ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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[Sillybilly]

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[YaYa_521]

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[nightowl2728]

Is there a way to see the admin update posts? I missed an entire thread from yesterday afternoon to today lol.

Also not sure if Moscow is this way, but a lot of smaller rural/hunting communities, most men (usually men) know what type of guns/knives/weapons people have. It's kind of a hobby thing. So the fact that no one has come forward to mention that they know someone (or someone's grandkid, etc.) that has that type of knife leads me to believe they're not a hunter. Unless obviously such tips have come in that LE are not releasing yet.

Last thought - if the perp was someone that was part of the campus or Moscow community (whether a student, person who worked in the area), it seems like they would have enough info to ID them. This was my first thought, that it was someone they knew or knew of them in the community. But bringing in the FBI and not appearing to have any leads me to think it's more of a random/transient/serial type. But it will be interesting to hear the next presser tomorrow.

 

[NickoD]

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Also not sure if Moscow is this way, but a lot of smaller rural/hunting communities, most men (usually men) know what type of guns/knives/weapons people have. It's kind of a hobby thing. So the fact that no one has come forward to mention that they know someone (or someone's grandkid, etc.) that has that type of knife leads me to believe they're not a hunter. Unless obviously such tips have come in that LE are not releasing yet.
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I live in rural Idaho and I am not sure I would go as far as to say "oh, I totally know what guns my neighbors have" which would be all kinds of scary IMHO but I would certainly say with confidence that there are a LOT of fixed blade knives since it's a useful tool to have. For example, I carry a Gerber StrongArm.

 

[nightowl2728]

I live in rural Idaho and I am not sure I would go as far as to say "oh, I totally know what guns my neighbors have" which would be all kinds of scary IMHO but I would certainly say with confidence that there are a LOT of fixed blade knives since it's a useful tool to have. For example, I carry a Gerber StrongArm.

Ok, that's good to know! Most of the men my dad has hunted with over the years, they know what each other has. I think someone mentioned in the thread that the specific type of knife that is suspected to have been used in the murders is more of a "collectors"/pass-down type item, less in use now. So I thought it might be more likely that someone in that sort of community would know about it.

 

[EM152]

Regarding the 911 call, It's very possible that one roommate was frantically calling a friend from her phone, perhaps someone across the street at Sigma Chi, while simultaneously the other roommate called 911 from her phone. Since the fraternity was right by the house someone could run over and get there before the police arrived.

 

[spitzer]

I think the killer counted on this house of young college women not having a firearm, for sure.

 

[nightowl2728]

Regarding the 911 call, It's very possible that one roommate was frantically calling a friend from her phone, perhaps someone across the street at Sigma Chi, while simultaneously the other roommate called 911 from her phone. Since the fraternity was right by the house someone could run over and get there before the police arrived.

That makes sense! Speaking from personal experience, I called the cops one time at a party when someone was threatening others physically, but was given some crap after because it was not the type of setting you would want cops at, for various reasons I won't name here lol. So given the nature of a "college party house" may have not been first instinct to call the cops when something looks like it has gone awry, especially on a weekend.

 

[Bliss_Perth]

This might haver been posted before and i missed it. This is a picture of inside the Corner club for anyone who hasn't seen it. You can see 2 cameras above the TV.

 

[positive]

Also not sure if Moscow is this way, but a lot of smaller rural/hunting communities, most men (usually men) know what type of guns/knives/weapons people have. It's kind of a hobby thing. So the fact that no one has come forward to mention that they know someone (or someone's grandkid, etc.) that has that type of knife leads me to believe they're not a hunter. Unless obviously such tips have come in that LE are not releasing yet.

I live in a rural area not in Idaho. In my area we dont really share much info on our guns. We may have a conversation about guns, mention one or two we have in passing. I know my neighbors have guns because I hear them shooting. As far as what knives any of us have thats never come up with anyone I talked with. Lived at the same address for 10+ years. I am not saying Moscow Idaho is like where I live. JMO

 

[Arkay]

This might haver been posted before and i missed it. This is a picture of inside the Corner club for anyone who hasn't seen it. You can see 2 cameras above the TV.

Interesting.

The clientele does not appear to be collegiate.

Maybe late at night it's a different story? Otherwise I wonder why this would be their bar of choice.

Jmo

 

[NickoD]

Ok, that's good to know! I think someone mentioned in the thread that the specific type of knife that is suspected to have been used in the murders is more of a "collectors"/pass-down type item, less in use now. So I thought it might be more likely that someone in that sort of community would know about it.

In my view, a ridiculous amount of noise was made about the KABAR. People were going wild with speculation that the killer was some type of USMC vet while ignoring that you can buy the knife on Amazon for $90. There's really nothing special about it, it's just a well-made knife.

And by the way, I also don't believe that they can somehow tell the maker of a knife from the wound profile. Fixed blade? Sure. But determining the difference between a KABAR or a Cold Steel? Color me full of doubt about that one.

The KABAR issue was interesting only from the perspective that they might have KNOWN it was probably that maker. As in, they might have had some testimony from someone saying "well I saw this suspect person carrying around a KABAR knife around".

MOO

 

[drmrgrl]

There had to be a triggering event. An unpleasant interaction, somebody getting a citation, somebody getting in trouble, someone who thought they were important getting blown off, something…something triggered this horrific crime

 

[ShadyLady]

Is there a way to see the admin update posts? I missed an entire thread from yesterday afternoon to today lol.

Also not sure if Moscow is this way, but a lot of smaller rural/hunting communities, most men (usually men) know what type of guns/knives/weapons people have. It's kind of a hobby thing. So the fact that no one has come forward to mention that they know someone (or someone's grandkid, etc.) that has that type of knife leads me to believe they're not a hunter. Unless obviously such tips have come in that LE are not releasing yet.

Last thought - if the perp was someone that was part of the campus or Moscow community (whether a student, person who worked in the area), it seems like they would have enough info to ID them. This was my first thought, that it was someone they knew or knew of them in the community. But bringing in the FBI and not appearing to have any leads me to think it's more of a random/transient/serial type. But it will be interesting to hear the next presser tomorrow.

From past experience with FBI...they have better resources regarding DNA analysis, and better search dogs, too. Also, aren't they better equipped to go state to state? And profiling perps.

To me it means Moscow is serious about cuffing this perp.

 

[willyengland]

I think nobody can know which knife specifically was used.
Kabar was probably just used by someone as an example of what kind, what type probably was used, a strong, large combat kind of knife.

 

[Parsnip]

In my view, a ridiculous amount of noise was made about the KABAR. People were going wild with speculation that the killer was some type of USMC vet while ignoring that you can buy the knife on Amazon for $90. There's really nothing special about it, it's just a well-made knife.

And by the way, I also don't believe that they can somehow tell the maker of a knife from the wound profile. Fixed blade? Sure. But determining the difference between a KABAR or a Cold Steel? Color me full of doubt about that one.

The KABAR issue was interesting only from the perspective that they might have KNOWN it was probably that maker. As in, they might have had some testimony from someone saying "well I saw this suspect person carrying around a KABAR knife around".

MOO

Does the K Bar have any special markings or maybe design of the hilt itself that might transfer to the victims?