Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #55

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  1. Patch Tuesday

    Patch Tuesday Well-Known Member

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    Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

    I believe this is going to be a more complicated case than it looks on the surface. The children's mother (Lori Wallows) recently married a man (Chad Daybell) a few weeks after his wife died. It was presumed the late wife had died of natural causes but was exhumed recently and her death is now being investigated.
    The new wife's husband was shot in a family argument earlier this year:

    Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight

    The husband and wife are not cooperating with police and have since vanished.

    ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

    ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS* NO DISCUSSION #2

    ID - Joshua Vallow & Tylee Ryan, Rexburg, Sept 2019 - TIMELINE ONLY *NO DISCUSSION*

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    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    This thread is dedicated to discussion of two missing kids, JJ and Tylee.

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    OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT

    There seems to be some confusion and concerns being expressed about Timeline posts not being linked in the Opening Posts.

    Mods, Admins, Coordinators ... we've all had discussion about this over the last year and we just don't know why or when members started requesting WS staff to make all these additions and changes to the Opening Posts of new threads. We are a very limited staff and this is something members have historically done on their own that doesn't create any extra work for WS staff.

    It is a very simple system that was set up years ago and has worked well in the past. We don't need to duplicate effort or reinvent the wheel here.

    In each forum, i.e. "Located Persons Discussion", members will see at the top of the page, a sub forum called for example "Located Timeline and Media Links"

    As you can see, any member can start an appropriately titled new timeline thread within such a forum and make or copy their Timeline posts and all subsequent revisions or updates into that thread. It can be titled something like Vallow & Daybell Media, Maps & Timeline (or just Vallow & Daybell Timeline thread if they want to keep it separate and apart from Media and Maps). If the thread gets titled Media, Maps and Timelines, all members have to do is use the search feature within that thread for the word Timeline. That's what these features are for.

    When a member has created the Timeline thread, WS staff link it ONCE in the Opening Post and it never has to be changed again, regardless of whether it's 1 or 100 new discussion threads for any given case.

    If there is any question about the above, please contact any Mod or Admin and we'll be glad to clarify.

    If nobody else is going to do it for this case, when one of us gets time (not sure when that will be), we will set up the timeline thread for you in this case and copy all of Gardener1850's timeline posts into it. We will update the link in the Opening Post and it will never have to change after that.

    Truly hope this clarifies.
     
  4. Tortoise

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    Please add any I've forgotten.

    (there are others like CV's sons who haven't played a part yet, and haven't been in the media)

    AlC = Alex Cox (Lori’s brother, died 2019)
    AdC = Adam Cox (Lori’s brother)
    AnC = Annie Cushing (Joe Ryan’s sister)
    AR = April Raymond (Lori’s friend)

    BB = Brandon Boudreaux (ex-husband of MBP)
    BC = Barry Cox (Lori’s father)
    BD = Benjamin Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)

    CD = Chad Daybell
    CP = Christopher Parrett (owner of AVOW, Another Voice of Warning)
    CR = Colby Ryan (Lori’s son)
    CV = Charles Vallow (died 2019)

    DW = David Warwick (MG’s friend)

    EM = Emma Murray (Chad and Tammy Daybell’s daughter, married to Joseph)

    GB = Gabe Bonilla (CV's friend/witness/Bishop)
    GD = Garth Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)

    HD = Heather Daybell (MtD’s wife)
    HS = Hector Sosa Jr. (author, creator of internet forum Pathway to Zion; PTZ)

    IP = Ian Pawlowski (husband of MBP)

    JC = Janis Cox (Lori’s mother)
    JD = Jack Daybell (Chad’s father)
    JG = Jason Gwilliam (Tammy Daybell’s sister-SG’s husband)
    JJ or JV = Joshua Jaxson Vallow
    JM = Jason Mow, aka Richard J Mow (ex-police, friend)
    JoR or JR = Joseph Ryan aka Joe (Lori’s 3rd husband, died 2018)
    JuR = Julie Rowe (Chad’s friend)

    KR = Kelsee Ryan (CR’s wife)
    KW = Kay Woodcock (JJ’s paternal grandmother)

    LM = Leah Murphy (Chad and Tammy Daybell’s daughter, married to Adam)
    LVD = Lori Vallow Daybell (nee Cox)
    LW = Larry Woodcock (JJ’s grandfather, husband of Kay)

    MBP = Melani Boudreaux Pawlowski (Lori’s niece, nee Cope. aka MB pre-marriage to IP)
    MkD = Mark Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)
    MwD = Matthew Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)
    MtD = Matt Daybell (Chad’s brother)
    MiD = Michael Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s brother)
    MG = Melanie Gibb (Lori’s friend)

    NP = Natalie Pawlowski (ex-wife of IP)

    PD = Paul Daybell (Chad’s brother)
    PhD = Phyllis Douglas nee Cooper (Tammy Daybell’s mother)

    RD = Ron(ald) Douglas (Tammy Daybell’s father)

    SD = Seth Daybell (Chad and Tammy’s son)
    SG = Samantha Gwilliam (Tammy Daybell’s sister, married to JG)
    SLC = Stacey Lynne Cope (Lori’s sister, nee Cox, died 1998, mother of Melani; MBP)
    SC = Steve Cope (MBP’s father, formerly married to SLC)
    SD = Sheila Daybell (Chad’s mother)
    SS = Summer Shiflet (Lori’s sister, nee Cox)

    TD = Tammy (Tamara) Daybell nee Douglas (died 2019)
    TR = Tylee Ryan

    ZC = Zac Cox (AdC’s son)
    ZP = Zulema Pastenes (AlC’s wife)
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Doesn't matter whose kids they are, they are not POIs/suspects, and are not on trial here. It is not in line with Websleuths victim friendly policy to criticize them for their silence.

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    Just a random thought - did Lori ever report the kids as missing? If it was me, I think I would have, to reenforce my "innocence".
     
  7. indicolite22

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    Nancy Grace's interview with Lori's friend from Hawaii AR:



    A few interesting details there. AR says that Lori always had a lot of help with JJ. They had a live-in nanny when they lived in Hawaii. AR thought that Lori and Charles had an exemplary marriage, although Lori expressed to her that Charles wasn't her spiritual equal. Lori told AR in February 2019 that Charles was cheating on her with a woman he met on LinkedIn, but she didn't know her name. She expected him to take care of JJ after divorce, saying that it was his turn. Tylee looked unfazed when Lori was explaining the religious doctrine to AR (her past lives and being a translated being). In Tylee's absence Lori told AR that Tylee was dark, just like her father. The 144k were supposed to be gathered worldwide. Chad was mentioned as a member of her podcast group and an author. Lori didn't indicate there was a personal relationship or that he was the originator of the doctrine.
     
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    She didn't want anyone to suspect they were missing in the first place. The first step was to move them away from all their relatives and friends. Then she concocted a story that Tylee was at BYU and JJ with Kay to explain their absence. Finally she declared that they were in hiding for their own protection.
     
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    Since pyhsical violence was Alex's MO, suspicion would fall on him first if there was sign of foul play in Joe's death. None was found so far, according to police. According to Joe's ex-lawyer, Joe was in a hospital for days after the first attack.
     
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    Or giving anybody a potentially-fatal disease.
     
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    A few takeaways from the the Taniguchi interview:

    1. The Taniguchi brothers are decent and compassionate human beings.

    2. Lori was as vicious, amoral, and manipulative back then as she has shown herself to be throughout this tragic affair.

    3. Lori and Alex clearly set up the stun-gun ambush of Joe Ryan. This reinforces my belief that Charles was killed in a similar ambush: lured to a seemingly innocent meeting and confronted by Alex holding a weapon.

    4. Lori appeared extremely devout LDS but there was no evidence of the later ooga-booga. This strengthens my belief that Chad's ooga-booga played into Lori's already well-developed malignity but was not the cause of it.

    Justin Lum did a pretty good job but he missed a significant followup: Taniguchi said that he was contacted by phone by a high-ranking LDS official who vouched for Lori. Lum failed to ask whether or how Taniguchi verified the call was legitimate. Alex was known as a mimic, and this is just the kind of trick those two would pull.
     
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    All are jury cases have been postpone due to covid. We just went back to stage 2 yesterday.
     
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    I remember, way back in the beginning, we were stretching a lot to find blame in the death of Joe Ryan.
    Today, I am just absolutely convinced-moo- that Lori brought harm to Joe.
    I think Joe had it a lot worse that Charles...... Charles contributed to custody battles with Joe, and undoubtedly to Joes psychological and financial downfalls........
     
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    Still interested in the potential use of barium for poisoning. This article is about an incident where veggies coated in flour contaminated with barium carbonate killed many people within hours of eating. It would be easy enough to give Alex and Tammy laced food. Not sure on Joe but maybe she delivered or mailed some cookies "made by Tylee". Barium was also found in Brittany Murphy, the actress that died followed shortly after by her husband.

    Brittany Murphy: Suspicious celebrity deaths to keep you up at night – Film Daily
    Mass barium carbonate poisoning with fatal outcome, lessons learned: a case series
     
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    Forgot to JMO. Just thinking about that possibility.
     
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    Tricia asked me/told me to post this link to the video I've uploaded today about how Lori may have used Castor Beans to dispatch her victims.
     
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    Yes, there’s that. Covid-19 is quite having its way with Idaho.
     
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    Snipped for focus
    This is major. If one wanted to boost Lum’s career for him, one would pass this along. Let’s hope its appearance here will catch his eye. Good post!
     
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    Thanks WeirdMom and Tricia..... very interesting...
     
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