ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide - Moscow #2

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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[otto]

Wait, which is ground level? The lower or the middle?

Google Maps

From video

 

[scdiv]

Chilling video shows Idaho students at HOURS before they were killed

The video shows Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves stumbling towards the desk, ordering a plate of carbonara pasta, and waiting 10 minutes on Saturday night or early on Sunday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This link has the name of the food truck. It appears to be at a stationary location. (Meaning it doesn't pop up in different places.)

 

[cheetostock]

I’d be surprised any door would be left physically open with how cold it seems to be there.

 

[r3d-ros3]

I've been following closely and watched the press release - it seems hard to speculate at this point. The fact that the roommates were home was a massive (and disturbing) bombshell. I do have a lot of questions about the 911 call. Someone on the previous thread mentioned maybe the perpetrator called the cops - certainly possible considering the time 911 was called and that it might not have been the roommates. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the roommates in the home did not realize anything was amiss, whether they were sleeping or up and about on Sunday.

The house (its shape and layout) is really is odd to me. I just remember that in college and grad school, I didn't often pay too much attention to my roommates' coming and going. It wouldn't surprise me if the perp gained access via the balcony, was hiding in the house, or at some point the door wasn't locked (even for a short time). I'll be interested to hear more about Uber drivers and events earlier on in the night at the bar / party. All IMO. As others have stated, I agree that it's very likely only one person (or two) was targeted that night.

IMO, but I don't think that the fact that 2 people in the house were not murdered is a sufficient reason to say this was a "targeted attack" per LE.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

University of Idaho murders: threat still possible without any suspects in custody, police say

Moscow Police Chief James Fry says there is still 'possibly' a threat to the community after four students were murdered on Nov. 15 and police do not have anyone in custody.

www.foxnews.com

 

[isabella88]

I've been following closely and watched the press release - it seems hard to speculate at this point. The fact that the roommates were home was a massive (and disturbing) bombshell. I do have a lot of questions about the 911 call. Someone on the previous thread mentioned maybe the perpetrator called the cops - certainly possible considering the time 911 was called and that it might not have been the roommates. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the roommates in the home did not realize anything was amiss, whether they were sleeping or up and about on Sunday.

The house (its shape and layout) is really is odd to me. I just remember that in college and grad school, I didn't often pay too much attention to my roommates' coming and going. It wouldn't surprise me if the perp gained access via the balcony, was hiding in the house, or at some point the door wasn't locked (even for a short time). I'll be interested to hear more about Uber drivers and events earlier on in the night at the bar / party. All IMO. As others have stated, I agree that it's very likely only one person (or two) was targeted that night.

IMO, but I don't think that the fact that 2 people in the house were not murdered is a sufficient reason to say this was a "targeted attack" per LE.

It's all terribly disturbing, especially considering that we know that the four murdered were all very close. Can the same be said or NOT be said about the other roommates? Only time will tell.
The balcony seems pretty suspect to me as well.

 

[technicallymissing]

I keep thinking about Kaylee's dog, Murphy. I really wish one of the reporters had asked about him. Seems like the kind of thing that has a decent likelihood of getting a straight answer. "Was there a dog in the house, y/n" and then of course possibly "Was the dog also killed, y/n". It's a horrible thought but if he was I could see that possibly indicating something to LE.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Or a roommate that fell through. Most student housing is based on full occupancy.

So if there were 2 surviving people in the house (called 'roommates' by LE in the presser), and yet the officer speaking stumbled over 'how many?', and said "<stutter> believe 2". I don't think we really know whether it was 2 roommates or one roomate + a romantic partner.

Wasn't there a photo of all of the roommates on social media? I'll have to look back at that photo.
In the meantime I just want to pass along my extreme condolences to the survivors, who will be traumatized for a long time to come.

Yes, the photo on social is what I was referring to. There were 5 girls introduced as roommates. As far as I know, these were the only girls living in the house.

The additional bedroom could have been a roommate who fell through. But also, do we know it was actual student housing and not just 5 friends who decided to rent a house together? That's what my friends and I did for part of college.

 

[Lusitana]

It has been reported that many students have been leaving since the news about the murders came out, so I do worry whoever did this also left and nobody suspected since so many students are leaving.

 

[FruitTingles]

Going to repost the photo’s of the house I posted toward the end of the last thread just for reference:

View from back of the house per real estate:



We know the house has 3 floors as per otto’s photo from the last thread. The listing describes the house as “Ideal set up for roommates with 2 beds / 1 bath on each level.”
With a balcony/deck on the third floor as seen in 1/2 photo’s posted above.


Also posted below is photo’s of the sliding door going out to the second floor outdoor area:

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Trulia

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 is a 3,120 sqft, 6 bed, 3 bath home. See the estimate, review home details, and search for homes nearby.

www.trulia.com

 

[Pipsissiway_Potts]

Chilling video shows Idaho students at HOURS before they were killed

The video shows Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves stumbling towards the desk, ordering a plate of carbonara pasta, and waiting 10 minutes on Saturday night or early on Sunday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This link has the name of the food truck. It appears to be at a stationary location. (Meaning it doesn't pop up in different places.)

Outside the Garden Lounge. Okay, it is south Main. Closer to 3rd, which bisects south and north main street.
The Garden Lounge
Moscow Downtown is very pedestrian friendly, so there is a lot of foot traffic, and many people walk everywhere.

 

[isabella88]

Going to repost the photo’s of the house I posted toward the end of the last thread just for reference:

View from back of the house per real estate:

View attachment 380313

We know the house has 3 floors as per otto’s photo from the last thread. The listing describes the house as “Ideal set up for roommates with 2 beds / 1 bath on each level.”
With a balcony/deck on the third floor as seen in 1/2 photo’s posted above.


Also posted below is photo’s of the sliding door going out to the second floor outdoor area:
View attachment 380316

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Trulia

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 is a 3,120 sqft, 6 bed, 3 bath home. See the estimate, review home details, and search for homes nearby.

www.trulia.com

I would love to know how many out of those "6 bedrooms" were actually liveable. That would impact where any of the victims or other roommates could have been during the attack.

 

[InternetGhost91]

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Google Maps

From video

oh wow. that photo of the house from the side is helpful. thank you!

 

[Star_crossed]

If they were on foot that means that they did not follow the Uber and in fact already knew where the girls were located . The houses are so close I can’t imagine someone trying to brazenly walk out covered in blood and get in a car and drive off but I’m not sure