Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #53

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  1. Patch Tuesday

    Patch Tuesday Well-Known Member

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    This thread is dedicated to discussion of two missing kids, JJ and Tylee.

    The thread does not exist to chit chat about your own religious doctrines, discuss temples, tithing, BYU, physical appearance, etc. Forty seven of such off topic posts have just been removed.

    Do not ignore Moderator warnings.

    Stay on topic or thread reply bans or TOs will be issued.
     
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    Hey everyone,

    Plunder is not an approved source here, and what is discussed in the nightly youtube chat is not held to the same TOS standard that this WS board discussion is. Please don't bring what is discussed in chat to this thread.

    Thanks.
     
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    Hey everyone,

    Due to a busy workload behind the curtain today, there is a delay in getting to all the Alerts that have come in. In the meantime ...

    Rumors are NOT allowed. You can't make a post and say to the effect "I know it's rumor, but ...."

    Also, do NOT sleuth anyone on a witness list. If their name is in MSM, you can discuss and speculate on what is said about them or what they have said in MSM, but you cannot sleuth out their personal information and post about it here.

    Posts such as above have been Reported ... do not discuss them. Just give me time to get to them. It will happen, just can't guarantee when :)

    Thanks for your cooperation.
     
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    OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT

    There seems to be some confusion and concerns being expressed about Timeline posts not being linked in the Opening Posts.

    Mods, Admins, Coordinators ... we've all had discussion about this over the last year and we just don't know why or when members started requesting WS staff to make all these additions and changes to the Opening Posts of new threads. We are a very limited staff and this is something members have historically done on their own that doesn't create any extra work for WS staff.

    It is a very simple system that was set up years ago and has worked well in the past. We don't need to duplicate effort or reinvent the wheel here.

    In each forum, i.e. "Located Persons Discussion", members will see at the top of the page, a sub forum called for example "Located Timeline and Media Links"

    As you can see, any member can start an appropriately titled new timeline thread within such a forum and make or copy their Timeline posts and all subsequent revisions or updates into that thread. It can be titled something like Vallow & Daybell Media, Maps & Timeline (or just Vallow & Daybell Timeline thread if they want to keep it separate and apart from Media and Maps). If the thread gets titled Media, Maps and Timelines, all members have to do is use the search feature within that thread for the word Timeline. That's what these features are for.

    When a member has created the Timeline thread, WS staff link it ONCE in the Opening Post and it never has to be changed again, regardless of whether it's 1 or 100 new discussion threads for any given case.

    If there is any question about the above, please contact any Mod or Admin and we'll be glad to clarify.

    If nobody else is going to do it for this case, when one of us gets time (not sure when that will be), we will set up the timeline thread for you in this case and copy all of Gardener1850's timeline posts into it. We will update the link in the Opening Post and it will never have to change after that.

    Truly hope this clarifies.
     
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  6. Sillybilly

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    This post lands at random.

    TOS requires that links be provided to support what you state.

    Members are entitled to ask for a link. If/when they do, please provide the link rather than tell them to google it themselves.
     
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    Admin Note:

    Many posts have been removed.

    A direct link is required to a source, not just telling folks where to look for it. Posts without a direct link get removed and ALL responses to it. It is discourteous to all other members who have to rummage around trying to find the source or to Mods who have to review page after page to find all the responses.

    Off topic posts may result in a loss of posting privileges. If all 300 to 500 members online felt it was okay to make off topic posts, we would have to remove hundreds of them in a day. If you post along the lines of “This is OT but ...” we remove your post and ALL responses to it.
     
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    Thread is open again.

    Do NOT post watermarked documents.

    If a document is watermarked, that means it should not be copied or used without the consent of the owner.

    When in doubt about TOS or what is allowed, do not rely on the advice of other members who may not provide the right answer.. Private message a Mod or Admin to check to see if something is allowed.
     
  9. Tortoise

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    Please add any I've forgotten.

    (there are others like CV's sons who haven't played a part yet, and haven't been in the media)

    AlC = Alex Cox (Lori’s brother, died 2019)
    AdC = Adam Cox (Lori’s brother)
    AnC = Annie Cushing (Joe Ryan’s sister)
    AR = April Raymond (Lori’s friend)

    BB = Brandon Boudreaux (ex-husband of MBP)
    BC = Barry Cox (Lori’s father)
    BD = Benjamin Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)

    CD = Chad Daybell
    CP = Christopher Parrett (owner of AVOW, Another Voice of Warning)
    CR = Colby Ryan (Lori’s son)
    CV = Charles Vallow (died 2019)

    DW = David Warwick (MG’s friend)

    EM = Emma Murray (Chad and Tammy Daybell’s daughter, married to Joseph)

    GB = Gabe Bonilla (CV's friend/witness/Bishop)
    GD = Garth Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)

    HD = Heather Daybell (MtD’s wife)
    HS = Hector Sosa Jr. (author, creator of internet forum Pathway to Zion; PTZ)

    IP = Ian Pawlowski (husband of MBP)

    JC = Janis Cox (Lori’s mother)
    JD = Jack Daybell (Chad’s father)
    JG = Jason Gwilliam (Tammy Daybell’s sister-SG’s husband)
    JJ or JV = Joshua Jaxson Vallow
    JM = Jason Mow, aka Richard J Mow (ex-police, friend)
    JoR or JR = Joseph Ryan aka Joe (Lori’s 3rd husband, died 2018)
    JuR = Julie Rowe (Chad’s friend)

    KR = Kelsee Ryan (CR’s wife)
    KW = Kay Woodcock (JJ’s paternal grandmother)

    LM = Leah Murphy (Chad and Tammy Daybell’s daughter, married to Adam)
    LVD = Lori Vallow Daybell (nee Cox)
    LW = Larry Woodcock (JJ’s grandfather, husband of Kay)

    MBP = Melani Boudreaux Pawlowski (Lori’s niece, nee Cope. aka MB pre-marriage to IP)
    MkD = Mark Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)
    MwD = Matthew Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)
    MtD = Matt Daybell (Chad’s brother)
    MiD = Michael Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)
    MG = Melanie Gibb (Lori’s friend)

    NP = Natalie Pawlowski (ex-wife of IP)

    PD = Paul Daybell (Chad’s brother)
    PhD = Phyllis Douglas nee Cooper (Tammy Daybell’s mother)

    RD = Ron(ald) Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s father)

    SD = Seth Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)
    SG = Samantha Gwilliam (Tammy Daybell’s sister, married to JG)
    SLC = Stacey Lynne Cope (Lori’s sister, nee Cox, died 1998, mother of Melani; MBP)
    SC = Steve Cope (MBP’s father, formerly married to SLC)
    SD = Sheila Daybell (Chad’s mother)
    SS = Summer Shiflet (Lori’s sister, nee Cox)

    TD = Tammy (Tamara) Daybell nee Douglas (died 2019)
    TR = Tylee Ryan

    ZC = Zac Cox (AdC’s son)
    ZP = Zulema Pastenes (AlC’s wife)
     
  10. Sillybilly

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    Nate refers to MP as a POI "in general" and she "might have some information" but other than AC, he doesn't think anyone else would have been involved in the actual deaths of the children.

    Sorry, MP is not sleuthable based on that.
     
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    Not sure what isn't clear. The OP referred me to the interview to ask if MP could be sleuthed based on what Nate said. I've listened to it and decided that Nate was not definitive enough to warrant sleuthing MP as a POI. Just because she may have some information of interest to LE does not make her a POI in the deaths of these children. So no, the only thing I'm saying is that she is not sleuthable based on what Nate said in that interview.

    There is no legal definition of POI, but just because someone is on the periphery of a crime or has knowledge that may be helpful to solving it does not make them a POI in a context that would lead to classification as a suspect.

    As always, members can sleuth away behind the scenes and discuss in private messages, but no sleuthing of MP and posting it on the public thread.

    If more information comes to light as to MP's knowledge of the crime or involvement in it, the decision could be revisited at that time.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Tricia is very familiar with WTAF and the documents that are being referred to. She has great respect for WTAF Wicked Truths and is reviewing this matter as she has time.

    Please stop the bickering. Any further attacks against WTAF Wicked Truths will result in a minimum 1 month TO from the board.
     
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    Please stop sleuthing MG.

    She is a prosecution witness and is not a POI/suspect in this case.

     
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    Folks, random youtube videos and sleuthing of witnesses is NOT allowed. This is a basic policy of WS and DW is a witness and not a POI or suspect.

    Please read The Rules and post in accordance with them.
     
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    Hey everyone,

    The prosecutor has stated:

    "The letter will have zero effect on any work done in the Madison County State Prosecutor’s Office, including on the Daybell / Vallow case."

    Please move on from that discussion.

    Thank you.
     
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    Bickering posts have been removed.

    If you find a post offensive or a violation of Websleuths rules, Report it and do NOT respond. Members are not moderators. Wait for a Moderator or Admin to review it and deal with it rather than causing a kerfuffle on the thread.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Doesn't matter whose kids they are, they are not POIs/suspects, and are not on trial here. It is not in line with Websleuths victim friendly policy to criticize them for their silence.

    Excerpt from The Rules

    The "victim friendly" rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. Don't make random accusations, suggest their involvement, nor bash and attack them. Posting their personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public -- is not allowed. That does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media.





     
  18. justanurse

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    I agree. I don’t think he would have carried JJ into the house dead. It would have been too great a risk. Dead people look entirely different than people who are alive, even different from a corpse made up at a funeral.

    There is a slackness and colorlessness of their faces that is unmistakable. I once had a patient who was perfectly alive when we started a bed bath after open heart surgery. The other nurse and I rolled her and a minute later we rolled her back and I looked at her face and knew immediately she was gone before any alarms went off from the monitor.

    Added to that you never know when rigor mortis is going to set in - which would be obvious no matter what position you’re carrying them in. I don’t see him carrying a dead child into a house full of people trying to pass them off as an alive child.
     
  19. Pianoturtle

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    I think he was just very cautious about what he said so as not to incriminate himself. Yeah he knew he was screwed. But he wasn’t about to make it easier for them to convict him by straight Up telling Lolo they were digging for bodies they both knew were there.
     
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    I agree, I dont think he has an impairment, if anything I think he is very aware of his behavior and how others are perceiving him. IMO all the odd behavior is an intentional act of Chads part to appear more innocent or to make it seem like hes incapable of masterminding a murder conspiracy
     
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