Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #51

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  1. Patch Tuesday

    Patch Tuesday Well-Known Member

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    Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

    I believe this is going to be a more complicated case than it looks on the surface. The children's mother (Lori Wallows) recently married a man (Chad Daybell) a few weeks after his wife died. It was presumed the late wife had died of natural causes but was exhumed recently and her death is now being investigated.
    The new wife's husband was shot in a family argument earlier this year:

    Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight

    The husband and wife are not cooperating with police and have since vanished.

    ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

    ID - Joshua Vallow & Tylee Ryan, Rexburg, Sept 2019 - TIMELINE ONLY *NO DISCUSSION*



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  2. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    I had not heard about that. That is good if they addressed him. It would be good if there is a link to any official statement the church may have put out regarding his member status?
     
  3. mommacass

    mommacass Verified family member

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    To my knowledge, and I've been involved since July 2019, there has never been an amber alert. The situation never fell under the guidelines of amber alert. IMO.
     
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    Therein lies a tale.

    Irritatingly, the unreliable British tabloid Daily Mail is often used as a source by MSM.

    The Daily Mail reported this in December:
    Man on the run with new wife was kicked out of the Mormon church for declaring himself a prophet | Daily Mail Online

    This caused youtube commenters in general to accept it as true. I grew suspicious cz no reliable outlets were reporting it. I contacted the Daily Mail’s claimed source, Cristina Rosetti. Her credentials:

    * PhD, Department of Religious Studies, University of California Riverside
    * Co-Chair, Religion in America, American Academy of Religion-Western Region
    * Editorial Advisory Board Member, Mormon Studies Review

    She confirmed the Daily Mail had misquoted her, as is their custom. What she told me is what I posted.

    Thank you for the welcome. I’ll start by looking up “TOS” in Websleuths Lingo.
     
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  5. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    That could be why then if they never formally announce anything in public.

    It is a little strange why they would want to keep it secret though if they kicked someone out because the kicked out person can go on claiming to be a member when they are really not and everyone thinks they are still a member if the organization does not counter it formally and publically.

    Oh well, he wont be able to attend any services from where he is going.
     
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    155etta Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone remember which of the three townhouses have NOT been rented back out? It was discussed a few threads back. MOO.
     
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    They haven't made an official statement. According to Indicolite22, that is their general policy.
     
  8. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    MOO

    I cannot even go there to think of such. I'm with the babysitter who was there the day that MG and MW arrived. And she said that Lori said she gave drugs to JJ to make him go to sleep. iirc

    My mind just cannot cannot go there that this wrapping was done when alive/conscious . Nope nope, can't go there. There was no struggling in my mind when his body was wrapped up.

    Also, it was never stated what position JJ was found. Tied up in a ball? Prone face up like burial? etc. We only know that the hands and feet and head were really wrapped up, but not the position that it was buried.

    Prayers for the Larry and Kay, and jurors, and anyone that are going to have to view such in a year or two.
     
  9. Forever Young

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    That is my understanding, too; but it is not exactly a secret either. You can still attend church, I believe, but excommunication is held much like a trial and is serious business. You do get a chance to rebut accusations on whatever it is that gets you into trouble. I doubt Chad had time to attend any tribunal, and I am betting that it just went through without much argument. Somehow, word leaks out to family and friends. At present there are many channels on YouTube where former members tell their stories about their excommunication.
     
  10. Kimmer

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    the first detective that testified at the prelim this week said that when they removed to rocks and wood he felt around and was able to feel the roundness of what he thought to be a skull, at that point a small blade was used to cut through the black plastic to then find a white bag with red drawstring handles around JJs head they then made another small incision in that bag and were able to see it was indeed JJ. So with that information being given I do believe JJ was found face up and from the testimony we know that there was ducktape on JJs face from ear to ear across his mouth. And then he had several layers of duck tape that went from his elbow down his arms to his hands and back up to the other elbow. He also said that when they got to his actual hands there was so much tape it looked like he was holding a ball of tape.
    I pray that they can find where all the tape was purchased but if they cannot I am sure there will be latent prints as well as fibers and hairs attached to the tape as well as both bags.
    That tape and bags may be forensic gold.
     
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    I just remembered something I meant to post in relation to the high resolution photo @vislaw provided on page 72 of the previous thread (Thread #50):

    In that photograph, there is a single set of tire tracks that comes in at the gate from the street in front of the house and then it travels between the pond and the barn and then the far outside of the large acreage and stops near the fence upon which visitors were later leaving various memorials for JJ and Tylee.

    I wonder whether those tire tracks were evident in any surveillance photos from anytime before the kids were buried there. If not, it may indicate that a vehicle was parked there on the critical day TR was burned and buried (to block potential viewing by any neighbors or passers by.)
     
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    Good catch!
     
  14. nodamselindistress

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    Just catching up....LV waived her prelim???

    I feel robbed. There must be something wrong with me. I really wanted to see her reactions to the descriptions of finding the bodies. I feel so disappointed.
     
  15. TexieLouWho21

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    MOO I wonder if thats what AxC bought at the convenience store, duct tape, when he left LVDs apartment that night. It was the night Tylee disappeared though, not JJ
    Unsealed court document details final days of Vallow children | KSLNewsRadio

    9:43 p.m. to 9:53 p.m. — Alex Cox visits the Maverik gas station on Main Street in Rexburg
    10:44 p.m. 50 11:15 p.m. — Alex Cox is at Lori Vallow’s apartment
     
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    It was Tylee

    Ok so you edited your comment where you had wondered if it was TR or JJ so now my post makes little sense!
     
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  17. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    @vislaw posted a high res after the recoveries were done.

    There is another photo that a person like vislaw published that was 2 hours after Chad's text. Vislaw post photo was after LE was there. I don't have it handy the one that was done 2 hours after Alex was at property, hoping someone else can assist. This is vislaws photo of after recovery. Perhaps vislaw or someone else has the one that was published 2 hours on the day of ... it

    https://www.visuallaw.net/aerial_reference.jpg post with high res at Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #50

    vislawarial.JPG
     
  18. Diddian

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    @Floppity has posted a link on page 14 of thread #44. It is satellite imagery and unfortunately has some cloud cover around the edges of the property, so the location of the tire tracks seen in the post-recovery photos provided by @vislaw cannot be observed. Dang it!

    Here's the link to the twitter post with satellite image that @Floppity had earlier linked to:
    https://twitter.com/ashergrey/status/1275853358235029504
     
  19. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Thanks, there was a much clearer photo 2 hours after Alex left the property that was here on thread at one point. Perhaps it's in the timeline thread? Dunno. Lemme venture to the timeline thread as this would certainly be one photo for such.

    I'll do an ETA if I find on timeline. IIRC, it was someone in the industry that captured it. Not Law Enforcement.

    Hopefully I'll find and repost here within 60 minutes... *off I go*

    Thanks so much @Gardener1850 and @Tortoise for the timeline that we can always find stuff at!

    ETA: I didn't find a link at the timeline, but did find a reference so I was able to google. Here are 3 results. I have to leave now, so just posting the links vs. the photo...ok, got one photo

    Satellite Photo Shows Chad Daybell Property On Likely Day Of Child's Burial


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    Satellite photo shows Chad Daybell property on likely day of child’s burial

    KSL 5 TV

    Night night all!
     
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  20. Kimmer

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    My thought on that trip is once he got Tylee at CD the two realized they did not have enough gas to do their dasteredy deed so he ran to the store to get gas, I sure wish we could see him on video filling up a red gas can.
     
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