ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 11

[Kaykedi]

That just seems so risky. If he's inside waiting, how's he to know that they aren't bringing girlfriends who in turn are bringing their boyfriends to the house? He has no way for sure to know that. Then he's stuck in an untenable situation.

Unless he/they knew that just the two girls were returning home in a cab without any other girlfriends with them?

 

[Miriel Pastor of Vows]

Thankful for the hard work of the FBI and local law enforcement today. They will be successful and justice will be served.

 

[remilo]

Good observation.
Possibly different management style

If he didn't lock the door, then how do you explain the surviving roommates describing them as "unconscious". There is no possible way if they had visual contact with any of the victims that they would have thought they were just unconscious. MOO.

MOO is that one of the victims was blocking the door. So when a roommate tried to open it they could barely get it open enough to see someone “passed out.”

 

[Friday Fan]

911 Caller: "Help! I think my roommate is dead"
Dispatch: "What makes you think this?"
Caller: Provides details..such as there is blood everywhere
Dispatch: "Can you perform CPR?"
Caller ( hysterical): "No!! Come quick!!"
Dispatch to first responders: "We have a report of an unconscious individual at xxxx address"

 

[Which_pancake]

Do we know what outlet was the original source for the "dripping blood" photo?

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[truthseeker2022]

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I think the killer/killers are individuals with above average intelligence. To evade detection this long points to the ability of masking ones trail. Maybe this wasn't the first time that the killer/killers have carried out an act of violence. This type of evasion seems to come with experience.

 

[Tomagachi]

@unwitting_psychic I agree with your assessment. I may be wrong, but this looks like it was more than a random psychopath. The fact that there was no sexual assault on any of the victims is a key element here.

I do find it odd, my only thought is that at least one of them has a fair amount of very relevant information that is pertinent to the case but LE don’t want it publicly known. I have suspected that at least one roommate actually heard something happen and was scared for her life and possibly wasn’t able to reach out for help. Maybe one of the surviving roommates passed out in fear and that’s why the 911 call says “unconscious individual”? Quite possible and why LE initially were so confident they would be able to find the suspect but as time has gone on they haven’t gotten as much physical evidence connected to the suspect as they would’ve thought.

My thought too

 

[drmrgrl]

Do you think the sudden dark afternoons and clocks going back can potentially bring on a sort of psychosis of sorts in people predisposed to that behaviour? Does it push them over the edge?

The increasing darkness often causes Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) and people predisposed to depression often report that their symptoms get worse in the fall/winter

 

[KonaHonu]

That is up to the state. I am previous LE and you are allowed to dismiss EMS when death is readily apparent and obvious. Granted that applies to my States laws, unsure of Idaho statutes.

EDIT : Idaho Statutes do not require EMS to declare death.

Section 19-4301A – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

Section 19-4301 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

Thanks for finding those but I don't see where those address who can declare death.

Most jurisdictions have guidelines to follow. This is a link to an example from Clark County Nevada. https://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/ems/documents/forms/prehospital-death-determination.pdf

I could not find anything for anywhere in Idaho.

I don't disagree with you about LE authority in some locations but "death is readily apparent and obvious" is based on objective observations as outlined in the link above. I believe the "obvious signs of death" and the "conclusive signs of death" listed in that document were established by the NHTSA which provides guideline for the national EMS system although states are not obligated to follow them but most do. The DOT does oversee (as opposed to providing guidelines) for the national 911 system.

 

[Kaykedi]

This interview was BS

Why do you say that this interview was bs? Thank you

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Really insightful interview. At the end, the sister uses the word about perp as "they", which is interesting. At the beginning, the mom whispers to sister "got to get it right. don't get mad". For as close as the girls all seemed, they had little to nothing to say about the surviving friends. They also had little to say about E and X. It was very stoic concerning E, X and surviving roommates. The interview seems like they were trying to draw someone out and emphasized that they are not working with police.

They have a different timeline and they seem to be saying E and X were home 15mins before the girls and phone calls until 3am. Maybe LE is fudging the timeline and not divulging that info for a reason.

Also, mom says isolated, targeted attack.

 

[CaliSun]

Thanks for asking this, I saw a glimpse of that too and very curious about that.

I learned how to do it today after reading about it in another forum linked to this case. A little shocked how often my own name was searched, it is an uncommon name. It shows the dates and number of searches. It “spiked” at times and most likely linked to commenting on FB news articles, meeting new group of people etc. Play around with it, kinda floored by it all to be honest. It is Google trends. Any name or address or really anything!

Google Trends

trends.google.com

 

[seasideForest]

Do we know what outlet was the original source for the "dripping blood" photo?

Edited for spelling

Daily Mail probably. But you could check the media thread yourself!

 

[MoveToTheBeat]

This photo taken into Kaylee's room, I have framed it in yellow, what may that be?
One can see two pillows in the bed but not much more. The lights are on the floor, could there been a brief struggle?

 

[AneutherSleuther]

Could it be possible that someone staying over (in surviving housemate’s room) was the one who first saw the ‘unconscious person’ and used her phone to call 911. This same person may or may not have been the perp. The ‘multiple people’ on the 911 call could in fact be 3 or 4 (surviving housemates plus 1 or 2 boyfriends/friends staying over). This might explain not wanting to release the 911 call.
Maybe a one night stand who slipped away in the aftermath. I know it doesn’t make much sense but none of this does. MOO.

 

[drmrgrl]

Really insightful interview. At the end, the sister uses the word about perp as "they", which is interesting. At the beginning, the mom whispers to sister "got to get it right. don't get mad". For as close as the girls all seemed, they had little to nothing to say about the surviving friends. They also had little to say about E and X. It was very stoic concerning E, X and surviving roommates. The interview seems like they were trying to draw someone out and emphasized that they are not working with police.

This makes me wonder if Kaylees family might have an idea of who did this in the back of their minds.

 

[Gina20]

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Someone was harassing people on Deakin. That matters. It also matters if the arboretum is a place where the homeless and drug users hang out. Bizarre behavior, drugs, homelessness so close to the crime scene might be important.

 

[rahod1]

Don't know if this has already been posted:

Idaho student murders may be linked to stabbing a year earlier and 400 miles away, police reveal

 

[newredtabby]

I am interested in the blood, I.e., dripping or not down the wall.
I don’t know much about roofing, but could the roofers have splashed something against the wall?

What difference do you believe it makes to the case?

 

[YaYa_521]

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ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

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