Using the numerous released KIC videos and/or press videos, can anyone post even one example, of a fact said in an early statement being changed in a later statement by the same person?
ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #29
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Still catching up... Also, just a warning that I'm recovering from a root canal and posting on pain medication. Hopefully this makes sense!
I want to address the child *advertiser censored* idea. First of all, I agree with Appararition, that Occam's Razor would tell us it was something more like an "accident". I use the word lightly, because I think there was an accident, in the sense that Deorr wasn't meant to die, but there are likely nefarious acts involved. Drinking, abuse, etc. Anyway, from what (very little) I know about child *advertiser censored*, is that to run a ring and be walking free, at least one of those involved, would have to be quite brilliant and sophisticated with their "operation".
I haven't seen any evidence of much intelligence at all out of these people. I think they have simply gotten "lucky". I think it would be close to impossible to even possess some child *advertiser censored*, let alone produce it, and be under investigation without it being discovered by LE in 15 months. I have no doubt these people are evil, and capable of awful things, but I just don't think they could even have a tiny bit of involvement with that stuff, without being caught by now. I also don't believe LE would find evidence of child *advertiser censored* (ugh, I hate typing about this), and keep it under wraps until they have more evidence about Deorr. Law enforcement does not mess around when it comes this stuff. I think one yucky photo, and these idiots would be in jail.
I want to address the child *advertiser censored* idea. First of all, I agree with Appararition, that Occam's Razor would tell us it was something more like an "accident". I use the word lightly, because I think there was an accident, in the sense that Deorr wasn't meant to die, but there are likely nefarious acts involved. Drinking, abuse, etc. Anyway, from what (very little) I know about child *advertiser censored*, is that to run a ring and be walking free, at least one of those involved, would have to be quite brilliant and sophisticated with their "operation".
I haven't seen any evidence of much intelligence at all out of these people. I think they have simply gotten "lucky". I think it would be close to impossible to even possess some child *advertiser censored*, let alone produce it, and be under investigation without it being discovered by LE in 15 months. I have no doubt these people are evil, and capable of awful things, but I just don't think they could even have a tiny bit of involvement with that stuff, without being caught by now. I also don't believe LE would find evidence of child *advertiser censored* (ugh, I hate typing about this), and keep it under wraps until they have more evidence about Deorr. Law enforcement does not mess around when it comes this stuff. I think one yucky photo, and these idiots would be in jail.
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Is this a serious question? The threads are full of them. Someone just listed a few in the last couple of pages.
I think it would be more difficult to pick out anything that hasn't changed in their stories, other than that Deorr is missing.
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Thought provoking question. While one may exist, I can't think of one
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IIRC, V and J said they left Deorr with GGP and went to the creek with IR. IR said that he and J went down, that he thought V and Deorr were following a ways behind him, but looked back and didn't see them coming , they had lagged behind. I guess this isn't what you meant by "the same person" though.
But can anyone post a video in which one of the adults says "x happened" and a later video in which that same adult says "x did not happen"?
Those are good examples of apparent discrepancies between the statements of different individuals, but they are not examples of changes between statements by the same individual.
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Klein has several. You can go over to his FB page. You will need to do your own research.
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If Vernal and Jessica were together the whole time, their stories about what happened that day should be very similar and they're not. Their baby is missing - that's no time for being ambiguous or intentionally vague. Yet, three days after DeOrr disappeared, when Nate asked them to start at the beginning, they failed to mention they had already been camping all night the day before DeOrr disappeared! Wouldn't that be something you'd think to mention to the public, especially when in the SAME exact interview they were suggesting somebody may have kidnapped him???? Hello - if you think a stranger zeroed in on your child and stole him, wouldn't it be crucial to present an accurate time line of your movements and activities prior to said kidnapping? Or would you omit your time of arrival, your stop(s) to get diesel, your stop at the Silver Dollar, etc.? Why would anyone do that when given a chance to let the public know what's going on and how to help find your child???? It's mind-boggling.
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"They're not able to tell the same story twice because they've told so many stories, you know, getting changes in the story all the time," he said.
http://legacy.ktvb.com/story/news/c...parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/\
So far we have this coming from Bowerman as a direct quote and confirmed by Klein. We also have Vilt publicly announcing that they are liars/lied to him. It was previously stated by Bowerman that Bonneville and FBI both both felt the parents were lying about what happened and where the baby was, so it would be interesting to know whether they, too, feel the parents and GGP have changed their stories. We have heard that Isaac's story was the most consistent, which would lead me to believe that if his story was "consistent" - the other three's stories had to have been "inconsistent." Time will tell if/when this ever gets to trial.
"They're not able to tell the same story twice because they've told so many stories, you know, getting changes in the story all the time," he said.
http://legacy.ktvb.com/story/news/c...parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/\
So far we have this coming from Bowerman as a direct quote and confirmed by Klein. We also have Vilt publicly announcing that they are liars/lied to him. It was previously stated by Bowerman that Bonneville and FBI both both felt the parents were lying about what happened and where the baby was, so it would be interesting to know whether they, too, feel the parents and GGP have changed their stories. We have heard that Isaac's story was the most consistent, which would lead me to believe that if his story was "consistent" - the other three's stories had to have been "inconsistent." Time will tell if/when this ever gets to trial.
I knew nothing about polygraphs until looking at this case, but since then I have studied them a little.
In my opinion something like "are you going to tell us the truth in this interview?" is not a "control" question, it is a non-control question.
In my opinion something like "are you going to tell us the truth in this interview?" is not a "control" question, it is a non-control question.
Nate talks to Bowerman about VDK/JMA:
Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, Lemhi County:
"They (VDK/JMA) were the top persons of interest, but I believe they are suspects. (The decision was reached) after an extensive week of interviewing, re-interviewing and an announcement from the FBI that they were being less than truthful on their polygraphs. Plus there are a lot of irregularities and discrepancies in their interviews (so) I felt it was necessary to come forward and say the parents are being less than truthful.
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Bowerman: Our timeline has constantly changed. A lot of small facts things that should be important to them, important in their memory have changed. From who made the decision to do what or who cooked that morning or who took a fishing pole down to the creek just minor changes like that constantly changing.
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Bowerman re: IR
Stephan Rockefeller, EastIdahoNews.com producer: When we spoke with Isaac, he said DeOrr was up there. Has his communication with you guys been questioned?
Bowerman: Hes (IR) probably been more consistent on his story from the very beginning. We havent seen any of the big discrepancies with him.
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/sheriff-i-just-pray-little-deorr-will-be-found/
Sheriff Lynn Bowerman, Lemhi County:
"They (VDK/JMA) were the top persons of interest, but I believe they are suspects. (The decision was reached) after an extensive week of interviewing, re-interviewing and an announcement from the FBI that they were being less than truthful on their polygraphs. Plus there are a lot of irregularities and discrepancies in their interviews (so) I felt it was necessary to come forward and say the parents are being less than truthful.
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Bowerman: Our timeline has constantly changed. A lot of small facts things that should be important to them, important in their memory have changed. From who made the decision to do what or who cooked that morning or who took a fishing pole down to the creek just minor changes like that constantly changing.
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Bowerman re: IR
Stephan Rockefeller, EastIdahoNews.com producer: When we spoke with Isaac, he said DeOrr was up there. Has his communication with you guys been questioned?
Bowerman: Hes (IR) probably been more consistent on his story from the very beginning. We havent seen any of the big discrepancies with him.
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/sheriff-i-just-pray-little-deorr-will-be-found/
Bowerman:
Their statements dont match, and its frustrating because we have absolutely no idea where DeOrr is, Bowerman says. There have been so many inconsistencies that its hard to tell the truth from everything theyve said.
We dont want charge them too early should we find DeOrr and things change
Bowerman is 100 percent positive the child was not abducted
http://fox4kc.com/2016/01/25/missing-boy-deorr-kunz-jr-s-parents-named-as-suspects-in-disappearance/
Their statements dont match, and its frustrating because we have absolutely no idea where DeOrr is, Bowerman says. There have been so many inconsistencies that its hard to tell the truth from everything theyve said.
We dont want charge them too early should we find DeOrr and things change
Bowerman is 100 percent positive the child was not abducted
http://fox4kc.com/2016/01/25/missing-boy-deorr-kunz-jr-s-parents-named-as-suspects-in-disappearance/
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That's not what GGP FIRST said. His initial story was that he saw the baby toddling towards the embankment, and GGP looked away. When he looked back he was gone. So he thought he had gone to find his parents.
Those two individuals were not together the whole time. But in the periods they were together, if you decide that their statements directly contradict each other on some particular point, the logical conclusion from that would be that one of those individuals is telling the truth about the contradicted point. I will answer your other question after rewatching that video.
But she made these two comments back to back.
Well, if we want to remain factual, it appears to me we are "assuming" what GGP actually said. Bolded above is hearsay since it never came from GGP's mouth (unless I missed his one and only MSM interview!) Anything that has been reported or stated by Bowerman, Klein, Vilt, VDK, JMA, TBC is all hearsay. Since JMA, VDK and TBC have not been able to pass their polygraphs, then what makes us think that any of the "alleged" GGP statements are truthful?
The only GGP statement that exists that I can recall is the snippet that Klein has released - the one where GGP flat out denied JMA's statement that she made that GGP last saw the baby under a tree by the bank playing with his shoes or boots. GGP denied he ever told her that, therefore someone is lying.
As of 15 months after the "incident," GGP's actual statements are unknown and therefore hearsay, IMOO. If someone can point me to any direct quotes or interviews or statements by GGP himself, please share because I am truly unaware that they exist!! TIA.
BBM
You stated they were not together the whole time yet one of the top two suspects in the disappearance of her son, JMA, actually stated otherwise. Should we go with what she stated or what you stated?
JMA: Yeah! I I believe in both our innocence because he was with me that whole time. He the longest he was out of my sight was when he went up the embankment to go get our son, so and that was maybe five minutes.
http://m.localnews8.com/news/newsline-special-search-for-deorr-kunz-one-year-later/40453144
I don't recall GGP saying "toddling towards the embankment", but maybe I missed the source?
Hahahahahaha
But in all seriousness, I agree. Jessicas latest storyline says Deorr was sitting on the ridge and GGP was watching him play with dirt or his "shoes" and he suddenly vanished. He certainly hadn't follow J and V in THAT version of eventsm
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