ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

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  1. Mountaingazer

    Mountaingazer Well-Known Member

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    I am glad they are finally doing the poly's, I wish they had done them sooner!
     
  2. desert-blue

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    There are two people, a grandpa and a great grandpa.

    The grandpa is baby Deorr's paternal grandpa. He has made public statements, however he was NOT the grandpa on the trip. http://www.people.com/article/missing-boy-idaho-grandfather-speaks

    The person on the camping trip is supposedly Mitchell's maternal grandpa (Deorr's great-grandpa). This person has not been identified nor has he made any public comment. From searching online, however, both of whom appear to be Mitchell's grandpas, LM (paternal) and LB (maternal), are deceased. So, it is unclear who this person is.
     
  3. renarde

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    I wish someone would interview the store clerk. I still can't figure out if "filthy" described the bawling child, or the person he was with.
     
  4. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    I really wish they would have put a net across the water at some point, just in case.

    Press Release by Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office 7/20/15
     
  5. slashkiss

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    I'm with you ... I want to know more from the store clerk. Confusing 6pm and 1pm for the sighting also doesn't seem very likely to me and I can't understand why the family would immediately think that?
     
  6. renarde

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    And yes, it would be risky to stop there if one had just abducted a child, but what if this person had no choice? Maybe they were desperately low on gas, and this was the only gas station for a while?
     
  7. teeandcee

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    Quoted from latest press release. In addition to my wild animal theory not being ruled out yet, I'm also surprised they haven't ruled out abduction. It seems like such a remote possibility, but then they know more than I do and not ruling it out doesn't equate to it at the top of their list of possibilities either. I assume in a case like this all all possibilities are considered until the case is solved.
     
  8. 1&2&3

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    Snipped by ME

    Wonder why the family hasn't already been given polygraphs? Usually this is done immediately.

    While the parents stayed at the campsite, the great grandfather and friend did not stay during the search. So they could have been tested already and LE just has not announced it.

    I believe there was one of two things that happened. It was either a miscommunication as to the parents were leaving and her grandfather was to watch DeOrr or her grandfather just took his eyes off the toddler for a few minutes and the little tyke took off, slipped and fell into the creek.
    Either way, no one wants to point a finger of blame at DeOrr's great grandfather.
     
  9. SweetT

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    I would have said What? And made sure that was investigated thoroughly cause that would have alluded to a kidnapping IMO. IDK why they automatically assumed it was a mistake by the clerk and that it was them some 5 hrs earlier. ??? You would have to guess that LE has already confirmed or not if the clerk were accurate or not. As I stated earlier having this issue cleared up would answer a few questions and very easy to find the information etc.
     
  10. steelman

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    If somebody is out walking their dog close to that campsite next week, and stumbles across him, I'm just gonna completely give up on LE when it comes to "exhaustive searches".
     
  11. LayzeeDayzee

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    And what about other campers who would have been out there at that time (of course we still have not been made aware of how many other campers were there)....what if little Deorr climbed into the storage compartment of someone's RV/trailer and fell asleep inside, or got stuck, or fell asleep and owner had no clue and just happened to be leaving the campground that afternoon and did so with little Deorr inside? Some of those storage compartments can be pretty deep.

     
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    True story on how quickly a little one can disappear. Family was at Kings Dominion, I had 3 1/2 yr old in restroom with me. We washed hands, I handed him a paper towel, reached up to get mine, looked down at side where he was standing, and he was gone!! In fact, the packed restroom had emptied out at that second! Freaked out, started calling his name, ran outside to stroller, back inside where now there is no one but housekeeper. She called Security. Ran back outside to meet up with Dad and we are both looking as we wait on Security. This is all just a matter of several minutes.

    There isn't a word to describe what I felt at that time. Plus I was sure my insides were going to fall out from the anxiety tearing me apart, not to mention I was 8 months pregnant in August heat. Security came, asked for description, put it out on the park's radio, and reassured us that no one would get out of the park with a child looking anywhere close to the description. As they escorted us to "Lost Parents" to wait, they told us "we will be back within 20 minutes with your child".

    Lo and behold, 16 minutes later, here comes the initial security man carrying my beautiful child! My child's comment to me "Mommy you were lost" with the biggest smile on his face.

    For parents whose children go missing and there is not that immediate help, I cannot imagine the fear and trauma that envelopes them. After that incident, my heart crumbles with each case where a child is missing when there is not parental involvement! The torture they live through is unbearable!
     
  14. SleuthMom

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    Hope the poly's are done for all 4 and not just the parents.
     
  15. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    How would anyone absolutely rule out stranger abduction anyway? It's pretty hard to prove a negative. It seems very unlikely since the time window seems to be pretty short and it's so desolate and if the family never saw any suspicious strangers or vehicles nearby... But it's pretty hard to rule out that there was certainly no one else. I doubt there are any traffic cameras for miles and miles.

    I wonder if the father saw any traffic when he was out there driving for cell coverage?
     
  16. Cardinal47

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    I'm just about idea'd out too! But, there is always a but, I wonder if they will release results of polys to quiet the folks that are playing the blame game? Seems to me if polys are given and passed it's only to the benefit of little Deorr because when people are kept uninformed they are less likely to help and assist with getting his picture and information about him missing.

    Social media can be a bad or good thing. Beating the drums when a child is missing might help. Fingers crossed.

    I figured they would be ending up. I read somewhere in time ten days is the search time. So that's it folks.

    I was hoping NG would have something on her show but lately it seems she has more misinformation than facts. Sigh...

    The person up thread that said it will be hard to find him in that Camo jacket kind of hit the spot. It will be hard to find the little guy in water wearing something like that.

    I would love to hear what the woman at the store has to say. By now she has to know if the child she saw was Deorr and his father. Their picture has been everywhere. Also how can anybody mix up 1pm and 6pm. Nopers on that one.

    I don't think an abductor would march into a convenience store with his victim but times and people are very strange these days.
     
  17. flourish

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    Because there are so many places, businesses, etc. with "snake river" in the name, IMO. I grew up around there...even wrote a poem for the newspaper about the snake river when I was little. Awww. Search and rescue and snake river are both "S" & "R" so I get how they could get confused. IMHO


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  18. ninij9

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    If I was dad I would put both boots in the creek miles and miles downstream with five volunteers and walk upstream with sticks and search every single nook and cranny a portion at a time literally leave no stone unturned, until I got back to the campsite and then some. That little boy is in the creek, he's just got to be. As far as the polygraphs go, we don't know at what point they were given, just that they were. It could have been within hours of him going missing. I really don't smell foul play with these parents. I'm not sure about Great Gramps and friend because we have been given nothing in regards to them.
    CREEK CREEK CREEK and CREEK.
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  19. flourish

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    The just going to bump this. For clarity. And reminders.


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  20. Jules71

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    So what are all the possible scenarios

    Fell in creek
    Fell in reservoir
    Lost in woods
    Was never at the campground
    Was at the campground but was passed off to someone else during store trip
    Stranger abduction
    Family disappeared him
    Animal carried him off
    Fell out of Dad's truck while napping
    Bigfoot
    Climbed into someones vehicle
    Fell in a hole
    Fell in toilet (which I read in sm were drained/checked)


    If I thought my child was abducted, I would not so easily dismiss a possible sighting (the store at 6 pm, filthy bawling younger blonde with a gentleman and a black truck).

    Where did the other vehicle description come from that was listed on flyers that have been circulating?

    If I were the parents, I would bring in private search groups (as someone else said).

    This child has vanished without a trace it seems. Very sad.



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