Depends. Do we know their status with the church at this time? Disfellowship/excommunication? If they were full priesthood holders they were authorized. However—it’s very possible that they simply didn’t care what the church allowed and gave themselves the authority. Not like they cared to respect the LDS church in so many other aspects at that time—such as like not making out with people or sleeping with people other than your spouse or not following doctrine contrary to LDS teachings or like KILLING PEOPLE.
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Depends. Do we know their status with the church at this time? Disfellowship/excommunication? If they were full priesthood holders they were authorized. However—it’s very possible that they simply didn’t care what the church allowed and gave themselves the authority. Not like they cared to respect the LDS church in so many other aspects at that time—such as like not making out with people or sleeping with people other than your spouse or not following doctrine contrary to LDS teachings or like KILLING PEOPLE.
I guess math isn't Chad’s strong suit.
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Did you listen to one of those gatherings recordings, where Warwick was the speaker?? I know we talked about it a good deal way back when. I feel pretty sure you were active on the case.......... but don't know for sure.
To me, Warwick is VERY smart, full of factual knowledge/history and also, though quiet spolen, was very convincing of some very strange things.....
I could see him stand up to Chaddo.
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Short answer: Yes.
Chad (as well as most adult males over 18 within the church) -- prior to his excommunication -- would still be considered a Melchizedek Priesthood holder within the LDS church.
From that same webpage: "Melchizedek Priesthood holders may give blessings of comfort and counsel to family members and to others who request them... A Melchizedek Priesthood holder does not need to seek approval from a priesthood leader to give a blessing of comfort and counsel or a father’s blessing."
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they weren't excommunicated at the time afaik
LE, this week said that Chad's blessing type was a ' patriarchal type blessing' and LE added this type could only be given by a state patriarch, that's in the first few minutes of the Youtube, at 1minute 25 secs ' I have been informed that he's not authorised...' . ( Chad says it's a ' patriarchal blessing' in the audio)
No idea which type of blessing Warwick wanted/ claims Melanie wanted from Chad cause it never happened.
Or which type of blessing Warwick wanted to give JJ cause it doesn't seem to be followed-up during cross
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I. Can't. Imagine. How. The. Jury. Is . Processing. This.
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And, it was just MG who wanted Lori and Chad contacted about the nightmare. Hmmm.
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the neck scratch came up again ( which Melanie recently mentioned, but ofc David didn't watch all of her testimony...)
Warwick & Gibb are very slippery people imo.
Warwick & Gibb are very slippery people imo.
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Summary of tweets for Thursday, April 20th - State witness: David Warwick, Melanie Gibb's husband.
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We are back in the courtroom. David Warwick, Melanie Gibb's husband, was just escorted into the courthouse by a Rexburg police officer.
I assume he will be next on the stand. Warwick was one of the last people to see JJ alive as he was staying at Gibb's house when police believe JJ died.
Warwick is being walked in. Boyce says an issue has been raised concerning the exclusionary rule regarding Warwick. Witnesses are not supposed to watch or read any other witness testimony. Prosecutor Rachel Smith will ask Warwick about this.
Warwick and Melanie Gibb have been married a little over two years. They got married on Dec. 12, 2021.
Warwick testified during Chad Daybell's preliminary hearing and just said he testified during the grand jury proceedings. Warwick says he became sick two weeks ago and was not able to come with Gibb the day she testified in court.
While at home recovering, Warwick listened to 45 minutes of Gibb's testimony and then realized he was not supposed to do that. He says he immediately shut it off. Gibb lives in Arizona and Warwick lives in Utah.
They have a "distant" relationship and he says he has not talked with her about the trial as she needs some space.
Warwick says Gibb's testimony will not affect his testimony and he has not spoken with his wife since last week. Archibald is now questioning Warwick. Archibald asks Warwick what he learned from Gibb's testimony while he listened for 45 minutes.
Warwick says nothing. He was sick and was listening for her tone of voice rather than what she actually said. When asked about Gibb's tone of voice, Warwick says she seemed "somber."
Warwick says he listened to his wife's testimony on either the East Idaho News or Hidden Crime YouTube channel. He doesn't recall which channel and watched it on his phone. Archibald asks Warwick what the heading was.
Warwick says it was, "Melanie Gibb testifies in court" or something like that. Warwick says he did not read the comments about the article.
Warwick says since he received his subpoena, he has read two stories about Gibb and one about Zulema and Alex's marriage.
Warwick says he accessed those articles on the same day. He listened to 45 minutes of Gibb's testimony, remembered the court order and shut it down.
Archibald has no further questions. Smith has some follow-up questions. She directly asks, "Once you got your subpoena, what have you listened to or watched about the trial?" Warwick says Gibb's testimony and an article about Zulema and Alex - but it was not about the trial.
This questioning is being done without the presence of the jury. Boyce will determine if Warwick should be allowed to testify today even though he listened to his wife's testimony. Warwick says it has not affected his ability to give a fair testimony.
Archibald says Warwick has violated court rules and should be excluded from testifying. Smith says the court should consider whether any harm has been done to his testimony and argues there was no willful misconduct.
Smith notes that Warwick immediately told prosecutors he listened to Gibb's testimony and says has cooperated with police all along. He has also testified in prior hearings.
Archibald: "There's a reason we have rules and we don't just say, 'Golly gee, my bad.' He's accessing information on the internet. His motivation is irrelevant. He purposely accessed it and not only that, accessed other articles about people in this case.
There is a rule and there's a reason we have a rule and it's to protect the integrity of the court."
Boyce says he needs to look at Warwick's level of conduct and whether it will interfere with the trial. He says he doesn't think holding Warwick in contempt of court is an appropriate response.
Boyce says he does not believe the conduct rises to the level of excusing the witness. Boyce says the conduct was willful and will allow the defense to "liberally" comment" on Warwick's credibility in front of the jury so it is on the record. Warwick will testify.
Boyce asks the defense if they have any questions. John Thomas asks for a sidebar conference and all attorneys leave the courtroom with the judge.
Attorneys and Boyce are back in the courtroom. Warwick will testify and jurors are being brought in. Warwick is wearing a white shirt, tie and dark brown/black leather jacket.
Jury is back in the courtroom. Rachel Smith is questioning Warwick. Warwick introduces himself to the jurors - many are taking notes. Warwick says he met Lori Vallow through Melanie Gibb in Arizona.
When Warwick met Lori the first week of August 2019, she was recently widowed from Charles Vallow. Warwick met Lori at her house. Chad, Alex, Melani Boudreaux, Zulema Pastenes, another lady and Melanie Gibb were all there.
Warwick had never met Chad in-person but they had spoken on the phone. A few years earlier, Chad reached out to Warwick and wanted to write a book with him. The book never happened because Warwick didn't feel it was right and Chad wasn't the one to write a book with.
"Lori was an amazing hostess. She was fixing food. We were having a social." Warwick then met Lori later at her apartment in Rexburg, Idaho. He was dating Gibb during this visit to Rexburg.
Warwick traveled to Rexburg the weekend of Sept. 20-23, 2019 to see his son in Pocatello, for a Book of Mormon conference and to record a podcast with Lori and Gibb at Lori's apartment.
Warwick had planned to stay at a hotel in Idaho Falls but Gibb called and said Lori had an extra room in her apartment. Warwick arrived at the apartment and Alex, Gibb, Lori and JJ were there. Warwick had never met JJ, who was sitting on the couch playing with toys.
Warwick has an autistic son with Down Syndrome so he tried to play with JJ but "it was like I wasn't even there. He never acknowledged me." Warwick never saw Tylee Ryan that weekend.
Warwick says Lori told him Tylee was attending college in Rexburg and wanted to be independent. Warwick recalls JJ had a cardboard box and was cutting holes in it to make it like a home. Warwick tried to play with him but JJ did respond or acknowledge Warwick.
Warwick saw JJ engage with Alex once and when JJ went outside to play, he seemed very happy.
Warwick saw Chad Daybell a few times that weekend. Chad taught Warwick about the gathering of the 144,000, Satan having the power to push people out of their bodies and spirits being stuck. During this conversation, Gibb and Lori were present.
Warwick says Chad "led the way" on the teachings and Lori didn't say much about them. Warwick told Chad if the Lord was gathering 144,000, he belives it would happen through the prophet of the LDS Church.
Warwick says he didn't believe Chad and told him he didn't believe it. Chad then had Warwick and Gibb meet him and Lori at a property next to a church. They started describing a heavenly building next to the church - not a physical building but a spiritual building.
Warwick could not see the building but was trying to be respectful and follow along with what Chad and Lori were saying.
Later in the weekend, Chad wanted Warwick to see 80 acres for sale near Chad's home. Warwick knew an investor who wanted to develop property in Idaho so Alex Cox took Warwick to the field.
Chad and a realtor showed up and asked if Warwick had any questions. Warwick said he didn't do business on Sunday so nothing really came of it.
Warwick saw Chad again that weekend. He says Chad and Lori were very loving with one another and very affectionate. Warwick knew Chad was still married to Tammy. "I asked Chad about how his marriage was with Tammy and if she was a good wife.
He said he had no complaints and she was a good wife but her time was coming up and he and Lori were going to do the things they needed to do for God." Chad told Warwick he had a dream three years prior that Tammy was going to die by the time Chad was 50.
Chad told Warwick he was "one of them" and Warwick said if that was the case, it would come through the prophet of the church. Chad said it was a separate calling through the Church of the Firstborn and Chad had authority through John the Beloved.
Lori, Gibb and Warwick recorded the podcast in Lori's kitchen Sunday evening. Lori told the group Alex was babysitting JJ at his place, Warwick says. Around 10:30 p.m., Warwick heard the front door open and saw Alex carrying JJ who was asleep with his head on his shoulder.
Alex took JJ upstairs and put him in bed. Warwick recalls JJ wearing shorts and a T-shirt.
Warwick doesn't recall if Alex left but he thinks the door opened and closed. JJ was staying in Lori's room and Warwick was staying in JJ's room. In the early morning hours, Warwick says he had "one of the worst nightmares of my life. It was very real."
Gibb heard Warwick screaming in his sleep and tried to wake him up. Gibb said she was going to get Lori to try and get Chad over to the house so he could have a blessing. This was in the "early hours of the morning" after midnight.
Melanie went to get Lori but she didn't respond. The next morning, Gibb and Warwick went downstairs to say goodbye. Lori told Warwick that JJ had "an episode" and climbed on the cabinets, on top of the fridge and then knocked over her picture of Jesus Christ.
Lori said she called Alex to take care of him. Warwick says he didn't see any signs that the cabinets were damaged and no marks on the stainless steel fridge. Warwick asked to see JJ so he could give him a blessing if there was a problem but Lori said she had Alex come & get him.
Lori said she sent JJ with Alex on Monday, Sept. 23, 2019. Smith has no further questions. Jim Archibald will be conducting cross-examination.
Archibald asks Warwick and Gibb where they live. He says he lives in Pleasant Grove, Utah and Gibb lives in Chandler, Arizona. Archibald asks if they started seeing each other before their divorces were finalized. Smith objects based on relevance.
Boyce overrules the objection. Warwick says his divorce was being finalized but Gibb's was complete.
Warwick says he and Gibb were interested in each other because they both liked religious topics. That's also how he met Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell and Alex Cox - through religion. Warwick describes Alex as a "fun-loving, humorous guy" who could be genuine but also lighthearted.
Archibald asks Warwick about the Book of Mormon conference he was attending in Rexburg. Warwick says it was not sponsored by the LDS Church, but a person associated with Preparing a People. PAP is a private group not sponsored by the LDS Church, Warwick says.
Archibald asks Warwick who was the designated audience for the podcasts. Warwick says it was meant for Latter-day Saints and was for education but not money. He says the purpose of the podcast was to build faith.
Archibald asks if there is a group called Preparing a People. Warwick says no - it's an organization that hosts conferences. Warwick has spoken at PAP conferences and shared about his "dreams and visions."
Archibald asks if Warwick calls himself a "visionary man." "Others have called me that. I don't call myself anything."
Archibald begins to ask about Warwick's dreams and vision. Smith objects and says it's not relevant. Archibald says it goes to Warwick's credibility. Boyce overrules the objection and
Archibald asks Warwick about his talks concerning "visions and secret combinations in Washington DC, England and Saudi Arabia." Warwick confirms he has.
Archibald lists off the visions Warwick says he has had, including China and Russia invading the United States. Another vision - the United States being sacrificed for a one-world government. Smith objects.
Boyce says "we are getting away from the evidence" and asks Archibald to be more narrow.
Archibald asks Warwick to explain the difference between a nightmare and a vision. Warwick says a vision is when you're being shown things in the future but you're not seeing yourself - someone else is presenting it. Warwick says his visions come from angels under God.
Archibald asks about the nightmare Warwick had at Lori's house. Warwick says there was a lot of fair, darkness and no order to it. Warwick says he doesn't know where the nightmare came from but it was adversarial.
Archibald asks if that means the devil. Warwcick says "somewhere in that direction." Archibald asks if it was an angel of the devil. "Could have been," Warwick says.
Archibald asks Warwick about the blessing he wanted from Chad while at Lori's house after the nightmare. Warwick says Gibb wanted Chad to come over and give him a blessing - he didn't necessarily want it.
Archibald asks what a blessing from Chad Daybell would have done for Warwick. "I would have hoped for peace but it wasn't my idea. Melanie was just trying to get help."
Gibb and Warwick were sleeping in JJ's room during the time of the nightmare. Chad Daybell never came. Archibald now asking about a scratch Chad got on his neck from JJ. Warwick didn't see the scuffle between JJ and Chad but Chad told him about it.
Warwick says he wasn't certain what to believe when Chad told Warwick that Tammy would soon die.
Archibald asks Warwick if he wants to be part of the 144,000. Warwick says it would be an honor but it's nothing he is seeking. Warwick says Chad did not have the authority to gather.
Archibald asks who has the authority to gather. Warwick says the prophet of the LDS Church - Russell M. Nelson.
Warwick says on his podcast, the discussion was about fasting, repentance, service, conversation stories and serving LDS missions. The purpose was to build faith.
Warwick says the night he recorded a podcast with Gibb and Lori, the subject was sanctification -- "as you repent and serve God, as you prove faithful to him, the Lord changes your heart. Makes you clean and makes you whole."
Lori looked over at her attorney, John Thomas, and smiled as Warwick said this.
Warwick says he was invited to speak at preparedness camps. Archibald asks what he spoke about. Smith objects based on relevance. Boyce grants the objection. Archibald then asks what Warwick's purpose was.
"The whole purpose was to build faith and help identity stumbling blocks to faith, the fruits of faith and how involved our Father in Heaven is with each one of us."
After Warwick left Lori's apartment, he went to visit his son in Pocatello but did not see JJ. Archibald asks Warwick if he called the police. Warwick says no because Lori was such a wonderful woman.
Warwick says what they were teaching did not match their character. He saw no reason to suspect anything. Archibald has no further questions. Rachel Smith has some re-direct questions.
"The defense asked you about dreams and visions. I want to ask you about reality," Smith says. She asks him to repeat what Lori told him the morning Warwick left. He repeats that Lori said JJ was out of control and pushed over her picture of Christ that sat on the upper cabinets.
Warwick saw no signs that anything had been damaged if JJ had climbed up there. Lori said she called Alex to come and get him because she couldn't handle JJ. Nothing further from the state.
The next witness is fairly lengthy so we are taking a lunch break that will end between 12:30-1 p.m.
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We are back in the courtroom. David Warwick, Melanie Gibb's husband, was just escorted into the courthouse by a Rexburg police officer.
I assume he will be next on the stand. Warwick was one of the last people to see JJ alive as he was staying at Gibb's house when police believe JJ died.
Warwick is being walked in. Boyce says an issue has been raised concerning the exclusionary rule regarding Warwick. Witnesses are not supposed to watch or read any other witness testimony. Prosecutor Rachel Smith will ask Warwick about this.
Warwick and Melanie Gibb have been married a little over two years. They got married on Dec. 12, 2021.
Warwick testified during Chad Daybell's preliminary hearing and just said he testified during the grand jury proceedings. Warwick says he became sick two weeks ago and was not able to come with Gibb the day she testified in court.
While at home recovering, Warwick listened to 45 minutes of Gibb's testimony and then realized he was not supposed to do that. He says he immediately shut it off. Gibb lives in Arizona and Warwick lives in Utah.
They have a "distant" relationship and he says he has not talked with her about the trial as she needs some space.
Warwick says Gibb's testimony will not affect his testimony and he has not spoken with his wife since last week. Archibald is now questioning Warwick. Archibald asks Warwick what he learned from Gibb's testimony while he listened for 45 minutes.
Warwick says nothing. He was sick and was listening for her tone of voice rather than what she actually said. When asked about Gibb's tone of voice, Warwick says she seemed "somber."
Warwick says he listened to his wife's testimony on either the East Idaho News or Hidden Crime YouTube channel. He doesn't recall which channel and watched it on his phone. Archibald asks Warwick what the heading was.
Warwick says it was, "Melanie Gibb testifies in court" or something like that. Warwick says he did not read the comments about the article.
Warwick says since he received his subpoena, he has read two stories about Gibb and one about Zulema and Alex's marriage.
Warwick says he accessed those articles on the same day. He listened to 45 minutes of Gibb's testimony, remembered the court order and shut it down.
Archibald has no further questions. Smith has some follow-up questions. She directly asks, "Once you got your subpoena, what have you listened to or watched about the trial?" Warwick says Gibb's testimony and an article about Zulema and Alex - but it was not about the trial.
This questioning is being done without the presence of the jury. Boyce will determine if Warwick should be allowed to testify today even though he listened to his wife's testimony. Warwick says it has not affected his ability to give a fair testimony.
Archibald says Warwick has violated court rules and should be excluded from testifying. Smith says the court should consider whether any harm has been done to his testimony and argues there was no willful misconduct.
Smith notes that Warwick immediately told prosecutors he listened to Gibb's testimony and says has cooperated with police all along. He has also testified in prior hearings.
Archibald: "There's a reason we have rules and we don't just say, 'Golly gee, my bad.' He's accessing information on the internet. His motivation is irrelevant. He purposely accessed it and not only that, accessed other articles about people in this case.
There is a rule and there's a reason we have a rule and it's to protect the integrity of the court."
Boyce says he needs to look at Warwick's level of conduct and whether it will interfere with the trial. He says he doesn't think holding Warwick in contempt of court is an appropriate response.
Boyce says he does not believe the conduct rises to the level of excusing the witness. Boyce says the conduct was willful and will allow the defense to "liberally" comment" on Warwick's credibility in front of the jury so it is on the record. Warwick will testify.
Boyce asks the defense if they have any questions. John Thomas asks for a sidebar conference and all attorneys leave the courtroom with the judge.
Attorneys and Boyce are back in the courtroom. Warwick will testify and jurors are being brought in. Warwick is wearing a white shirt, tie and dark brown/black leather jacket.
Jury is back in the courtroom. Rachel Smith is questioning Warwick. Warwick introduces himself to the jurors - many are taking notes. Warwick says he met Lori Vallow through Melanie Gibb in Arizona.
When Warwick met Lori the first week of August 2019, she was recently widowed from Charles Vallow. Warwick met Lori at her house. Chad, Alex, Melani Boudreaux, Zulema Pastenes, another lady and Melanie Gibb were all there.
Warwick had never met Chad in-person but they had spoken on the phone. A few years earlier, Chad reached out to Warwick and wanted to write a book with him. The book never happened because Warwick didn't feel it was right and Chad wasn't the one to write a book with.
"Lori was an amazing hostess. She was fixing food. We were having a social." Warwick then met Lori later at her apartment in Rexburg, Idaho. He was dating Gibb during this visit to Rexburg.
Warwick traveled to Rexburg the weekend of Sept. 20-23, 2019 to see his son in Pocatello, for a Book of Mormon conference and to record a podcast with Lori and Gibb at Lori's apartment.
Warwick had planned to stay at a hotel in Idaho Falls but Gibb called and said Lori had an extra room in her apartment. Warwick arrived at the apartment and Alex, Gibb, Lori and JJ were there. Warwick had never met JJ, who was sitting on the couch playing with toys.
Warwick has an autistic son with Down Syndrome so he tried to play with JJ but "it was like I wasn't even there. He never acknowledged me." Warwick never saw Tylee Ryan that weekend.
Warwick says Lori told him Tylee was attending college in Rexburg and wanted to be independent. Warwick recalls JJ had a cardboard box and was cutting holes in it to make it like a home. Warwick tried to play with him but JJ did respond or acknowledge Warwick.
Warwick saw JJ engage with Alex once and when JJ went outside to play, he seemed very happy.
Warwick saw Chad Daybell a few times that weekend. Chad taught Warwick about the gathering of the 144,000, Satan having the power to push people out of their bodies and spirits being stuck. During this conversation, Gibb and Lori were present.
Warwick says Chad "led the way" on the teachings and Lori didn't say much about them. Warwick told Chad if the Lord was gathering 144,000, he belives it would happen through the prophet of the LDS Church.
Warwick says he didn't believe Chad and told him he didn't believe it. Chad then had Warwick and Gibb meet him and Lori at a property next to a church. They started describing a heavenly building next to the church - not a physical building but a spiritual building.
Warwick could not see the building but was trying to be respectful and follow along with what Chad and Lori were saying.
Later in the weekend, Chad wanted Warwick to see 80 acres for sale near Chad's home. Warwick knew an investor who wanted to develop property in Idaho so Alex Cox took Warwick to the field.
Chad and a realtor showed up and asked if Warwick had any questions. Warwick said he didn't do business on Sunday so nothing really came of it.
Warwick saw Chad again that weekend. He says Chad and Lori were very loving with one another and very affectionate. Warwick knew Chad was still married to Tammy. "I asked Chad about how his marriage was with Tammy and if she was a good wife.
He said he had no complaints and she was a good wife but her time was coming up and he and Lori were going to do the things they needed to do for God." Chad told Warwick he had a dream three years prior that Tammy was going to die by the time Chad was 50.
Chad told Warwick he was "one of them" and Warwick said if that was the case, it would come through the prophet of the church. Chad said it was a separate calling through the Church of the Firstborn and Chad had authority through John the Beloved.
Lori, Gibb and Warwick recorded the podcast in Lori's kitchen Sunday evening. Lori told the group Alex was babysitting JJ at his place, Warwick says. Around 10:30 p.m., Warwick heard the front door open and saw Alex carrying JJ who was asleep with his head on his shoulder.
Alex took JJ upstairs and put him in bed. Warwick recalls JJ wearing shorts and a T-shirt.
Warwick doesn't recall if Alex left but he thinks the door opened and closed. JJ was staying in Lori's room and Warwick was staying in JJ's room. In the early morning hours, Warwick says he had "one of the worst nightmares of my life. It was very real."
Gibb heard Warwick screaming in his sleep and tried to wake him up. Gibb said she was going to get Lori to try and get Chad over to the house so he could have a blessing. This was in the "early hours of the morning" after midnight.
Melanie went to get Lori but she didn't respond. The next morning, Gibb and Warwick went downstairs to say goodbye. Lori told Warwick that JJ had "an episode" and climbed on the cabinets, on top of the fridge and then knocked over her picture of Jesus Christ.
Lori said she called Alex to take care of him. Warwick says he didn't see any signs that the cabinets were damaged and no marks on the stainless steel fridge. Warwick asked to see JJ so he could give him a blessing if there was a problem but Lori said she had Alex come & get him.
Lori said she sent JJ with Alex on Monday, Sept. 23, 2019. Smith has no further questions. Jim Archibald will be conducting cross-examination.
Archibald asks Warwick and Gibb where they live. He says he lives in Pleasant Grove, Utah and Gibb lives in Chandler, Arizona. Archibald asks if they started seeing each other before their divorces were finalized. Smith objects based on relevance.
Boyce overrules the objection. Warwick says his divorce was being finalized but Gibb's was complete.
Warwick says he and Gibb were interested in each other because they both liked religious topics. That's also how he met Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell and Alex Cox - through religion. Warwick describes Alex as a "fun-loving, humorous guy" who could be genuine but also lighthearted.
Archibald asks Warwick about the Book of Mormon conference he was attending in Rexburg. Warwick says it was not sponsored by the LDS Church, but a person associated with Preparing a People. PAP is a private group not sponsored by the LDS Church, Warwick says.
Archibald asks Warwick who was the designated audience for the podcasts. Warwick says it was meant for Latter-day Saints and was for education but not money. He says the purpose of the podcast was to build faith.
Archibald asks if there is a group called Preparing a People. Warwick says no - it's an organization that hosts conferences. Warwick has spoken at PAP conferences and shared about his "dreams and visions."
Archibald asks if Warwick calls himself a "visionary man." "Others have called me that. I don't call myself anything."
Archibald begins to ask about Warwick's dreams and vision. Smith objects and says it's not relevant. Archibald says it goes to Warwick's credibility. Boyce overrules the objection and
Archibald asks Warwick about his talks concerning "visions and secret combinations in Washington DC, England and Saudi Arabia." Warwick confirms he has.
Archibald lists off the visions Warwick says he has had, including China and Russia invading the United States. Another vision - the United States being sacrificed for a one-world government. Smith objects.
Boyce says "we are getting away from the evidence" and asks Archibald to be more narrow.
Archibald asks Warwick to explain the difference between a nightmare and a vision. Warwick says a vision is when you're being shown things in the future but you're not seeing yourself - someone else is presenting it. Warwick says his visions come from angels under God.
Archibald asks about the nightmare Warwick had at Lori's house. Warwick says there was a lot of fair, darkness and no order to it. Warwick says he doesn't know where the nightmare came from but it was adversarial.
Archibald asks if that means the devil. Warwcick says "somewhere in that direction." Archibald asks if it was an angel of the devil. "Could have been," Warwick says.
Archibald asks Warwick about the blessing he wanted from Chad while at Lori's house after the nightmare. Warwick says Gibb wanted Chad to come over and give him a blessing - he didn't necessarily want it.
Archibald asks what a blessing from Chad Daybell would have done for Warwick. "I would have hoped for peace but it wasn't my idea. Melanie was just trying to get help."
Gibb and Warwick were sleeping in JJ's room during the time of the nightmare. Chad Daybell never came. Archibald now asking about a scratch Chad got on his neck from JJ. Warwick didn't see the scuffle between JJ and Chad but Chad told him about it.
Warwick says he wasn't certain what to believe when Chad told Warwick that Tammy would soon die.
Archibald asks Warwick if he wants to be part of the 144,000. Warwick says it would be an honor but it's nothing he is seeking. Warwick says Chad did not have the authority to gather.
Archibald asks who has the authority to gather. Warwick says the prophet of the LDS Church - Russell M. Nelson.
Warwick says on his podcast, the discussion was about fasting, repentance, service, conversation stories and serving LDS missions. The purpose was to build faith.
Warwick says the night he recorded a podcast with Gibb and Lori, the subject was sanctification -- "as you repent and serve God, as you prove faithful to him, the Lord changes your heart. Makes you clean and makes you whole."
Lori looked over at her attorney, John Thomas, and smiled as Warwick said this.
Warwick says he was invited to speak at preparedness camps. Archibald asks what he spoke about. Smith objects based on relevance. Boyce grants the objection. Archibald then asks what Warwick's purpose was.
"The whole purpose was to build faith and help identity stumbling blocks to faith, the fruits of faith and how involved our Father in Heaven is with each one of us."
After Warwick left Lori's apartment, he went to visit his son in Pocatello but did not see JJ. Archibald asks Warwick if he called the police. Warwick says no because Lori was such a wonderful woman.
Warwick says what they were teaching did not match their character. He saw no reason to suspect anything. Archibald has no further questions. Rachel Smith has some re-direct questions.
"The defense asked you about dreams and visions. I want to ask you about reality," Smith says. She asks him to repeat what Lori told him the morning Warwick left. He repeats that Lori said JJ was out of control and pushed over her picture of Christ that sat on the upper cabinets.
Warwick saw no signs that anything had been damaged if JJ had climbed up there. Lori said she called Alex to come and get him because she couldn't handle JJ. Nothing further from the state.
The next witness is fairly lengthy so we are taking a lunch break that will end between 12:30-1 p.m.
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i can feel your heavy breathing, as you speak this...
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Yep.
Maybe less about offering counsel and comfort for nightmares and more about recasting the noises of a child being restrained and murdered as a "nightmare" sent by an angel that could be confirmed and dealt with by ol' Chad.
So that type of blessing he was not authorized to give. Very few are.
But the type DW would have been looking for would have been more of a comfort, peace, fathers blessing type, which he probably was able to give at that time.
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As the cult's leader, Chad was clearly a religious authority to them.
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That's it!!
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My thoughts exactly!
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But what are the chances that he would quickly become dark if he contradicted Chad?
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It feels suspicious.( ofc I accept that these people were odd and were also up to their necks in an offshoot cult - even though they've since been at pains to pretend that they'd never really bought into it- so they're likely to have odd reactions)
however - what if the nightmare didn't really happen as we've been told? that's even worse. what if they heard a commotion or even that Warwick himself had heard something while he was half asleep which fed into his dream state?
Everybody on WS must have wondered about that, at some point, over the years
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