ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

[acutename]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but here’s an inside view of his family home in Albrightsville. It’s very modest. Last sold in 2014.

119 Lamsden Dr, Albrightsville, PA 18210 | realtor.com®

View 36 photos for 119 Lamsden Dr, Albrightsville, PA 18210, a 3 bed, 2 bath, 1,332 Sq. Ft. single family home built in 1991 that was last sold on 11/25/2014.

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sliding door

 

[Bree1950]

LE must have really worked it & left no stone unturned on that list of 22,000 White Elantras to find BK drove one, when according to this article, he doesn't even have a car registered in his name:

"Moscow Police and prosecutors won't reveal what tip led them to Bryan Christopher Kohberger as the prime suspect in the murders of four Idaho University students six weeks ago, but the mysterious white Elantra seen near the crime scene may have been critical.

Friday, Moscow Police Chief James Fry confirmed a white Hyundai Elantra was seized in Pennsylvania, where the FBI and state police SWAT teams arrested Kohberger early Friday morning.

Retired Special Agent John MacVeigh told investigative reporter Terri Parker that Kohberger does not have a vehicle registered in his name and no criminal history, meaning while police were running DNA and fingerprint checks from the crime scene on the national database, Kohberger would not have shown up as a match."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger has no criminal history, no car registered in own name

WOW! That’s interesting! I thought the car assisted in finding him, but wondering if it was registered to parents and then LE saw him as a son and figured out he was in Pullman OR he registered the car to be able to park around campus? It certainly made him harder to find and was most likely part of his plan. I’m thinking once he arrived home in PA, he felt he had gotten away with his crime.

 

[Lyanna]

Can't believe the change in thread title - is amazing to see!

Back I go to catch up.

 

[Sarahlou]

That's the kind of thing Wayne Couzen's mother-in-law said about him too but he was proven guilty. She was quoted on the Sarah Everard threads but I can't find where.

It's a pretty common response I think. Most people will never think someone they know is capable of such a brutal killing(s)

 

[Bree1950]

I’m a professor (not in criminology but in sociology) but I also work in research ethics, and my mouth hit the floor reading his survey questions, posted back in thread #40.

I don’t know how this survey made it through ethical review. It’s just phrased very ‘oddly’, more as someone looking for advice or gory details rather than data, if that makes sense. The questions are really leading in a strange way. At my university, something like this would definitely not have been approved, especially for a student in their first year of a PhD with very little training, as it’s very ethically borderline.

Where I work, we have specific training in how to identify students who may be a risk to themselves or others. This is usually in relation to terrorism or cults, but I can’t imagine his research advisers didn’t notice something that they thought should be flagged up, but didn’t act quick enough in this first semester.

That questionnaire was NOT in his PhD program - it was from DeSalles when he was getting his Masters. All links to the questions have the DeSalles link to answer questions.

 

[Sandy007]

sliding door

The house is small and modest. Appears that ye was not from rich family, but he studied in private college. PhD programmes also are not cheap. How did he pay for his studies?

 

[Bree1950]

Yeah, the questions in his survey would not have been ethically approved at my university either. Not a chance. Even the way the questions are phrased are almost leading the participant to give the answers that he wants imo, perhaps to confirm a preconceived notion/thoughts he has.

This was from his Masters program in PA. I’m trying to find the link.

 

[BrownRice]

Yep. Work in a middle school. Everyone is finger printed, even the bus drivers.

I think it depends on the state. My school corp didn’t fingerprint. Only background and drug test.

 

[annpats]

How did he know the victims????

Through friends of friends of friends? He was also a student, but at WSU and lived in Pullman, the next town over.
There must be been some mingling of these people at some point.

Maybe he wasn't invited by someone to a house party at the King Road house once, and he didn't like them...?? And the hatred spun out of control...?

MOO.

 

[cottonweaver]

While living at WSU's Steptoe Apartments


'A neighbor told DailyMail.com exclusively that Kohberger had only moved to the Steptoe Village apartment complex at the start of the semester, about two months ago.

'I didn't really know him, we just said hi,' said the neighbor, who wished not to be named. 'Sometimes he would make loud noises late at night - at 1, 2am. Like he was cleaning - vacuuming or something.'
The neighbor said they complained to the property management about the noise.

'He hasn't been here for a while - we haven't heard any noise upstairs for around two, three weeks. I just thought he left for the holidays. We had no idea about what happened - I just saw it on the news this morning like everyone else,' they added.'

Police raid office of Bryan Kohberger, Idaho murders suspect

Bryan Kohberger, 28, has been arrested in connection to the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[kbckcern22]

Through friends of friends of friends? He was also a student, but at WSU and lived in Pullman, the next town over.
There must be been some mingling of these people at some point.

Maybe he wasn't invited by someone to a house party at the King Road house once, and he didn't like them...?? And the hatred spun out of control...?

MOO.

I think he was just a weirdo lunatic. Maybe crossed paths with X & M at their place of employment but other than that, I can’t see him having too many ties with the victims or their circles! IMO

 

[Kristin Esq.]

I'm sure this has been posted, and discussed, but this thread moves so fast!

A grad student at a nearby school is arrested in the killings of four University of Idaho students | CNN

A graduate student at Washington State University was arrested Friday in his home state of Pennsylvania in last month's killings of four University of Idaho students in their off-campus home -- a brutal attack that rattled a small college town, authorities said.

www.cnn.com

Sounds like the PD's methods of going slow to not make an error worked out well for them. Being able to get DNA!!!!! I know we have to wait to for him to get to Idaho, be presented with the complaint and get into court, but I really want to read the warrant. Sounds like they are making a strong case against him.

 

[annpats]

Yep. Work in a middle school. Everyone is finger printed, even the bus drivers.

Oh my!!! Is that really a thing in the USA?

I'm sure a lot of people don't like that. We may as well all submit our fingerprints to the police when we turn 18 and be done with it.

I do see that the US Constitution doesn't have a 'right to privacy' unlike the 'right to free speech' and the 'right to bear arms'.

I'm not criticism, just surprise.

MOO.

 

[Bree1950]

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When I saw the distance he covered the first thing I thought was that he didn't expect to be in the crosshairs being that far away. If it had been left to local PD with no FBI intervention I really doubt he'd have been caught and likely what he thought to. If he planned to just kill 1 or 2 would we have seen the international news we did and would the FBI have become involved?

I think this was not his first time and this was a miscalculation on his part resulting in a lot more attention than he thought he would get and he simply wasn't prepared for.


Regarding genealogical DNA, people like him will never stop, but it may deter some knowing they have family members in a database that can be traced right back to them.

I agree! I think he purposely picked Moscow over Pullman due to WA being a larger State and he thought may call in LE from Seattle to assist with the investigation. I feel he had no idea Idaho would call in the FBI!

 

[annpats]

I think he was just a weirdo lunatic. Maybe crossed paths with X & M at their place of employment but other than that, I can’t see him having too many ties with the victims or their circles! IMO

I hear ya. I do wonder if he was invited out somewhere by a fellow student and crossed their paths somewhere. Perhaps he did visit the house at a party once?

Is there much cross-campus social activity between University of Idaho at Moscow and WSU at Pullman? Do they visit each others town to party and socialise much?

 

[drmrgrl]

The part where the female student says BK hung around the library for 2 weeks asking people to do a survey about empathy ( like what would make them want to help another person) reminds me of how Ted Bundy would wear a sling on his arm or a fake cast on his leg and used crutches to charm/disarm women to help him. So creepy imho.

IMO,there is a difference between empathy and altruism.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I think he was just a weirdo lunatic. Maybe crossed paths with X & M at their place of employment but other than that, I can’t see him having too many ties with the victims or their circles! IMO

He was 28 and looks old enough to be these kid's fathers. I feel like he would have been very out of place in the group of younger 20-somethings partying together.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

He had to get that car out of Pullman and back to mommys house 1200 mile away. It was mommys car

"Kohberger was a Ph.D. student with the Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology at Washington State University — and lives on campus in Pullman, just eight miles from the off-campus home in Moscow where the four students were stabbed to death last month."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger has no criminal history, no car registered in own name

Retired FBI agent says agents likely surveilled Kohberger following credible tip.

www.wpbf.com

 

[Mimi in London]

LE must have really worked it & left no stone unturned on that list of 22,000 White Elantras to find BK drove one, when according to this article, he doesn't even have a car registered in his name:

"Moscow Police and prosecutors won't reveal what tip led them to Bryan Christopher Kohberger as the prime suspect in the murders of four Idaho University students six weeks ago, but the mysterious white Elantra seen near the crime scene may have been critical.

Friday, Moscow Police Chief James Fry confirmed a white Hyundai Elantra was seized in Pennsylvania, where the FBI and state police SWAT teams arrested Kohberger early Friday morning.

Retired Special Agent John MacVeigh told investigative reporter Terri Parker that Kohberger does not have a vehicle registered in his name and no criminal history, meaning while police were running DNA and fingerprint checks from the crime scene on the national database, Kohberger would not have shown up as a match."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger has no criminal history, no car registered in own name

Re the Elantra not being registered to the suspect, and questions that have been raised about occupants (plural) of the car that night.

Does anyone remember, very early on in the discussions here (thead 1 probably), a poster saying their kid/s were at UoW Pullman and that 11-13 Nov was parent/family weekend? They said something about Pullman and Moscow being busy that weekend, with hotels/accommodation booked-up. I think they may have said they were there.

https://family.wsu.edu/family-weekends/

 

[BrownRice]

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We have a non-blood ex-relative (an aunt who used to be a part of the family via marriage but is now divorced) quoted in the news as saying he was OCD about being vegan. That’s it as far as anything remotely related to his mental health, right? Or is there something I’m missing?

AND we don’t know when this “OCD” was taking place (when he was 15, last year, last month …???) - plus, was he really diagnosed with OCD or was the aunt just using that term casually (which is really common)? And how well did this ex-aunt know him in the first place?

99.9% of the time when people use the term OCD they just mean “extreme.” I’d hope by 2023 people would stop using “OCD” in passing. It’s a medical diagnosis. And this former aunt by marriage seems like she just wants her 15 mins.