ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #70
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There's no indication that PAP organizers were a part of Chad's cult. He was one of several speakers. Podcasts were made under the PAP umbrella. I don't think they were discussing multiple probations, light/dark ratings or zombies on air. Chad's group was meeting in private. Weird beliefs are one thing (everyone involved with PAP had some), but planning to kill family members is on a different level. The podcasts were removed because people involved were afraid of being excommunicated for their fringe beliefs. (IMO)
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Getting on for 50 minutes.
Charles was outside texting Adam at 7.37am
Lori was at Burger King drive-thru with the children at 7.54am and the nearest BK takes 4 minutes to get to, so she took off by 7.50am, if not earlier.
With Tylee going back inside to get Lori's purse, after hearing a shot and Lori coming out, I reckon Charles was shot by about 7.45am, 8 minutes after going in.
Alex called 911 at 8.36am. He told them it happened about 5 minutes ago.
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Summary of tweets for Thursday, April 20th - State witness: Chandler Police Detective Nathan Moffatt
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Today is day 13 of Lori Vallow Daybell’s murder trial. I am back inside the Ada County Courthouse waiting to go upstairs to the courtroom. So far, 16 witnesses have been called by the prosecution to testify.
Court was dismissed yesterday at the conclusion of April Raymond’s testimony we begin today with a new witness on the stand. Here is a recap of what happened yesterday.
The bailiff is reminding everyone in the courtroom that a courtroom conduct order remains in effect. Phones must be silenced and there is absolutely no audio or video recording of the proceedings.
Bailiff asks spectators to save whispering for the breaks and minimize candy wrapper crinkling. "If you have a Lifesaver fetish, please open your candy now."
All the attorneys have left the courtroom (I assume they are meeting with the judge) and Lori remains at her table looking down while scribbling notes.
Attorneys have just walked back into the courtroom. Judge Boyce is on the bench and jurors are about to be brought in.
Boyce says some scheduling issues and other matters have come up that will be discussed later today. Prosecution and defense say they are both ready to proceed today with the next witness.
Prosecution calls Chandler Police Det. Nathan Moffatt to the stand. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake will question him.
Moffatt is dressed in a suit with a purple shirt and tie. He has worked for the Chandler Police Dept. for 21 years.
Archibald objects to the witness because he says anything that happened in Arizona is not relevant to the trial in Idaho. Boyce says the court made a ruling about this in February and the objection is overruled.
Moffatt responded to the shooting on the day Charles Vallow was killed. He says Alex Cox called 911. When Moffatt arrived, patrol officers were on scene. Moffatt was assigned to be the case agent. He was briefed by patrol, walked through the scene and went back to the station.
Moffatt did not see Lori at the scene but he saw Charles dead on the living room floor. Moffatt interviewed Alex at the police station. Alex said he had spent the night at Lori's house because they planned on doing something the next day.
Alex said Charles and Lori were in an argument when Lori came into his room and Alex intervened between Lori and Charles. Alex did not indicate what the disagreement was about and he told Moffatt he never saw the fight get physical.
Alex said Tylee came out of her room with a bat during the argument to protect her mother. Charles took the bat, there was an argument over the bat and Alex said Charles hit him with the bat in the back of the head.
Moffatt observed a small laceration on the back of Alex's head "but it wasn't consistent with being hit extremely hard in the back of the head with a baseball bat by an athletic man."
Alex said after he was hit in the head, he went into his room to get his gun. Alex said he told Charles to drop the bat. Charles said, "What are you going to do about it?" and then came toward Alex when Alex pulled the trigger "more than once."
Alex said he thought he shot Charles in the torso area. Moffatt says Charles was shot twice - once in the chest, once in the lower abdomen.
Alex said after the shooting, he went into the kitchen and washed his hands. He then went into his room and called 911. Alex told Moffatt he had done CPR on Charles. Alex said he did not know where Tylee and JJ were at the time of the shooting.
Alex told Moffatt multiple times that he was not at the house to protect Lori. But Lori was in another room being questioned and told her interviewing detective that she had called Alex over the night before to protect her from Charles.
Moffatt went back to the house after the interview and the scene was being processed for evidence. One bullet strike landed in the baseboard and another was under Charles' body. Moffatt says the bullet was consistent with Charles being flat on the floor when he was shot.
Following the police interviews, Moffatt says he and Det. Ynclan drove back to the house with Alex, Tylee and Lori. He says the ride was "bizarre - to say the least." The conversation was lighthearted, conversational and "very different."
Moffatt received a promotion in July 2020 and was no longer the case agent. Det. Nathan Duncan took over. (Yes, they are both named Nathan. We have two Nates in our newsroom and yes, it gets confusing at times).
Blake asks Moffatt if finances are often a motive for homicide. He says yes. Moffatt says they learned Charles had a $1 million policy and there had been a recent change in the beneficiary. It had recently been changed from Lori to Kay Woodcock.
When Moffatt contacted the insurance company on July 17, he learned Lori had tried to file a claim. It was denied and Lori never received a payout.
Lindsey Blake has no further questions for Moffatt. Jim Archibald says he objects the Moffatt's entire testimony and has no questions for him. Moffatt is released from the witness stand.
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Today is day 13 of Lori Vallow Daybell’s murder trial. I am back inside the Ada County Courthouse waiting to go upstairs to the courtroom. So far, 16 witnesses have been called by the prosecution to testify.
Court was dismissed yesterday at the conclusion of April Raymond’s testimony we begin today with a new witness on the stand. Here is a recap of what happened yesterday.
The bailiff is reminding everyone in the courtroom that a courtroom conduct order remains in effect. Phones must be silenced and there is absolutely no audio or video recording of the proceedings.
Bailiff asks spectators to save whispering for the breaks and minimize candy wrapper crinkling. "If you have a Lifesaver fetish, please open your candy now."
All the attorneys have left the courtroom (I assume they are meeting with the judge) and Lori remains at her table looking down while scribbling notes.
Attorneys have just walked back into the courtroom. Judge Boyce is on the bench and jurors are about to be brought in.
Boyce says some scheduling issues and other matters have come up that will be discussed later today. Prosecution and defense say they are both ready to proceed today with the next witness.
Prosecution calls Chandler Police Det. Nathan Moffatt to the stand. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake will question him.
Moffatt is dressed in a suit with a purple shirt and tie. He has worked for the Chandler Police Dept. for 21 years.
Archibald objects to the witness because he says anything that happened in Arizona is not relevant to the trial in Idaho. Boyce says the court made a ruling about this in February and the objection is overruled.
Moffatt responded to the shooting on the day Charles Vallow was killed. He says Alex Cox called 911. When Moffatt arrived, patrol officers were on scene. Moffatt was assigned to be the case agent. He was briefed by patrol, walked through the scene and went back to the station.
Moffatt did not see Lori at the scene but he saw Charles dead on the living room floor. Moffatt interviewed Alex at the police station. Alex said he had spent the night at Lori's house because they planned on doing something the next day.
Alex said Charles and Lori were in an argument when Lori came into his room and Alex intervened between Lori and Charles. Alex did not indicate what the disagreement was about and he told Moffatt he never saw the fight get physical.
Alex said Tylee came out of her room with a bat during the argument to protect her mother. Charles took the bat, there was an argument over the bat and Alex said Charles hit him with the bat in the back of the head.
Moffatt observed a small laceration on the back of Alex's head "but it wasn't consistent with being hit extremely hard in the back of the head with a baseball bat by an athletic man."
Alex said after he was hit in the head, he went into his room to get his gun. Alex said he told Charles to drop the bat. Charles said, "What are you going to do about it?" and then came toward Alex when Alex pulled the trigger "more than once."
Alex said he thought he shot Charles in the torso area. Moffatt says Charles was shot twice - once in the chest, once in the lower abdomen.
Alex said after the shooting, he went into the kitchen and washed his hands. He then went into his room and called 911. Alex told Moffatt he had done CPR on Charles. Alex said he did not know where Tylee and JJ were at the time of the shooting.
Alex told Moffatt multiple times that he was not at the house to protect Lori. But Lori was in another room being questioned and told her interviewing detective that she had called Alex over the night before to protect her from Charles.
Moffatt went back to the house after the interview and the scene was being processed for evidence. One bullet strike landed in the baseboard and another was under Charles' body. Moffatt says the bullet was consistent with Charles being flat on the floor when he was shot.
Following the police interviews, Moffatt says he and Det. Ynclan drove back to the house with Alex, Tylee and Lori. He says the ride was "bizarre - to say the least." The conversation was lighthearted, conversational and "very different."
Moffatt received a promotion in July 2020 and was no longer the case agent. Det. Nathan Duncan took over. (Yes, they are both named Nathan. We have two Nates in our newsroom and yes, it gets confusing at times).
Blake asks Moffatt if finances are often a motive for homicide. He says yes. Moffatt says they learned Charles had a $1 million policy and there had been a recent change in the beneficiary. It had recently been changed from Lori to Kay Woodcock.
When Moffatt contacted the insurance company on July 17, he learned Lori had tried to file a claim. It was denied and Lori never received a payout.
Lindsey Blake has no further questions for Moffatt. Jim Archibald says he objects the Moffatt's entire testimony and has no questions for him. Moffatt is released from the witness stand.
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Summary of tweets for Thursday, April 20th - State witness: Sydney Woodbury Schenk.
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Next witness called by the state is Sydney Woodbury Shank.
Correct spelling -- Next witness called by the state is Sydney Woodbury Schenk. Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood is questioning her.
Schenk was attending BYU-Idaho in Rexburg in 2019. She was looking for work as a nanny/babysitter so she placed a job listing on a website.
Lori replied to Schenk's listing saying she needed help with her son JJ. Schenk and Lori exchanged numbers and often texted. Schenk and Lori set up a time to do an interview.
Lori said JJ had some special needs and required extra help. They met on Wednesday, Sept. 18, 2019 at Lori's townhome. Schenk said the interview went well. She arrived, Lori greeted her warmly, gave her a hug and introduced her to JJ.
Lori explained some of JJ's behavioral issues to Schenk and then mentioned that Charles had recently died of a heart attack. Lori said JJ was having a hard time understanding what happened to his dad.
Schenk never saw a teenage girl but Lori said she had a daughter who was attending college in Rexburg. Lori said sometimes her daughter would come to visit for dinner or to do laundry but her daughter didn't like to babysit without being paid so that's why Lori was hiring Schenk.
Schenk went back to Lori's house the next day after classes and watched JJ for a few hours while Lori went to the airport to pick up a friend.
Lori told Schenk she could take him to a trampoline park and if Lori arrived home later, Schenk could give JJ the medication that helps him fall asleep faster.
Schenk describes her time watching JJ and says he got into a dispute with a friend over toys. Schenk called him home and JJ was very upset. He went into his room and was angry. When Lori got home, Schenk explained what happened with the friend and Lori helped calm JJ down.
Alex was there and Lori's friend was also there. Lori paid Schenk in cash.
A few days later, Schenk texted Lori about babysitting. Lori said JJ had gone to his grandparents and would be gone for a month. After a month passed, Schenk reached out to Lori but Lori never responded to the texts. Schenk never saw JJ Vallow after Sept. 19.
Wood has no further questions for Schenk.
Archibald now questioning Schenk. She says there was no set schedule for babysitting but the arrangement was she would be called as the need arose. Schenk was expecting to babysit JJ for the next several months.
After a few clarifying questions, Archibald has nothing further. Schenk is released from the witness stand.
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Next witness called by the state is Sydney Woodbury Shank.
Correct spelling -- Next witness called by the state is Sydney Woodbury Schenk. Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood is questioning her.
Schenk was attending BYU-Idaho in Rexburg in 2019. She was looking for work as a nanny/babysitter so she placed a job listing on a website.
Lori replied to Schenk's listing saying she needed help with her son JJ. Schenk and Lori exchanged numbers and often texted. Schenk and Lori set up a time to do an interview.
Lori said JJ had some special needs and required extra help. They met on Wednesday, Sept. 18, 2019 at Lori's townhome. Schenk said the interview went well. She arrived, Lori greeted her warmly, gave her a hug and introduced her to JJ.
Lori explained some of JJ's behavioral issues to Schenk and then mentioned that Charles had recently died of a heart attack. Lori said JJ was having a hard time understanding what happened to his dad.
Schenk never saw a teenage girl but Lori said she had a daughter who was attending college in Rexburg. Lori said sometimes her daughter would come to visit for dinner or to do laundry but her daughter didn't like to babysit without being paid so that's why Lori was hiring Schenk.
Schenk went back to Lori's house the next day after classes and watched JJ for a few hours while Lori went to the airport to pick up a friend.
Lori told Schenk she could take him to a trampoline park and if Lori arrived home later, Schenk could give JJ the medication that helps him fall asleep faster.
Schenk describes her time watching JJ and says he got into a dispute with a friend over toys. Schenk called him home and JJ was very upset. He went into his room and was angry. When Lori got home, Schenk explained what happened with the friend and Lori helped calm JJ down.
Alex was there and Lori's friend was also there. Lori paid Schenk in cash.
A few days later, Schenk texted Lori about babysitting. Lori said JJ had gone to his grandparents and would be gone for a month. After a month passed, Schenk reached out to Lori but Lori never responded to the texts. Schenk never saw JJ Vallow after Sept. 19.
Wood has no further questions for Schenk.
Archibald now questioning Schenk. She says there was no set schedule for babysitting but the arrangement was she would be called as the need arose. Schenk was expecting to babysit JJ for the next several months.
After a few clarifying questions, Archibald has nothing further. Schenk is released from the witness stand.
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Websleuths has acquired the audio to the Daybell trial starting with yesterday's audio,.April 20th 2023. We are running a livestream on our Websleuths YouTube account and the chat is open.
We will do this every day. We receive the recording from the court a few hours after court ends for the day. We will play the whole audio the next day and have a chat open if you would like to join in.
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If you do not want to join the live chat then just hit the play button and you can listen that way.
We will do this every day. We receive the recording from the court a few hours after court ends for the day. We will play the whole audio the next day and have a chat open if you would like to join in.
Please hit the subscribe button on our channel and hit the thumbs up. It really helps us. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN OUR LIVE CHAT ON YOUTUBE PLEASE TOUCH THE PICTURE. THAT WILL BRING UP A BIGGER PICTURE WITH MORE OPTIONS. YOU WILL SEE "YOUTUBE" IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. YOU MUST HIT THE "YOUTUBE" IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE LIVE CHAT.
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in reality, LV probably just viewed his school attendance there - enrolled Sept. 3, 2019 through Sept. 24, 2019.- as a free, temporary, child-minding arrangement
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Summary of tweets for Thursday, April 20th - State witness: Josh Wilson, principal at Kennedy Elementary in Rexburg.
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Josh Wilson is called to the stand. Madison County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Spencer Rammell will question Wilson.
Wilson is the principal at Kennedy Elementary in Rexburg. He has been the principal for four years and was working in that capacity in Sept. 2019.
Wilson says JJ Vallow was a student at Kennedy Elementary and Lori Vallow was listed as his parent. JJ was enrolled Sept. 3, 2019 through Sept. 24, 2019. The last day JJ was physically present at the school was Friday, Sept. 20, 2019.
The school received an email on Sept. 24 from Lori indicating that JJ was being removed from Kennedy and she sending him to Louisiana to be with his grandparents.
Wilson called Lori and told her that once JJ was enrolled in Louisana, have that school contact Kennedy and his records could be sent. Lori then said they weren't moving him to Louisana but would be homeschooling him.
A cousin with similar needs would be working with JJ. Wilson said the school would house JJ's records until he was re-enrolled in public school.
Wilson never heard from Lori again. Rammell has no further questions for the principal. Archibald now cross-examining Wilson.
Wilson says he was present when JJ was enrolled and remembers meeting him. Wilson says there was never any discussion about only enrolling JJ for three weeks and it was his understanding that JJ would be enrolled for the long term.
Archibald has no further questions. Wilson is released from the witness stand and escorted out of the courtroom. Next witness is Wynn Hill - the Dean of Students at BYU-Idaho.
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Josh Wilson is called to the stand. Madison County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Spencer Rammell will question Wilson.
Wilson is the principal at Kennedy Elementary in Rexburg. He has been the principal for four years and was working in that capacity in Sept. 2019.
Wilson says JJ Vallow was a student at Kennedy Elementary and Lori Vallow was listed as his parent. JJ was enrolled Sept. 3, 2019 through Sept. 24, 2019. The last day JJ was physically present at the school was Friday, Sept. 20, 2019.
The school received an email on Sept. 24 from Lori indicating that JJ was being removed from Kennedy and she sending him to Louisiana to be with his grandparents.
Wilson called Lori and told her that once JJ was enrolled in Louisana, have that school contact Kennedy and his records could be sent. Lori then said they weren't moving him to Louisana but would be homeschooling him.
A cousin with similar needs would be working with JJ. Wilson said the school would house JJ's records until he was re-enrolled in public school.
Wilson never heard from Lori again. Rammell has no further questions for the principal. Archibald now cross-examining Wilson.
Wilson says he was present when JJ was enrolled and remembers meeting him. Wilson says there was never any discussion about only enrolling JJ for three weeks and it was his understanding that JJ would be enrolled for the long term.
Archibald has no further questions. Wilson is released from the witness stand and escorted out of the courtroom. Next witness is Wynn Hill - the Dean of Students at BYU-Idaho.
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Summary of tweets for Thursday, April 20th - State witness: Wynn Hill, Dean of Students at BYU-Idaho.
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Next witness is Wynn Hill - the Dean of Students at BYU-Idaho.
Lori has been attentively listening to the testimony this morning. I have not observed her taking as many notes as previous days. Jurors are engaged although I have seen a few rubbing their eyes and yawning.
Rammell is questioning Hill. He has worked at BYU-Idaho for 17 years and says they use a student management system that keeps track of their students. Information on the system contains "everything" - application information, directory information, educational records.
The system allows employees to look up current and past students as well as those who have applied to the university. Police asked Hill to check for Tylee Ryan, Tylee Cox, Tylee Vallow with DOB Sept. 24, 2002. Hill checked the system on Feb. 28, 2020.
Tylee never applied or was a student at BYUI. Rammell has no further questions. Archibald has no questions and Hill is released from the stand.
The next witness is not here yet so we are taking a morning recess. Back in 15-20 minutes.
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Next witness is Wynn Hill - the Dean of Students at BYU-Idaho.
Lori has been attentively listening to the testimony this morning. I have not observed her taking as many notes as previous days. Jurors are engaged although I have seen a few rubbing their eyes and yawning.
Rammell is questioning Hill. He has worked at BYU-Idaho for 17 years and says they use a student management system that keeps track of their students. Information on the system contains "everything" - application information, directory information, educational records.
The system allows employees to look up current and past students as well as those who have applied to the university. Police asked Hill to check for Tylee Ryan, Tylee Cox, Tylee Vallow with DOB Sept. 24, 2002. Hill checked the system on Feb. 28, 2020.
Tylee never applied or was a student at BYUI. Rammell has no further questions. Archibald has no questions and Hill is released from the stand.
The next witness is not here yet so we are taking a morning recess. Back in 15-20 minutes.
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JJ just a baby, full of trust. Id love to wipe that smug look off Lori's face. I don't think the jury is fooled by her . I think
just the circumstantial evidence will convict her. I don't know how they thought they were going to get away with all this killing? I think Chad showed he could kill for Lori just as Alex had..so they didn't need Alex..and I don't believe in his death
as a sudden heart attack. Not for a minute. He knew WAY too much about Lori and Chad .mOO
just the circumstantial evidence will convict her. I don't know how they thought they were going to get away with all this killing? I think Chad showed he could kill for Lori just as Alex had..so they didn't need Alex..and I don't believe in his death
as a sudden heart attack. Not for a minute. He knew WAY too much about Lori and Chad .mOO
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