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State witness: Detective Colin Nesbitt, with the Kauai Police Dept. / Part 2
Nate Eaton
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9h
We are back in the courtroom. Attorneys are meeting with Judge Boyce in chambers. Lori is at her table with back the audience writing in her notebook.
Personal observation: Coke seems to be the drink of choice in the courtroom. I've seen Jim Archibald and John Thomas with bottles of Coke Zero (but Archibald makes regular visits to the water cooler). Lori is drinking from a can of regular Coke today.
Prosecutor Lindsey Blake has a can of Coke. I've seen Rachel Smith fill up her water bottle with H2O. Unclear the drink preferences of Tawnya Rawlings, Rob Wood or Spencer Rammell. I'll investigate and report back. (For the record, regular Coke is my drink of choice).
Kauai Police Department Detective Colin Nesbitt is back on the stand. John Thomas will be conducting cross-examination.
Boyce is back on the bench and jurors have been brought in. Boyce says the lunch break was longer than normal because he had to work through some issues. Boyce says we will finish before 3 p.m. today. Tomorrow court will end at noon. Monday the typical schedule will resume.
Thomas asks Nesbitt what he was looking for when he served the warrant on Lori's car. He said to look for signs of the missing kids.
Thomas pulls up the photo showing the driver's side of the SUV. He asks Nesbitt to describe what he sees in the photo. The detective says he mainly sees Lori's purse. "You were looking for evidence of the kids. Did you collect any trace evidence in the car?" Thomas asks.
Nesbitt says he did not.
Thomas shows the photo of Tylee's credit card and asks if there was any trace evidence on or near the card. Nesbitt says he does not know. There are hairs in the photo.
Thomas says, "If you were looking for a child, isn't that something you would try and collect?" Nesbitt says yes - but he did not collect them in this case.
Thomas shows a photo of one of the bags found in the car where the important documents were kept. The next image shows the belongings that were in the bag including the "Visions of Glory" book, two iPads, papers and folders.
Thomas shows a photo of some of the birth certificates and other documents. Nesbitt says all evidence collected was photographed.
Thomas shows a photo of the patriarchal blessing. It's the top page of the blessing. Thomas asks if this was the only page in the bag or if there were several pages. Nesbitt does not recall if there were more pages.
Thomas shows the photo of an envelope full of money. Nesbitt says there was between $5,000-$5,500 in the envelope.
Thomas has no further questions. Smith will re-direct.
Smith asks Nesbitt if there were any signs that children were staying at the condo in Hawaii. He says no. Smith asks how many bikes were in Chad and Lori's vehicle. Nesbitt asks to see the photo again. There is one adult bike in the cargo area.
There was no evidence that children were in the car and when police stopped them, there were no kids. There wasn't even a place for a kid to sit in the car because the bike was spread out.
Nesbitt said he never saw any evidence that children were with Chad and Lori. Smith has no further questions and Nesbitt is released to return to Hawaii.
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State witness: Detective Colin Nesbitt, with the Kauai Police Dept. / Part 2
Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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9h
We are back in the courtroom. Attorneys are meeting with Judge Boyce in chambers. Lori is at her table with back the audience writing in her notebook.
Personal observation: Coke seems to be the drink of choice in the courtroom. I've seen Jim Archibald and John Thomas with bottles of Coke Zero (but Archibald makes regular visits to the water cooler). Lori is drinking from a can of regular Coke today.
Prosecutor Lindsey Blake has a can of Coke. I've seen Rachel Smith fill up her water bottle with H2O. Unclear the drink preferences of Tawnya Rawlings, Rob Wood or Spencer Rammell. I'll investigate and report back. (For the record, regular Coke is my drink of choice).
Kauai Police Department Detective Colin Nesbitt is back on the stand. John Thomas will be conducting cross-examination.
Boyce is back on the bench and jurors have been brought in. Boyce says the lunch break was longer than normal because he had to work through some issues. Boyce says we will finish before 3 p.m. today. Tomorrow court will end at noon. Monday the typical schedule will resume.
Thomas asks Nesbitt what he was looking for when he served the warrant on Lori's car. He said to look for signs of the missing kids.
Thomas pulls up the photo showing the driver's side of the SUV. He asks Nesbitt to describe what he sees in the photo. The detective says he mainly sees Lori's purse. "You were looking for evidence of the kids. Did you collect any trace evidence in the car?" Thomas asks.
Nesbitt says he did not.
Thomas shows the photo of Tylee's credit card and asks if there was any trace evidence on or near the card. Nesbitt says he does not know. There are hairs in the photo.
Thomas says, "If you were looking for a child, isn't that something you would try and collect?" Nesbitt says yes - but he did not collect them in this case.
Thomas shows a photo of one of the bags found in the car where the important documents were kept. The next image shows the belongings that were in the bag including the "Visions of Glory" book, two iPads, papers and folders.
Thomas shows a photo of some of the birth certificates and other documents. Nesbitt says all evidence collected was photographed.
Thomas shows a photo of the patriarchal blessing. It's the top page of the blessing. Thomas asks if this was the only page in the bag or if there were several pages. Nesbitt does not recall if there were more pages.
Thomas shows the photo of an envelope full of money. Nesbitt says there was between $5,000-$5,500 in the envelope.
Thomas has no further questions. Smith will re-direct.
Smith asks Nesbitt if there were any signs that children were staying at the condo in Hawaii. He says no. Smith asks how many bikes were in Chad and Lori's vehicle. Nesbitt asks to see the photo again. There is one adult bike in the cargo area.
There was no evidence that children were in the car and when police stopped them, there were no kids. There wasn't even a place for a kid to sit in the car because the bike was spread out.
Nesbitt said he never saw any evidence that children were with Chad and Lori. Smith has no further questions and Nesbitt is released to return to Hawaii.
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State witness: Gilbert Police Officer Ryan Pillar.
Nate Eaton
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8h
The next witness is Officer Ryan Pillar. He has been a police officer with the Gilbert Police Department in Feb. 2007. Thomas objects to having Pillar on the stand based on Idaho Rule 404b. Boyce overrules the objection.
Pillar explains his professional background. In 2016, he moved to the special victims unit. In 2019, he moved to the bio-crimes unit where he was responsible for investigating violent crimes like robberies and homicide. In 2021, Pillar moved back to the patrol.
Pillar recalls that on Oct. 2, 2019, he was in a meeting with other detectives when they learned of a shooting. Pillar and his unit went out to the scene. Police had put up yellow tape. There was a black Tesla registered to Brandon Boudreaux. Brandon was at the scene.
Pillar was assigned to the primary investigator.
Pillar interviewed Brandon. Brandon said he left his home with four kids that morning. He dropped three off at home and took the last child to Melani's house. Brandon then went to the gym with his friends.
"After he returned home, he was shot at and then we conducted a canvas of the area. We spoke with neighbors, collected Ring footage and ultimately confirmed that there was a Jeep that was idling in front of Mr. Boudreax's residence for approximately 1.5 hours."
The wheel that was normally attached to the back of a Jeep Wrangler was gone, according to witnesses. The back window cannot open all the way if the wheel is gone, Pillar says. Ring footage and witnesses reported a gunshot at 9:14 a.m.
A bullethole was found in the front driver's side door of the Tesla. Some of the projective fragments were recovered.
There were shards of glass in the road where Brandon was shot at, Pillar says. There was no evidence that Brandon had any enemies but Pillar learned Brandon was going through a divorce with his wife Melani.
Pillar also learned that Melani's aunt Lori Vallow and her brother Alex Cox were involved in a shooting that previous July (the shooting of Charles Vallow).
Pillar spoke with Chandler Police, the agency investigating Charles Vallow's shooting. They learned a gray Jeep was at the scene of that shooting.
Pillar checked a license plate reader system on the Jeep. It captured the Jeep traveling southbound on I-15 in Idaho Falls on Oct. 1, then it was captured in Arizona and then again back in Idaho Falls on Oct. 3.
"The license plate reader runs specifically off the license plate number itself," Pillar says.
After receiving the license plate reader information, Pillar reached out to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office and the Rexburg Police Department. Pillar became aware of Tammy Daybell's death and police assumed the Jeep was in Fremont County/Rexburg.
Pillar spoke with the coroner in Fremont County to find out how death investigations work in the county - particularly Tammy Daybell's death. Pillar wanted to find the Jeep and the suspect - Alex Cox.
Pillar completed cell tower/cell phone search warrants and one of the phones Alex was using was parked near Brandon's residence during the time of the shooting and then left the area shortly thereafter for Idaho.
After talking with Chandler Police about their homicide and the attempted homicide in Gilbert, the FBI was contacted. The focus then turned to finding JJ and Tylee.
Pillar describes how Rexburg police went to the apartment complex to try and find JJ and Tylee. "They were successful in contacting Alex, Chad and Lori but were unsuccessful in locating the children," Pillar says.
Pillar shares how police were told that JJ was with Melanie Gibb in Gilbert. Pillar and his detective partner went to two homes where Melanie Gibb lived. She was not at either location. Pillar tried to call Gibb.
She didn't answer but she called him back and said she was not in Arizona. Pillar set up pole cameras at Gibb's house that record all activity.
In November and December 2019, none of the law enforcement agencies were able to find any evidence of the kids. They spoke with Colby Ryan and he didn't know where the kids were.
The shooting into Brandon Boudreaux continued. The rest of his vehicle was processed for evidence. Pillar and a few other detectives flew to Rexburg to process the Jeep after it had been seized.
Photos, biological evidence and gunshot residue evidence was collected. The gunshot residue was collected at the back of the Jeep.
Pillar needs to refer to his notes after Smith asks him about a particular date. Defense attorneys reviewing the notes.
On Nov. 26, police conducted a welfare check on the children in Rexburg. That night Melanie Gibb called Pillar. On Nov. 27, police conducted an extensive search of the properties where Melani, Alex and Lori were living.
Pillar received data on Tylee Ryan's phone. It was used in Arizona and Idaho but in December, it showed up in Hawaii. It also popped up in Missouri for a brief time.
Pillar says Brandon and Melani had a life insurance policy that each of them would need to sign in order to cancel the policy.
The policy was still active at the time of the shooting and if Brandon had died, Melani would have received over $200,000. Melani also received a payout from the divorce proceedings.
Pillar says there were several Venmo exchanges made between Lori, Chad, Alex and Melani. There wre also text messages talking about cash exchanges.
Smith has no further questions. Thomas says all of the testimony today should be exempt because of Idaho rule 404b. He has no questions.
The defense objected to having Pillar say how much money Melani received after the divorce settlement. Boyce sustained the objection. I've learned Melani received $300,000.
Pillar is dismissed from the stand. The state has no further witnesses today. The witness tomorrow morning will be lengthy, Smith says. Jurors will be excused for the day. We will have a 15-minute break and then an evidentiary hearing will be held outside the presence of the jury
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State witness: Gilbert Police Officer Ryan Pillar.
Nate Eaton
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8h
The next witness is Officer Ryan Pillar. He has been a police officer with the Gilbert Police Department in Feb. 2007. Thomas objects to having Pillar on the stand based on Idaho Rule 404b. Boyce overrules the objection.
Pillar explains his professional background. In 2016, he moved to the special victims unit. In 2019, he moved to the bio-crimes unit where he was responsible for investigating violent crimes like robberies and homicide. In 2021, Pillar moved back to the patrol.
Pillar recalls that on Oct. 2, 2019, he was in a meeting with other detectives when they learned of a shooting. Pillar and his unit went out to the scene. Police had put up yellow tape. There was a black Tesla registered to Brandon Boudreaux. Brandon was at the scene.
Pillar was assigned to the primary investigator.
Pillar interviewed Brandon. Brandon said he left his home with four kids that morning. He dropped three off at home and took the last child to Melani's house. Brandon then went to the gym with his friends.
"After he returned home, he was shot at and then we conducted a canvas of the area. We spoke with neighbors, collected Ring footage and ultimately confirmed that there was a Jeep that was idling in front of Mr. Boudreax's residence for approximately 1.5 hours."
The wheel that was normally attached to the back of a Jeep Wrangler was gone, according to witnesses. The back window cannot open all the way if the wheel is gone, Pillar says. Ring footage and witnesses reported a gunshot at 9:14 a.m.
A bullethole was found in the front driver's side door of the Tesla. Some of the projective fragments were recovered.
There were shards of glass in the road where Brandon was shot at, Pillar says. There was no evidence that Brandon had any enemies but Pillar learned Brandon was going through a divorce with his wife Melani.
Pillar also learned that Melani's aunt Lori Vallow and her brother Alex Cox were involved in a shooting that previous July (the shooting of Charles Vallow).
Pillar spoke with Chandler Police, the agency investigating Charles Vallow's shooting. They learned a gray Jeep was at the scene of that shooting.
Pillar checked a license plate reader system on the Jeep. It captured the Jeep traveling southbound on I-15 in Idaho Falls on Oct. 1, then it was captured in Arizona and then again back in Idaho Falls on Oct. 3.
"The license plate reader runs specifically off the license plate number itself," Pillar says.
After receiving the license plate reader information, Pillar reached out to the Fremont County Sheriff's Office and the Rexburg Police Department. Pillar became aware of Tammy Daybell's death and police assumed the Jeep was in Fremont County/Rexburg.
Pillar spoke with the coroner in Fremont County to find out how death investigations work in the county - particularly Tammy Daybell's death. Pillar wanted to find the Jeep and the suspect - Alex Cox.
Pillar completed cell tower/cell phone search warrants and one of the phones Alex was using was parked near Brandon's residence during the time of the shooting and then left the area shortly thereafter for Idaho.
After talking with Chandler Police about their homicide and the attempted homicide in Gilbert, the FBI was contacted. The focus then turned to finding JJ and Tylee.
Pillar describes how Rexburg police went to the apartment complex to try and find JJ and Tylee. "They were successful in contacting Alex, Chad and Lori but were unsuccessful in locating the children," Pillar says.
Pillar shares how police were told that JJ was with Melanie Gibb in Gilbert. Pillar and his detective partner went to two homes where Melanie Gibb lived. She was not at either location. Pillar tried to call Gibb.
She didn't answer but she called him back and said she was not in Arizona. Pillar set up pole cameras at Gibb's house that record all activity.
In November and December 2019, none of the law enforcement agencies were able to find any evidence of the kids. They spoke with Colby Ryan and he didn't know where the kids were.
The shooting into Brandon Boudreaux continued. The rest of his vehicle was processed for evidence. Pillar and a few other detectives flew to Rexburg to process the Jeep after it had been seized.
Photos, biological evidence and gunshot residue evidence was collected. The gunshot residue was collected at the back of the Jeep.
Pillar needs to refer to his notes after Smith asks him about a particular date. Defense attorneys reviewing the notes.
On Nov. 26, police conducted a welfare check on the children in Rexburg. That night Melanie Gibb called Pillar. On Nov. 27, police conducted an extensive search of the properties where Melani, Alex and Lori were living.
Pillar received data on Tylee Ryan's phone. It was used in Arizona and Idaho but in December, it showed up in Hawaii. It also popped up in Missouri for a brief time.
Pillar says Brandon and Melani had a life insurance policy that each of them would need to sign in order to cancel the policy.
The policy was still active at the time of the shooting and if Brandon had died, Melani would have received over $200,000. Melani also received a payout from the divorce proceedings.
Pillar says there were several Venmo exchanges made between Lori, Chad, Alex and Melani. There wre also text messages talking about cash exchanges.
Smith has no further questions. Thomas says all of the testimony today should be exempt because of Idaho rule 404b. He has no questions.
The defense objected to having Pillar say how much money Melani received after the divorce settlement. Boyce sustained the objection. I've learned Melani received $300,000.
Pillar is dismissed from the stand. The state has no further witnesses today. The witness tomorrow morning will be lengthy, Smith says. Jurors will be excused for the day. We will have a 15-minute break and then an evidentiary hearing will be held outside the presence of the jury
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Without Jurors - Evidentiary Hearing
Nate Eaton
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7h
We are waiting for Judge Boyce to come back into the courtroom for the evidentiary hearing. Defense attorneys and prosecutors are at their tables ready to go.
Boyce is on the bench. He says he has a proposed demonstrative or summary exhibit for an upcoming witness. The defense objects to the exhibit. Boyce will now hear argument and make a ruling.
Rachel Smith says the exhibit is from Douglas Hart, the former FBI Special Agent who ran criminal investigations for several counties in southern Idaho.
He supervised the agents who did criminal investigations in Idaho. Hart retired in 2022 and is now the Chief Deputy for Canyon County. He would be testifying as to his ongoing role in the Daybell investigation.
Hart has reviewed every report done by any member of the FBI in this case. "He was an integral part of the partnership by these equal agencies." The state wants him to testify as to the findings to did and the exhibit is a summary of the iCloud accounts of Lori Vallow.
In just one of Lori's accounts, there were 23,000 pages of documents. Smith says there are over 100,000 points of data, text or records. The state does not want to print them all and hand them to the jury so Hart created a summary document.
Hart found common topics and themes that help him present his findings. It will make it easier to present his documents in summary, Smith says.
Smith says it is a fairly lengthy exhibit - mainly because the font is large - but it will help Hart go quickly through the documents. Archibald has reviewed the exhibit and wants the report and witness excluded. "This report was emailed to us on May 2 at 5:49 p.m.
This is a common practice of the state in this case to get us all their reports and get us a summary the day before their testimonies."
Archibald says Hart has prepared the witnesses, worked with them and helped them get ready for trial. Archibald learned about this when the FBI was setting up "witness prep meetings."
"They were set up by Doug Hart to go over witness prep so Doug Hart is extensively involved in this case as the state has just informed the court. When we found out he was interviewing all of the witnesses, we asked for a recording..
.The FBI doesn't record it is what we were told." Archibald said they were told nobody recorded these witness prep meetings.
Archibald says Special Agent Doug Hart is sitting in on all the witness interviews and "now they want to put him on the stand to testify. That violates our exclusionary rule. He has done exactly what we don't want witnesses to do."
Archibald says the report contains argument and the state's theory of the case - not data.
Archibald lists examples from the exhibit that he says is argument - not a summary. "What we have here essentially is the FBI saying: State of Idaho prosecutors, here is your closing argument. Here is how you sell this to the jury.
Here is our evidence. Here is our argument and we are going to disguise this as a summary so the jury can read it."
Archibald says he is very concerned if Hart testifies because he's talked to "I don't know how many witnesses." Archibald asks that he be excluded and if the court will not exclude him, Archibald asks the summary be excluded.
Boyce asks Smith to confirm that the defense received the exhibit on Tuesday right before 6 p.m. She confirms that's when it was sent. Smith says had the state done preparation with just a prosecutor present, the defense would want those witnesses excluded too.
"Discovery is ongoing. We had the officer or agent involved in the investigation sit in with witnesses to make sure they were ready and able to follow court rules."
Smith says nobody has discussed testimony with Hart that occurred in the courtroom. "What he did in anticipation of his testimony is different than what came into the courtroom - he can't comment on what somebody else said or did.
What his testimony will be able in this case is about the work he did on the iCloud and how it fits into the overall investigation. That was his job. He did this work."
Smith says the document summarizes voluminous records and a vast amount of information so the jurors can understand. "We can not ask this jury to sift through 100,000 records without some sort of reference."
Boyce addresses the defense arguing Hart violated the exclusionary rule. Boyce says that applies only to witness testimony so he does not believe Hart violated the order.
"That's something he can address on the stand if the defense believes he has violated the order." The witness will not be excluded from testifying.
Boyce says Idaho rules allow a witness to use summary charts/exhibits while testifying. However, Boyce says the exhibit will be excluded because of its size and volume.
"It's a 160-page exhibit. It's not fair to have the defense need to be able to go back through what everybody concedes is a huge amount of information" when they received it Tuesday. Boyce also says the exhibit is a "closing argument Powerpoint"
and appears Hart is "editorializing on the evidence" - which would not be appropriate for a witness.
So Hart can testify but he can't use his 160-page exhibit during the testimony, Boyce rules. The state can submit a follow-up exhibit with all of the argumentative language removed and Boyce may allow that in.
Smith says the exhibit will be revised. Boyce says timeliness is a concern for the defense - they need enough time to review it.
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Without Jurors - Evidentiary Hearing
Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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7h
We are waiting for Judge Boyce to come back into the courtroom for the evidentiary hearing. Defense attorneys and prosecutors are at their tables ready to go.
Boyce is on the bench. He says he has a proposed demonstrative or summary exhibit for an upcoming witness. The defense objects to the exhibit. Boyce will now hear argument and make a ruling.
Rachel Smith says the exhibit is from Douglas Hart, the former FBI Special Agent who ran criminal investigations for several counties in southern Idaho.
He supervised the agents who did criminal investigations in Idaho. Hart retired in 2022 and is now the Chief Deputy for Canyon County. He would be testifying as to his ongoing role in the Daybell investigation.
Hart has reviewed every report done by any member of the FBI in this case. "He was an integral part of the partnership by these equal agencies." The state wants him to testify as to the findings to did and the exhibit is a summary of the iCloud accounts of Lori Vallow.
In just one of Lori's accounts, there were 23,000 pages of documents. Smith says there are over 100,000 points of data, text or records. The state does not want to print them all and hand them to the jury so Hart created a summary document.
Hart found common topics and themes that help him present his findings. It will make it easier to present his documents in summary, Smith says.
Smith says it is a fairly lengthy exhibit - mainly because the font is large - but it will help Hart go quickly through the documents. Archibald has reviewed the exhibit and wants the report and witness excluded. "This report was emailed to us on May 2 at 5:49 p.m.
This is a common practice of the state in this case to get us all their reports and get us a summary the day before their testimonies."
Archibald says Hart has prepared the witnesses, worked with them and helped them get ready for trial. Archibald learned about this when the FBI was setting up "witness prep meetings."
"They were set up by Doug Hart to go over witness prep so Doug Hart is extensively involved in this case as the state has just informed the court. When we found out he was interviewing all of the witnesses, we asked for a recording..
.The FBI doesn't record it is what we were told." Archibald said they were told nobody recorded these witness prep meetings.
Archibald says Special Agent Doug Hart is sitting in on all the witness interviews and "now they want to put him on the stand to testify. That violates our exclusionary rule. He has done exactly what we don't want witnesses to do."
Archibald says the report contains argument and the state's theory of the case - not data.
Archibald lists examples from the exhibit that he says is argument - not a summary. "What we have here essentially is the FBI saying: State of Idaho prosecutors, here is your closing argument. Here is how you sell this to the jury.
Here is our evidence. Here is our argument and we are going to disguise this as a summary so the jury can read it."
Archibald says he is very concerned if Hart testifies because he's talked to "I don't know how many witnesses." Archibald asks that he be excluded and if the court will not exclude him, Archibald asks the summary be excluded.
Boyce asks Smith to confirm that the defense received the exhibit on Tuesday right before 6 p.m. She confirms that's when it was sent. Smith says had the state done preparation with just a prosecutor present, the defense would want those witnesses excluded too.
"Discovery is ongoing. We had the officer or agent involved in the investigation sit in with witnesses to make sure they were ready and able to follow court rules."
Smith says nobody has discussed testimony with Hart that occurred in the courtroom. "What he did in anticipation of his testimony is different than what came into the courtroom - he can't comment on what somebody else said or did.
What his testimony will be able in this case is about the work he did on the iCloud and how it fits into the overall investigation. That was his job. He did this work."
Smith says the document summarizes voluminous records and a vast amount of information so the jurors can understand. "We can not ask this jury to sift through 100,000 records without some sort of reference."
Boyce addresses the defense arguing Hart violated the exclusionary rule. Boyce says that applies only to witness testimony so he does not believe Hart violated the order.
"That's something he can address on the stand if the defense believes he has violated the order." The witness will not be excluded from testifying.
Boyce says Idaho rules allow a witness to use summary charts/exhibits while testifying. However, Boyce says the exhibit will be excluded because of its size and volume.
"It's a 160-page exhibit. It's not fair to have the defense need to be able to go back through what everybody concedes is a huge amount of information" when they received it Tuesday. Boyce also says the exhibit is a "closing argument Powerpoint"
and appears Hart is "editorializing on the evidence" - which would not be appropriate for a witness.
So Hart can testify but he can't use his 160-page exhibit during the testimony, Boyce rules. The state can submit a follow-up exhibit with all of the argumentative language removed and Boyce may allow that in.
Smith says the exhibit will be revised. Boyce says timeliness is a concern for the defense - they need enough time to review it.
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Status conference hearing for Chad Daybell.
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7h
NEW THREAD: A status conference is being held in Chad Daybell's case. John Prior, his attorney, and prosecutors are in the Ada County Courthouse. Chad will join via Zoom from the Fremont County Jail. I will post live updates as the hearing begins.
Jim Archibald & John Prior have swapped seats. Archibald watching the proceedings from the audience and Prior is setting up at the defense table. Waiting on Judge Boyce to enter the courtroom. Lori Daybell is not here. She was taken from the courtroom back to the Ada County Jail
This hearing is being held in the same courtroom with Judge Boyce. Court personnel are working on getting the Zoom feed from the Fremont County Jail.
We see Chad on the big screen in the courtroom. He is dressed in a white shirt and tie.
Boyce asks defense attorneys and prosecutors for input on when Chad's trial should be scheduled.
Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake says the trial will take eight weeks and will defer to the court on schedule but Blake asks to keep witness schedules and holidays in mind.
Blake says if the jury questionnaire process is the same at Lori's, the trial could go into nine weeks. Also acting in the mitigation/death penalty phase, nine weeks would be safer.
Boyce asks Prior when he thinks the trial should be held. Prior says he plans to call 7-8 experts to the stand and will need an entire transcript of Lori Daybell's trial.
Prior says he doesn't want to run into discovery issues and says Chad will need time to go over the entire audio of Lori's trial.
Prior says he predicts the trial will take 10-12 weeks including time to pick the jury, time for prosecutors and defense, and the mitigation phase. Prior asks to hold the trial in May 2024.
Prior says he's been working well with prosecutors and they have offered to put all of the evidence on one hard drive to make it easier for him and his experts.
Boyce asks Prior when all the DNA will be tested. Prior says it will take 60 days from when he tests it. Prior says it hasn't been tested yet because he needs to get with Rob Wood to set up parameters.
Blake has some concerns if the trial is scheduled in the fall as there could be some issues with holidays. Prior says the fall will be problematic for him. Boyce will take the requests under advisement and will set the trial date "fairly soon" after speaking with the attorneys.
One of the prosecutors has an event next May so prosecutors ask if Boyce is considering next year, June would be preferred. Blake says the state is not opposed to having the trial earlier. The months of March, April and May are problematic.
Prior says he is fine with having the trial in June 2024. Nothing else in this hearing. Court is adjourned.
additional tweets:
Many of you have asked what happened to Melani Pawlowski today. She had been in Boise this week and her name was brought up in court yesterday as a witness. Then she suddenly departed.
Tonight I spoke with Josh Garner, her Idaho attorney. He tells me Melani and Ian arrived Monday afternoon in anticipation of testifying on Tuesday. They went to the courthouse around 1 p.m. and waited to be called. Around 3 p.m., they were told they could go back to their hotel.
The next day (Wednesday) they went back to the courthouse at 10 a.m. Ian was called to testify that afternoon. Proceedings ended at 3:30 p.m. and Melani was told by the prosecutors that she could go home to Arizona.
Melani was told she might be called back to testify and remains under subpoena. Garner says she has not been held in contempt of court and is not in trouble.
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Status conference hearing for Chad Daybell.
Nate Eaton
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NEW THREAD: A status conference is being held in Chad Daybell's case. John Prior, his attorney, and prosecutors are in the Ada County Courthouse. Chad will join via Zoom from the Fremont County Jail. I will post live updates as the hearing begins.
Jim Archibald & John Prior have swapped seats. Archibald watching the proceedings from the audience and Prior is setting up at the defense table. Waiting on Judge Boyce to enter the courtroom. Lori Daybell is not here. She was taken from the courtroom back to the Ada County Jail
This hearing is being held in the same courtroom with Judge Boyce. Court personnel are working on getting the Zoom feed from the Fremont County Jail.
We see Chad on the big screen in the courtroom. He is dressed in a white shirt and tie.
Boyce asks defense attorneys and prosecutors for input on when Chad's trial should be scheduled.
Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake says the trial will take eight weeks and will defer to the court on schedule but Blake asks to keep witness schedules and holidays in mind.
Blake says if the jury questionnaire process is the same at Lori's, the trial could go into nine weeks. Also acting in the mitigation/death penalty phase, nine weeks would be safer.
Boyce asks Prior when he thinks the trial should be held. Prior says he plans to call 7-8 experts to the stand and will need an entire transcript of Lori Daybell's trial.
Prior says he doesn't want to run into discovery issues and says Chad will need time to go over the entire audio of Lori's trial.
Prior says he predicts the trial will take 10-12 weeks including time to pick the jury, time for prosecutors and defense, and the mitigation phase. Prior asks to hold the trial in May 2024.
Prior says he's been working well with prosecutors and they have offered to put all of the evidence on one hard drive to make it easier for him and his experts.
Boyce asks Prior when all the DNA will be tested. Prior says it will take 60 days from when he tests it. Prior says it hasn't been tested yet because he needs to get with Rob Wood to set up parameters.
Blake has some concerns if the trial is scheduled in the fall as there could be some issues with holidays. Prior says the fall will be problematic for him. Boyce will take the requests under advisement and will set the trial date "fairly soon" after speaking with the attorneys.
One of the prosecutors has an event next May so prosecutors ask if Boyce is considering next year, June would be preferred. Blake says the state is not opposed to having the trial earlier. The months of March, April and May are problematic.
Prior says he is fine with having the trial in June 2024. Nothing else in this hearing. Court is adjourned.
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Many of you have asked what happened to Melani Pawlowski today. She had been in Boise this week and her name was brought up in court yesterday as a witness. Then she suddenly departed.
Tonight I spoke with Josh Garner, her Idaho attorney. He tells me Melani and Ian arrived Monday afternoon in anticipation of testifying on Tuesday. They went to the courthouse around 1 p.m. and waited to be called. Around 3 p.m., they were told they could go back to their hotel.
The next day (Wednesday) they went back to the courthouse at 10 a.m. Ian was called to testify that afternoon. Proceedings ended at 3:30 p.m. and Melani was told by the prosecutors that she could go home to Arizona.
Melani was told she might be called back to testify and remains under subpoena. Garner says she has not been held in contempt of court and is not in trouble.
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Friday, May 5th:
*Trial continues (Day 18) (@ 8:30am – 12pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted & charged (5/25/21) & re-arraigned (4/19/22) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4 (for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). Plead not guilty. DA will seek DP. Was transferred to Ada County jail on 3/22/23. Fremont County
Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
Resisting or obstructing LE, solicitation of a crime & contempt of court. All charges were dismissed on 1/3/22. Madison County
Trial began on 4/3/23 with jury selection & ended 4/7/23. 12 jurors & 6 alternates (10 men & 8 women).
Trial began on 4/10/23 (thru 6/9/23) @ 8:30am to 3:30pm. Trial will be held in Ada County. (will last about 10 weeks) Trials have been severed.
Arrest & Grand Jury & Competency & Court info from 3/5/20 thru 3/30/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-5 (4/3-4/7/23) & Trial Day 1-16 (4/10-5/3/23) reference post #280 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-14
5/4/23 Thursday, Trial Day 17: State witness: Ian Pawlowski, Lori's nephew-in-law continues on stand for cross-exam.
For more info see post #396 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-20
State witness: Taylor Ballard, Health insurance broker.
For more info see post #400 [pg 20] & 425 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-22
State witness: Angela Yancey, worked at Sugar Salem School District as payroll & benefits administrator.
For more info see post #440 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-22
State witness: Detective Colin Nesbitt, with the Kauai Police Dept.
For more info see post #465 [pg 24] & 501 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
State witness: Gilbert Police Officer Ryan Pillar.
For more info see post #502 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
Without Jurors - Evidentiary Hearing.
For more info see post #503 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
Trial continues on Friday, 5/5/23 @ 8:30am and will end today at 12 noon.
*Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) – Pretrial motions hearing on 3/2/23. Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 was vacated.
*Trial continues (Day 18) (@ 8:30am – 12pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted & charged (5/25/21) & re-arraigned (4/19/22) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4 (for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). Plead not guilty. DA will seek DP. Was transferred to Ada County jail on 3/22/23. Fremont County
Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
Resisting or obstructing LE, solicitation of a crime & contempt of court. All charges were dismissed on 1/3/22. Madison County
Trial began on 4/3/23 with jury selection & ended 4/7/23. 12 jurors & 6 alternates (10 men & 8 women).
Trial began on 4/10/23 (thru 6/9/23) @ 8:30am to 3:30pm. Trial will be held in Ada County. (will last about 10 weeks) Trials have been severed.
Arrest & Grand Jury & Competency & Court info from 3/5/20 thru 3/30/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-5 (4/3-4/7/23) & Trial Day 1-16 (4/10-5/3/23) reference post #280 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-14
5/4/23 Thursday, Trial Day 17: State witness: Ian Pawlowski, Lori's nephew-in-law continues on stand for cross-exam.
For more info see post #396 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-20
State witness: Taylor Ballard, Health insurance broker.
For more info see post #400 [pg 20] & 425 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-22
State witness: Angela Yancey, worked at Sugar Salem School District as payroll & benefits administrator.
For more info see post #440 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-22
State witness: Detective Colin Nesbitt, with the Kauai Police Dept.
For more info see post #465 [pg 24] & 501 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
State witness: Gilbert Police Officer Ryan Pillar.
For more info see post #502 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
Without Jurors - Evidentiary Hearing.
For more info see post #503 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
Trial continues on Friday, 5/5/23 @ 8:30am and will end today at 12 noon.
*Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) – Pretrial motions hearing on 3/2/23. Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 was vacated.
Oh honey, it's all the rage in women's county jails in Idaho! Where have you been lol?
Starting with a better husband.
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I shall go ahead & post this since he did have a status conference hearing - so I can shorten it up a bit -
Thursday, May 4th:
*Status Conference Hearing (@ pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) & Tamara “Tammy” Michelle Douglas Daybell (49) (died on Oct. 19, 2019 at her residence in Salem, ID; dob 5/4/70). – *Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4 (for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP. Fremont County
Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 has been severed from Vallow with no further dates. Trial will be held in Ada County. Trial tentatively scheduled for June, 2024.
Previous charges, Grand jury indictment & Court info from 6/10/20 thru 2/23/23 reference post #509 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-67.655419/page-26
2/27/23 Update: Daybell & Vallow appeared via Zoom, also defense attorney John Prior on Zoom. Prosecutors Lindsey Blake, Rob Wood & Rachel Smith were in attendance along with Jim Archibald & John Thomas. Shortly after the proceedings started, Judge Boyce said the new report may or may not be admitted into evidence. Because of that, he called for a portion of the hearing to be held privately without members of the public as it would prejudice a jury. Attorney Prior objected to the hearing begin closed. Judge Steven Boyce said the purpose of the hearing is to discuss a report about the DNA evidence. Judge Boyce says the State just received a report today, 2/27/23 on DNA evidence & because of that, today's hearing is continued until Thursday, 3/2/23 @ 9:30am. The next hearing scheduled in the case is a pretrial conference on 3/9/23.
3/2/23 Update: Daybell & his lawyer John Prior are on Zoom. Lori & her attorney Jim Archibald are in the courtroom. John Prior is arguing that he will need at least 60 days to get the DNA testing done on the most recent report received on Tuesday during the last hearing. Judge Boyce: "If I force a continuance here, then I have to violate Vallow's right to a speedy trial. Judge Boyce will sever the Vallow/Daybell trial. The 4/3/23 trial date will be vacated for Daybell. No pretrial hearing for Chad on 3/9/23.
For more info see posts #511, 515, 516 & 520 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-67.655419/page-26
And posts #527, 528 & 532 here:
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Next status conference hearing on 5/4/23.
5/4/23 Update: After Lori’s trial on Thursday, a status conference was held for Daybell. Judge & attorneys discussed when his trial will be able to start. John Prior & Daybell via zoom attended meeting. One of the prosecutors has an event next May so prosecutors ask if Boyce is considering next year, June would be preferred. Blake says the state is not opposed to having the trial earlier. The months of March, April and May are problematic. Prior says he is fine with having the trial in June 2024.
For more info see post #504 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) – Fremont County: Trial on going started on 4/10/23.
Thursday, May 4th:
*Status Conference Hearing (@ pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) & Tamara “Tammy” Michelle Douglas Daybell (49) (died on Oct. 19, 2019 at her residence in Salem, ID; dob 5/4/70). – *Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4 (for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP. Fremont County
Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 has been severed from Vallow with no further dates. Trial will be held in Ada County. Trial tentatively scheduled for June, 2024.
Previous charges, Grand jury indictment & Court info from 6/10/20 thru 2/23/23 reference post #509 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-67.655419/page-26
2/27/23 Update: Daybell & Vallow appeared via Zoom, also defense attorney John Prior on Zoom. Prosecutors Lindsey Blake, Rob Wood & Rachel Smith were in attendance along with Jim Archibald & John Thomas. Shortly after the proceedings started, Judge Boyce said the new report may or may not be admitted into evidence. Because of that, he called for a portion of the hearing to be held privately without members of the public as it would prejudice a jury. Attorney Prior objected to the hearing begin closed. Judge Steven Boyce said the purpose of the hearing is to discuss a report about the DNA evidence. Judge Boyce says the State just received a report today, 2/27/23 on DNA evidence & because of that, today's hearing is continued until Thursday, 3/2/23 @ 9:30am. The next hearing scheduled in the case is a pretrial conference on 3/9/23.
3/2/23 Update: Daybell & his lawyer John Prior are on Zoom. Lori & her attorney Jim Archibald are in the courtroom. John Prior is arguing that he will need at least 60 days to get the DNA testing done on the most recent report received on Tuesday during the last hearing. Judge Boyce: "If I force a continuance here, then I have to violate Vallow's right to a speedy trial. Judge Boyce will sever the Vallow/Daybell trial. The 4/3/23 trial date will be vacated for Daybell. No pretrial hearing for Chad on 3/9/23.
For more info see posts #511, 515, 516 & 520 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-67.655419/page-26
And posts #527, 528 & 532 here:
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Next status conference hearing on 5/4/23.
5/4/23 Update: After Lori’s trial on Thursday, a status conference was held for Daybell. Judge & attorneys discussed when his trial will be able to start. John Prior & Daybell via zoom attended meeting. One of the prosecutors has an event next May so prosecutors ask if Boyce is considering next year, June would be preferred. Blake says the state is not opposed to having the trial earlier. The months of March, April and May are problematic. Prior says he is fine with having the trial in June 2024.
For more info see post #504 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-73.676467/page-26
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) – Fremont County: Trial on going started on 4/10/23.
I found her testimony strange but not necessarily not believable. In all other testimony and other things we've heard Lori uses a relatively small set of word, "dark," "possessed", etc. But AB quotes her saying "wrap satan in a taco and send him to Antarctica." That's just inconsistent with everything else. Same with the death threat - inconsistent. It could be that it is wrong or maybe Lori just saw AB as especially weak or impressionable and therefore treated her differently.
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Seems we're going in a different direction from here on out. Oh goodie
Yeah, in my days the term was that she was pursuing her MRS.
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It was Ian who said she made the comment about the taco, which does not seem like anything else I can think of her saying, but I think the death threat is consistent. She also threatened to kill Joe Ryan and Charles (and probably more that we don't know about).
No, the defense does not have to prove anything nor do they have to give a different theory that is plausible. If the do not believe the prosecution proved the required elements of the crime the defense can rest without presenting any case at all. I don't think that will happen here but I think it is important that no one thinks the defense must prove anything!
In this case the prosecution must prove Lori's involvement in the actual deeds for the murder charges and I have not heard anyone here who thinks she did the actual killing herself except possibly JJ. For the conspiracy charges they must prove there was a conspiracy and Lori agreed to it. I think most of you think the state has proven that. I don't but I respect that it is reasonable to conclude there was a plan. I just think the lack of any evidence when there is solid evidence against Chad and Alex is enough for ME PERSONALLY to have reasonaable doubts.
I think the state has proven the case for grand theft and she will be convicted of that.
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<modsnip> The supposed threat against AB was specific (cut her up in tiny pieces) and uncharacteristic. I'm not saying I believe AB made it up. I just don't have enough evidence to decide. To me AB came across as a little sketchy as a witness, not necessarily a liar, but her not being forthcoming with information like that before the grand jury is a huge hit to her credibility in my mind.
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Several posters have suggested that Lori may have fired the 2nd bullet into Charles.
On the other hand, the longer Chad has to wait, the more stressed he may become. I could cope with that.
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