Professor at University of Idaho experienced with that one theorist that was stalking her and claiming she had something to do with the murders. I don’t know what the owners of MG experienced, but there are some real crazy people out there that jump to conclusions with zero evidence. I can only hope the Moscow community embraces and supports this restaurant. My opinion

 

[Yuletide]

It was designed for combat use.... including digging trenches, cutting wood....

Ka-Bar - Wikipedia

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In perspective of when it is used on a human, as it is a combat knife, it is capable of great injury and great harm to the human body. And very quickly