ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 19

[femto]

We don’t, I’m speculating but if the hand did slip down the blade, it would have made killing the 4 much more difficult. (I seen terrorists before who had literally taped their knives to their hands because stabbing multiple people without losing control of the knife would usually require something to keep the knife in place.) imo

I find the blade slipping next to impossible if he was actually using a ka-bar knife. The handle itself is specifically made to block your hand from getting anywhere near the blade itself.

 

[Tellyties]

@Sunny Texas posted this at the end of the last thread but I know people skip threads/maybe don’t read the end of them so I thought it was important to share again. Kaylee’s obituary.

“She came into the world surrounded by family and love and left the same way, with her chosen sister, Maddie Mogen, by her side.”

Kaylee Jade Goncalves, 21

Kaylee Jade Goncalves was born in Concord California on June 8th 2001. She left this earth for one final adventure on November 13th, 2022.

cdapress.com

I noticed it said she was the middle child of 5, but it only lists 3 of the 4 siblings names in the obit. I wonder why?

 

[Missyrocks5]

This tracks very much with my original thoughts that, IMO, info was found on the phone or between SM accounts that point to a threat or a person but they don’t yet know who the SM account owner is.

Would also track in showing that why they don’t know if it was a person(s) that was targeted, or the house. Could have been a general threat or statement between SM accounts - for example: some incel type attacking/threatening language about women in general - which would speak more to the house being targeted.

OR it could be LE setting SG up to speak this way, so that the killer feels more comfortable after his statements yesterday - which could have spooked the killer.

Good thoughts. I’ve seen a number of threads on that interview SG did yesterday. I‘m leaning a lot more with the last paragraph of your post. I think he said a lot and maybe they’re trying to walk it back some so as to not let the killer know they suspect. I can literally change my mind every day on this as to who it sounds like, but it sure seemed like he was very angry yesterday and I took that as a real betrayal of someone close. and then that put me back to very early on when K’s mother vociferously defended an ex to the point that I was wondering was it too over the top of a defense. That caused me to say, if it was my child and I suspected something, I would absolutely say that there is no way it was that person so as to keep them in the fold. To observe them. The bottomline is that every day we get different information and statements do a 180. I think anyone could make the argument for anyone at this point because of that. I also think that it’s good in the sense of the last thing you want to do is alert the killer, which with some of these, I think he would be spooked, as you said.

 

[TwoBlueJays]

If there is a sixth roommate, given that the housemates are all women, I would assume that any additional renter would also be female. And the energy and focus it would take to kill four people consecutively, three of whom you lived with, just doesn't strike me as something a college age girl would do. moo

 

[sds71]

They are all listed

Alivea Stevenson, Steven Goncalves, Autumn Goncalves and Aubrie Goncalves,

Kaylee Jade Goncalves, 21

Kaylee Jade Goncalves was born in Concord California on June 8th 2001. She left this earth for one final adventure on November 13th, 2022.

cdapress.com

 

[acutename]

The only mention about bruising I remember is what Xana's father said, that her flesh was bruised, torn by knife, nothing though was said about the bruising coming from the hilt. Can you point me to the article/interview/whatever in which the coroner mentioned the impact bruising from the hilt?

""When you talk about a knife such as a Ka-Bar, which is a military-style knife, any of those fixed-blade knives that are large, serrated, double-edged," O'Connor said. "They're going to leave a certain type of entry wound in the body and the medical examiner's office will be able to tell you if it was a double-edged knife just by the entry. Different types of cuts will be specific to different types of knives."

How police can use the Idaho murder weapon to track down the killer

Police have yet to identify a suspect or find the weapon used to kill four University of Idaho students.

www.newsweek.com

more in the article though this is from a knife seller and a former FBI agent, not directly from local LE or the ME. Supposedly the K Bar has one serrated edge and one smooth one. Nothing exactly says that the killer was or was not wounded after 4 victims.

 

[Windsorite]

I noticed it said she was the middle child of 5, but it only lists 3 of the 4 siblings names in the obit. I wonder why?

Alivea Stevenson is the fourth sibling, she's done several interviews.

 

[Sandy007]

Blood-soaked Idaho crime scene 'major challenge' for investigators, expert says

The blood-soaked crime scene where four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered more than one week ago is a "major challenge" for investigators, an expert told Fox News Digital.

www.fox2detroit.com

It is buried in the article. The coroner is quoted for one thing, and then others ("experts") discuss what the coroner said which is not directly quoted in the article. The discussion refers back to what the coroner released. It was early in the timeline.

This is a perfect example of inference. The discussion refers back to something that was stated clearly by an authority, but by the time the public gets the information we have to infer through what is discussed by the media. I wish they'd have quoted the public authority more deliberately for clarity.

I found this link, the first image shows stab wound made by k bar knife; the red mark next to the wound is the hilt mark left by the knife's hilt which is effectively a bar across the blade dividing blade from the handle. The blade, hilt, handle a made from one piece of steel, as opposite of parts being assembled together. That is why k bar knife is considered to be robust and powerful weapon

Knife wounds: Patterns - Godoy Medical Forensics

A knife wound can have a distinct patterns. What can be learned is directionality, force, blade width, and depth. #knifewounds, #sharptrauma, #stabbing,

godoymedical.net

 

[EJB123456]

Good thoughts. I’ve seen a number of threads on that interview SG did yesterday. I‘m leaning a lot more with the last paragraph of your post. I think he said a lot and maybe they’re trying to walk it back some so as to not let the killer know they suspect. I can literally change my mind every day on this as to who it sounds like, but it sure seemed like he was very angry yesterday and I took that as a real betrayal of someone close. and then that put me back to very early on when K’s mother vociferously defended an ex to the point that I was wondering was it too over the top of a defense. That caused me to say, if it was my child and I suspected something, I would absolutely say that there is no way it was that person so as to keep them in the fold. To observe them. The bottomline is that every day we get different information and statements do a 180. I think anyone could make the argument for anyone at this point because of that. I also think that it’s good in the sense of the last thing you want to do is alert the killer, which with some of these, I think he would be spooked, as you said.

I was feeling the same after the interview with SG yesterday as well. But as a mother of a college student, there is no way, absolutely *NO WAY* I would then mention a person I suspected to be the perpetrator in the obituary that will forever memorialize my child. (Edited for clarity of thought).

My brain does a 180 every day.

 

[Cryptic]

He said that a knife like that could cost several hundred $$$

I think an important part of your friend's statement is "could" cost.

Increased price can imply rarity and reduce the number of sources as to where such a knife could be obtained. This, in turn, could make local purchases easier to track.

And now, the "could"... Many knives in general, and Ka Bar / Ka Bar like knives in particular can be said to have four general levels:

1. Inexpensive knock off
2. Mid range production
3. Higher end production (usually better fit / finish and better steel than the mid range model. As with say, woman's purses, slapping a prestige brand name on it also increases the cost).
4. Custom made by a knife smith.

In referencing say, the $300.00 possibility, your friend was probably referring to level 3. Purchases of these would be relatively easier to trace as there are fewer manufacturers and also fewer purchasers.

But.... there are alot of mid range Ka Bars, including the "Ka Bar by Ka Bar" variant going for $90.00. I imagine that there would be far more purchasers and thus harder to track.

 

[layer]

Alivea Stevenson is the fourth sibling, she's done several interviews.

And she has done a lot of digging too, she's great!

 

[Rosiebones]

If there was difficulty with a sixth roommate, that could be the basis of the comment that the house or individuals were targeted. MOO MOO MOO

 

[schrade09]

Former leasing pro here, and I do have experience with student housing. All tenants on a student housing lease generally have to have a co-signer. Sometimes, every individual needs their own co-signer. I've seen it go both ways. Someone can move out if they want to without being forced out with no repercussions EXCEPT that they need to continue to pay their share of the rent until the term of the lease is completed. Every tenant is responsible jointly AND severally, meaning that even if someone skips out, the rent is due in full. Roommates can and have, IME, been crappy to roommates in more ways than I could even begin to name-but my point is that someone doesn't have to leave under bad circumstances to break a lease. If there is a 6th roomie, I'd be very curious to know why they weren't there that particular night. Might be something, might be nothing. We'll see! MOO, JMO.

the 6th roommate could have also been in the same situation K was, about to graduate and already moved out....

 

[Missyrocks5]

I was feeling the same after the interview with SG yesterday as well. But as a mother of a college student, there is no way, absolutely *NO WAY* I would then mention a person I suspected to be the perpetrator in the obituary that will forever memorialize my child. (Edited for clarity of thought).

My brain does a 180 every day.

True. I agree. And yes, a 180 every day!

 

[Shamrock1]

The sixth roommate doesn’t strike me as unusual. It could be someone who lives with a boyfriend/girlfriend, who graduated early, or who decided to vacate and simply opted to continue paying to avoid legal issues. Some students need an “on paper” residence if their parents disapprove of, say, residing with a boyfriend/girlfriend, and paying until the lease ends isn’t particularly uncommon.

 

[Emerald1328]

As mentioned in the obituaries, Real Life Ministries in Post Falls is having a service for all 4 today at 11am EST. It can be joined virtually. Here is their webpage with the info:

U of I Student Memorial Page | Real Life Ministries

www.reallifeministries.com

Quoting myself. It’s at 11 PST.

 

[Sandy007]

I think an important part of your friend's statement is "could" cost.

Increased price can imply rarity and reduce the number of sources as to where such a knife could be obtained. This, in turn, could make local purchases easier to track.

And now, the "could"... Many knives in general, and Ka Bar / Ka Bar like knives in particular can be said to have four general levels:

1. Inexpensive knock off
2. Mid range production
3. Higher end production (usually better fit / finish and better steel than the mid range model. As with say, woman's purses, slapping a prestige brand name on it also increases the cost).
4. Custom made by a knife smith.

In referencing say, the $300.00 possibility, your friend was probably referring to level 3. Purchases of these would be slightly easier to trace as there are fewer manufacturers and also fewer purchasers.

But.... there are alot of mid range Ka Bars, including the Ka Bar by Ka Bar variant going for $90.00. I imagine that there would be far more purchasers and thus harder to track.

Great input! I have not thought of that side of the matter.

 

[ellabella]

The sixth roommate doesn’t strike me as unusual. It could be someone who lives with a boyfriend/girlfriend, who graduated early, or who decided to vacate and simply opted to continue paying to avoid legal issues. Some students need an “on paper” residence if their parents disapprove of, say, residing with a boyfriend/girlfriend, and paying until the lease ends isn’t particularly uncommon.

agreed. I don't find the additional person on the lease but not apparently living there suspicious at all, having been and knowing college kids.

 

[Sandy007]

agreed. I don't find the additional person on the lease but not apparently living there suspicious at all, having been and knowing college kids.

With discovery of 6th person, will the whole DNA elimination process have to be rerun at least on some level or not?

 

[wtrbrdm]

@Cryptic

Agreed... I know something like this was posted threads ago (price comparison).....but these go from say $11 to $900

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