Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

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    Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

    I believe this is going to be a more complicated case than it looks on the surface. The children's mother (Lori Wallows) recently married a man (Chad Daybell) a few weeks after his wife died. It was presumed the late wife had died of natural causes but was exhumed recently and her death is now being investigated.
    The new wife's husband was shot in a family argument earlier this year:

    Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight

    The husband and wife are not cooperating with police and have since vanished.

    ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION

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    Detailed Case Timeline Part I (2)

    MISSING: Joshua Jaxon “JJ” Vallow & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan

    POI’s: Lori Norene (Cox) Vallow & Chad Guy Daybell

    1968 - Chad Guy Daybell is born in Provo, Utah.

    1973 - Lori Norene Cox is born in San Bernardino County, CA.

    Abt 1985 – 17 year old Chad has near-death experience while cliff jumping. He claims to have crossed into another dimension and realized there was a world beyond this one.

    1986 – Chad graduates from High School in Springville, Utah. He was an honor role student and nominated as “teenager of the month” his senior year. (1985 & 1986 Springville Herald from

    Abt 1987 – After High School graduation, Chad takes an LDS mission in New Jersey. (Fox13 Salt Lake City, Daily Mail)

    August 1989 to August 1991 – Chad works part time as a cemetery sexton in Springville, Utah and starts college at Brigham Young University (BYU) (Chad’s website Archives).

    9 March 1990 - Chad Daybell and Tamara "Tammy" Douglas marry in the Manti Temple. They met each other while both were attending BYU. They would go on to have 5 children & 3 grandchildren during their nearly 30 year marriage. (Tammy’s Obit).

    1990’s – Chad and Tammy did extensive genealogy research on Tammy’s family history and did the temple work for hundreds of her ancestors throughout the 1990’s (Chad’s Website blog).

    1991 – Lori Cox graduates from High School in Rialto, CA. ( )

    1991/1992 – Chad works as Assistant City Editor for BYU’s newspaper, The Daily Universe. The following semester he served as City Editor (Chad’s website archives).

    April 1992 – Chad graduates from BYU with a bachelor’s degree in Journalism.

    1992 – After graduation Chad took a job as copy editor and headline writer with the Standard-Examiner in Ogden, Utah. The family lived in the suburb of Washington Terrace in Ogden (Chad’s website archives).

    About 1992 – Lori marries her 1st husband while she is still a teenager fresh out of HS. This relationship ends in divorce. (according to Grey Hughes interview with relatives).

    1993 – Chad has 2nd near-death experience. He was hit by a wave at La Jolla Cove, California. While his body was being tossed by waves, he claims his spirit was visiting with his grandfather, who showed him future events. Chad claims this accident “caused his ‘veil’ that separates mortal life from the Spirit World to stay partially open, so he often feels as if he has a foot in both worlds” (PAP Speaking Event Poster, Chad's Website Blog).

    1993 – Chad says in a 2015 blog post that not long after his 2nd near-death experience he was driving south on I-15 in Orem, Utah past Geneva Steel when he saw a vision of the steel plant changed into subdivisions. Geneva Steel would later close in 1999-2001 and in 2015 Chad claims he foresaw that happening. A similar vision in 2005 supposedly inspired Chad to write a futuristic book series (Chad’s Website Blog).

    Dec 1995 - April 2000 – Chad hears about an opening in Springville for a cemetery sexton in 1995 and takes the job in order to move his family back to Springville and closer to their grandparents (Chad’s website archives).

    22 Oct 1995 – Lori marries her 2nd husband in Travis County, Texas. Her 1st son CR is born during this relationship. This marriage ends in divorce about a year later (according to court records).

    17 Dec 1996 – Lori’s 2nd husband files for divorce in Bexar County, Texas. (Court records).

    1997 - Two years after Chad became a sexton again, he is shoveling snow at the cemetery when he hears a voice say “It’s time to write your books.” (Chad’s website archives).

    25 Feb 1998 – Lori’s 2nd divorce was finalized (Court records).

    25 May 1998 - Stacey Cox Cope, the sister of Lori and Alex Cox, dies supposedly of diabetic shock. Only Alex was at home with her and he had used her credit card while she was dead in the home; Stacey is survived by a young daughter named Melani (family interviews on Grey Hughes and Daily Mail). Stacey Lynn Cope (1966-1998) - Find A Grave...

    17 March 1999 – Chad Daybell is featured in an article about publishing his first book “An Errand for Emma.” The book is a fiction story set in 1868 with a teen girl main character that is based on Chad’s then 4 year old daughter’s personality. At the time of the article Chad is once again working as a cemetery sexton in Springville - a job he says he purposely took in order to spend more time with his family and have time to write books (BYU Universe).

    2001 – Chad claims that Tammy’s grandmother, LC, had a visit from a deceased ancestor, RM; RM supposedly thanked Chad and Tammy thru LC for submitting temple paperwork in the ancestor’s name. Tammy’s grandmother passed away in 2005 and Chad would later claim he received a visit and message from LC in 2011 (Chad’s website blog).

    April 2001 – Chad is working for Access Computer Products’ in Provo, Utah (Chad’s website archives).

    About 2001? – Lori Marries her 3rd husband, Joseph Anthony Ryan, Jr (JR). (Unsure on exact date and location of this marriage).

    24 Sept 2002 - Tylee Ashlyn Ryan is born to Lori and JR.

    18 Mar 2003 – Chad’s books are pulled from the shelves of Deseret Book stores, allegedly due to an irreverent scene in "Chasing Paradise," where a warrior angel drop-kicks a naughty spirit through a wall. Chad is working as managing editor of Cedar Fort publishing at the time (Deseret News).

    Feb 23 2004 – Lori is listed on a General Warranty Deed for the home she shares with JR in Driftwood, TX (Hays County Property records).

    1 Mar 2004 – Chad and Tammy start their own book publisher, Spring Creek Book Company (Daily Mail, Heavy).

    13 Aug 2004 - Lori’s 3rd husband JR files for divorce in Hays County, Texas. JR fights Lori in the courts trying to gain full custody of Tylee for several years. (Court records, family interview on Grey Hughes).

    2005 – Chad starts working on his “Standing in Holy Places” book series with the first novel called “The Great Gathering” which is set 10-15 years in the future. Chad claims on a blog post in 2015 that his futuristic books included actual visions he had of the future that came to pass, including the recession of 2008 and a steel mill that shut down in 1999. (Chad’s Website blog).

    18 May 2005 – Lori and JR’s divorce is finalized in Hays County, Texas (Court records).

    6 Sept 2005 – Lori is listed on a Trustee Deed for the home she shared with JR in Driftwood, TX (Hays County Property records).

    24 Feb 2006 - Lori marries her 4th husband, Leland "Charles" Anthony Vallow (CV) in Las Vegas, NV (Clark County marriage records).

    08 Aug 2006 – Lori’s ex-husband JR files in the 22nd District Court of TX for custody enforcement/modification in the interest of Tylee (Court records).

    2008 – The “Great Recession” hit the US; In a 2015 blog post Chad claims that the 2008 recession was just like he predicted it happening in his books but he knew that the end was “still several years away” because one of the key parts of the book involves the government encouraging human microchip implants (Chad’s Website Blog).

    2008 – Chad and Tammy file for Bankruptcy (Radar Online).

    2008 – Lori’s niece Melani, daughter of late Stacey Cox Cope, marries BB (Daily Mail).

    Mar 2008 - Lori and CV sign a "lien release form" together in Travis County, TX (Court records).

    19 Dec 2008 – Joseph Ryan requested dismissal of an appeal against Lori Vallow in the 3rd court of Appeals, 345 District Court of Travis Co, Texas; the court granted his request. Joseph Anthony Ryan, Jr. v. Lori N. Vallow--Appeal from 345th District Court of Travis County

    26 Jan 2009 – Lori and CV sign forms for authorization for someone to pay property tax on their behalf in Travis Co, Texas (Court records).

    17 July 2009 - Lori’s Ex-husband, JR, again files a custody suit against Lori in the State of Texas. This suit is carried over to the AZ courts and a note about it in Maricopa County, AZ records that reads: “FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS INTERLOCUTORY/OF 7/17/09 IN SUIT TO MODIFY PARENT-CHILD RELATIONSHIP” (Court Records).

    5 Aug 2011 – Lori’s Ex-husband, JR, files “Petition to modify child custody, parenting time and child support” in Maricopa County, AZ Family Court (Court records).

    23 Sept 2011 – Chad claims that Tammy’s deceased grandmother visited him and told him Tammy needed to stop playing the computer game “Frontierville” and get back to working on genealogy and temple work; Chad typed up the message and gave it to Tammy and her parents to read that day; Sept 23 was Tammy’s grandmother’s birthday so they took this as a sign she had spoken to him; Chad says in a 2015 blog post that every September 23rd he waits for another visit, but so far L’s been quiet (Chad’s Website Blog).

    25 May 2012 - Joshua Jaxson “JJ” Vallow is born in Louisiana. JJ would later be diagnosed with special needs- Autism and ADHD, and prescribed medication.

    5 June 2012 - Lori’s Ex-husband, JR, files more petitions against Lori to modify child custody and child support arrangements for Tylee in Maricopa County, AZ. The court battle goes on until 2014 when it appears that JR won his case as the document reads: “Stipulation To Credit (Offset) Petitioner/Father's Child Support Obligations for Seven (7) Months Commencing June 1, 2014” (Court records).

    2013 -- JJ is adopted by his Great Uncle Charles and Lori Vallow.

    2014 – Chad first meets Julie Rowe; Chad helped publish her book about a near-death experience she had in 2004. She became close friends with the Daybells and there was a 3 year period of time where Julie would visit Chad & Tammy in their Rexburg home at least once a month (Fox13 Salt Lake City).

    May 2014 – Tylee Joins Twitter. Tylee Ryan (@tyleearyan) | Twitter

    August 2014 – Chad’s mom rents a large cabin in Island Park, Idaho for an extended family vacation trip. On this Idaho trip Chad hears a voice say “You’ll live here soon.”

    End of 2014/Beginning of 2015 -Lori and Charles Vallow move to Hawaii with JJ and Tylee to start a juice bar called "Juice Island". This business was reportedly a failure and they would eventually move back to AZ (Note: Date based on business filing dates and social media posts; story about the juice bar was from insider posts on WS and confirmed by business filings).

    8 Dec 2014 – Lori and Charles Vallow register a business called “Juice Island Hawaii LLC” in Princeville, HI.

    12 Jan 2015 - Lori and Charles Vallow register a business called “JUICE ISLAND - PRINCEVILLE LLC” in Princeville, HI.

    Feb 2015 - Chad has a vision of walking a path and hearing a voice say, “Moving to Rexburg will be a tremendous blessing to your children and your grandchildren.” A few weeks after that Chad was eating dinner with his family and said “When we move to Rexburg . . .” He had not brought it up before and “Tammy wasn’t thrilled” but soon Tammy agreed and was looking at real estate in Rexburg (Chad's website blog archives).

    June 2015 – Chad and Tammy Daybell buy a house and move to Rexburg, Idaho. Tammy worked as assistant librarian at Madison Middle School. She later became the librarian at Central Elementary School in Sugar City, Idaho (Chad's website blog archives).

    25 June 2015 – Tylee Tweets a photo with a friend captioned: “4 more days until Hawaii with this chick”.

    11 July 2015 – Tylee Tweets a photo with a friend doing Charlie’s Angel poses, captioned: “Partner’s in Crime”.

    27 July 2015 – Tylee Tweets a photo with a friend captioned “gonna miss this girl”.

    4 Aug 2015 – Lori and Charles Vallow register a business entity called “JUICE ISLAND - LIHUE LLC” in Princeville, HI.

    2016 – Chad works as “sales executive at Falls Printing” (according to his LinkedIn & Daily Mail).

    2 January 2016 – Tylee joins Poshmark in Jan 2016 but there is no visible activity after Jan 2.
    Tylee Ryan's Closet (@tyleearyan) | Poshmark

    1 Feb 2016 – Lori posts a photo to Instagram from Anini Beach, Kalihiwai, HI.
    @lolo4kauai on Instagram: “Just a morning stroll in paradise”

    12 Mar 2016 – Tylee retweets a post that says “someone help me i cant stop being hungry”. This is her last activity on Twitter. Tylee Ryan (@tyleearyan) | Twitter

    18 June 2016 – Tylee posts a beach photo taken in Kakaha, Hawaii to her photography Instagram. on Instagram: “Black sand beaches”

    8 July 2016 – Tylee posts a photo to her photography Instagram with the caption “Hanalei dayss”. on Instagram: “Hanalei dayss”

    20 July 2016 - Lori gets a traffic ticket for using her phone while driving in Kauai, HI. (Court records).

    24 Sept 2016 – Tylee’s 14th birthday. Lori wishes Tylee happy birthday on her Instagram. @lolo4kauai on Instagram: “HAPPY BIRTHDAY to my little girl who is all grown up!! your mommy loves u so much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️”

    28 September 2016 – Lori dissolves one of the 3 Hawaii business entities (Juice Island - Lihue LLC). The other Juice Island LLC’s are listed as “delinquent” for 2016, 2017 and 2018 due to no filings and the state administratively dissolved the entities in 2018.

    Dec 2016 – Tylee is listed on the Honor Role as a Freshman at Kapaa High School in Hawaii.

    Late 2016/Early 2017 - Lori and the children move from HI to AZ (Date based on business filings and Tylee's school enrollment in HI; Need more exact dates).

    7 Mar 2017 – Chad writes on his website blog that he is close to finished writing a book called “Reclaiming Liberty,” but he will not be releasing it until there is “a major earthquake in the western United States”. He also announces that he will release a short autobiography about his two near-death experiences. | The Official Website for Chad Daybell

    29 Mar 2017 – Tylee creates a Roblox account under username “Typicaltylee”. Profile - Roblox

    19 May 2017 – Chad announces on his blog the release of his autobiography “Living on the Edge of Heaven” discussing his two near-death experiences and his interactions with deceased relatives.

    Summer of 2017 – Chad meets author and podcaster Melanie Gibb (MG) for the first time after he speaks at a campout in Northern Utah. MG invites him to speak in her hometown of Mesa, Arizona (Chad's Forward for MG's book).

    24 Sept 2017 – Tylee’s 15th birthday. Lori posts a “happy birthday” message to her on Instagram that mentions Perry High School in Gilbert, AZ. @lolo4kauai on Instagram: “My Beautiful daughter turned 15 today ! Happy birthday Ty Ty !! I love you so much!!! JJ says "hi Tylee Ryan Perry High School " ”

    See PART II in next post for the rest and the sources....
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    Detailed Case Timeline Part II (2)

    MISSING: Joshua Jaxon “JJ” Vallow & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan

    POI’s: Lori Norene (Cox) Vallow & Chad Guy Daybell

    Apr 2018 -
    Joseph Anthony Ryan, Jr. -- 3rd ex-husband of Lori, and father of Tylee, dies at his AZ home. His body wasn't found for 3 weeks. The death was ruled a heart attack and he was cremated, meaning no 2nd autopsy can be done (Fox13 Phoenix).

    June 2018 – Chad finishes writing his “Times of Turmoil” book series and "felt prompted" to speak about the book in Arizona. He remembered meeting MG in 2017 and contacted her saying he felt he was supposed to speak in AZ in July. MG arranges a joint speaking event with Chad and Jason Mow (JM).

    27 June 2018 – Chad announces a book signing on his blog for his book “Reclaiming Liberty”, the last book in his “Times of Turmoil” series.

    30 June 2018 – Chad holds a book signing along with Julie Rowe in Sugar City, Idaho.

    3 June 2018 – Tylee creates a 2nd Roblox account under username “Tyleearyan”. Profile - Roblox

    25 July 2018 – Tylee adds the song “watch” by Billie Eilish to her Youtube channel. This appears to be her last activity on Youtube. tylee ryan

    Sept 2018 Chad starts speaking on a paid podcast called "Glimpses Through the Veil" with the Preparing A People website (PAP website & Event Flyers).

    15 Sept 2018 Chad speaks at a Preparing A People event in Brigham City, Utah (PAP website & Event Flyers).

    26-27 Oct 2018 Chad speaks at a Preparing A People event in St George, Utah (PAP website & Event Flyers).

    16-17 Nov 2018 Chad speaks at a Preparing A People event in Mesa, AZ (PAP website & Event Flyers).

    Jan 2019 – Chad is a guest interview on a new Preparing A People podcast titled “Time To Warrior Up” with JM, MG & Lori Vallow. (PAP website).

    Late January 2019 – Abt 2 weeks before CV files for divorce, Lori takes JJ and moves out of the Chandler, AZ home she was sharing with CV. Lori’s whereabouts are unknown during this time and her communication with CV is limited. (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Late Jan 2019 - CV goes on a business trip to TX and during that time Lori returns to the AZ home and removes “the majority of CV’s possessions”, including CV’s business computer and CV’s shoes, clothing and underwear; Lori also took JJ’s service dog’s collar, JJ’s medicine, clothing and i-pad. (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    28 Jan 2019 - Enterprise Rent-A-Car emails CV to say that 2,000 points were transferred out of his rewards account; CV is worried that Lori plans to use the points to leave Arizona with JJ (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    28 & 29 Jan 2019 - Lori makes multiple transfers of money totaling $35,000 from CV’s business accounts to their personal joint account and then moves the money again from the personal account into an unknown bank account. CV asks Lori to return it all, but she ignores him; CV tries to stop the transfers, but the bank says Lori is a signatory and the payment can't be stopped (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    29 Jan 2019 - CV calls his older son and says Lori had called that day and told him she is a "translated being who cannot taste death sent by god to lead the 144,000 into the Millennium". The conversation between Lori and CV would later be documented in divorce filings: “[Lori] believes that she is receiving spiritual revelations and visions to help her gather and prepare those chosen to live in the New Jerusalem after the Great War as prophesied in the Book of Revelations." Lori also allegedly threatened to murder CV if he stood in the way of her (Divorce documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    30 Jan 2019 – Charles was on a business trip in Houston when Lori called him. Lori kept calling CV by the name “Nick Schneider” on the phone. When CV asked who Nick was Lori said that CV was Nick because Nick had killed CV and taken his identity. Lori again threatened to murder CV when he returned to AZ and she said she had an angel to help her dispose of CV’s body. She also said she would ruin him financially (Divorce documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Late Jan/Early Feb 2019 – Lori abandons Charles and JJ for 58 days and her whereabouts during this time are unknown. JJ’s grandmother KW says Lori told Charles she no longer cared about him or JJ before leaving. They believe Tylee was staying with other relatives during this time. (KSLTV News)

    Feb 2019 - Lori cancels CV’s plane ticket from TX back to AZ using his computer to log in and cancel online without CV’s knowledge. CV is forced to buy a last minute $600 ticket when he arrives at the airport and find’s out Lori canceled his ticket. (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Feb 2019 – When CV finally arrives back at the Phoenix airport he finds that his truck, which he had parked at the airport before leaving AZ, is gone. Lori had a spare key and removed the truck before CV came back. CV attempts to contact Lori but ends up taking a taxi to Mesa and then has a friend pick him up to take him home from there. (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Feb 2019 – Lori calls CV after he returns to AZ and says she is staying in a hotel with JJ. She says she doesn’t want anything to do with the children anymore; she says she will drop off JJ at school in the morning and CV can pick him up in the afternoon. Lori refuses to return CV’s truck for 3 days, so he has to pay for a rental car to go to work and JJ’s school (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Feb 2019 – CV is taking care of JJ and the dog but Lori refuses to return JJ’s medicine, clothing, i-pad and the service dog’s special collar. Lori also never contacts CV to ask about JJ’s wellbeing nor does she request parenting time. CV says this causes JJ emotional stress as his autism makes it difficult for him to understand the situation. JJ needs his medicine, his usual clothing, his i-pad with special apps on it that calm him down, and the dog’s collar so the dog can go wherever JJ goes (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    Feb 2019 - Charles reportedly filed a petition with Community Bridges Healthcare for a 72-hour hold and evaluation, according to the documents, and even the staff called Gilbert Police to bring Lori in for treatment if they make contact with her; However Lori is never taken in for the hold and the petition expires (Divorce documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    5 Feb 2019 – CV receives an email from an employees about commission money owed to the employee; The employee threatens legal action if he doesn’t get paid soon. Because Lori refused to return the money, CV was short on payroll and could not pay some CA contractors what they were owed (Divorce documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    8 Feb 2019 – CV begins initial process of filing for divorce against Lori. However, in March drops the divorce and they remained legally married (Maricopa Court records).

    11 Feb 2019 – The Sheriff of Orange County, CA contacts CV and discusses filing theft charges against Lori for taking the business money. (Divorce Documents, Fox10 Phoenix).

    14 Feb 2019 – Valentine's Day - CV signs divorce paperwork that outlines in detail all that Lori has done and said the last few months; CV says he wants sole custody of his adopted son, JJ and he also wants the property and money Lori took returned. The documents make disturbing allegations concerning Lori's mental stability (Fox10 Phoenix).

    15 Feb 2019 – CV, thru an attorney, electronically files divorce documents the day after he signed them. The docs say that Lori threatened CV, telling him she was a god preparing for Christ's second coming, which she believes will happen in July 2020; Lori allegedly told CV if he got in her way, she would murder him. CV later got an Order of Protection (Fox10 Phoenix).

    16 Feb 2019 – Chad Speaks at a Preparing A People event in Rexburg ID (PAP Flyer).

    Feb 2019 – Chad writes the forward for author MG’s new book “Feel the Fire.” (MG's book website).

    6 Mar 2019 – Charles Vallow drops divorce proceedings against Lori and they remain legally married but separated (Maricopa Court records).

    Mar 2019 - CV's son helped CV and JJ move from Arizona to Texas, after Lori had changed. "Lori had basically just disappeared, and he had no idea where she went for I think two-ish months, and so eventually he was like ‘alright, I have to move away for JJ’s sake, for JJ’s safety’ and so he decided to move to Houston,” said the son. Eventually, JJ would reunite with Lori and Tylee in Chandler, AZ (Fox10 Phoenix).

    May 2019 – Chad travels to West Jordan, UT to meet actress Valentina and filmmaker Devin K Hansen about making his book "Chasing Paradise" into a movie (Fox13 Salt Lake City).

    31 May 2019 – Chad cancels his planned appearance at a Preparing A People event due to a “Family Emergency” (PAP Event Adverts).

    13 June 2019 – Lori uses Venmo to send her oldest son CR money with the note “Medicine” and a heart. This is the last time Lori used Venmo to send money. Lori Vallow

    11 July 2019, abt 8:30 a.m. - Charles Vallow is fatally shot twice in the chest at his home in 5500 block of S. Four Peaks Place, Chandler, AZ, allegedly by Lori's brother Alex Cox during a family argument. Lori was separated from CV at the time but living in the home CV owned. CV came to the house to pick up JJ and take him to school. Lori, Tylee and JJ were all at the house when the shooting occurred. AC was hit in the head with a baseball bat during the incident. AC called 911 and performed CPR on CV until emergency crews arrived. Police initially ruled the death self-defense and no charges were filed; However, Chandler PD have since said the investigation remains open (Fox10, Daily Mail).

    Abt 11 July 2019 – CV’s older son learned of his father's death on the news. He says Lori has stayed mum on the details. "She couldn’t tell you that there was a shooting?" asked FOX 10's Justin Lum. "No," the son replied. "She refused to tell us." (Fox10 Phoenix).

    6 Aug 2019 - Venmo in Tylee’s name sent money to her older brother CR with a heart and two exclamation points. Tylee Ryan

    10 Aug 2019 – The last time that JJ had a Facetime conversation with his paternal grandparents, KW & LW. This was a "30 second" Facetime (KSLTV, ABC World News).

    August 2019 - Chad attends a “Preparing a People” conference in St. George where he sets up a table to sell his books. Chad told an event attendee that Tammy was not at the conference because she was working (Rexburg Standard Journal).

    Sept 2019 - Lori moved with children JJ and Tylee, along with Alex and a friend from AZ to Rexburg, ID (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

    Sept 2019 – Tylee was last seen sometime in September by a neighbor, SB, who helped Lori and AC move into 2 townhouses in the same complex. Lori, her children, her brother and a friend had all driven up from AZ. SB helped them move in a few weeks before school started. SB only met Tylee once and never saw her again. Lori told SB she moved there to attend college. (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

    11 Sept 2019 - Venmo in Tylee’s name sent money to her older brother CR with a heart.

    23 Sept 2019 – Chad texts ”Thanks so much” to Filmmaker Devin K Hansen about the movie project. Chad did not reply to any texts from Hansen after this date. (Fox13)

    23 Sept 2019 – JJ was last seen attending Kennedy Elementary School in Rexburg, ID.

    24 Sept 2019 - Tylee’s 17th birthday. Unclear if she was seen by anyone on this day. Rexburg's Assistant Police Chief Gary Hagen said, “It sounds like the last time anybody had seen the kids were somewhere on the 23rd or 24th of September” (Daily Mail)

    Late Sept or Early Oct - About 3 weeks before Tammy’s death – Julie Rowe and Chad call each other. JR said “And I asked him, do you still see Tammy dying? And he said yes I do,” (Fox13 Salt Lake City).

    2 Oct 2019 – BB, husband of Lori’s niece Melani, is shot at in the driveway of his Gilbert, AZ home; A bullet narrowly misses him and shatters the driver’s side window of BB’s car. The shooter is driving a vehicle matching the description of Tylee’s Jeep. A police report is filed. The Jeep was caught on CCTV and was later confirmed to be registered to the late Charles Vallow. The Jeep was later found in Rexburg, ID and impounded by police for evidence (Family interview on GH; Fox News & Arizona Republic).

    4 Oct 2019 - Tammy Daybell visits her parents in Springville, UT about 15 days before she died; She was healthy and doing Zumba and a clogging class according to her dad.

    9 Oct 2019 - Tammy has an encounter with a masked man with a gun outside her ID home which she contacted the police about. She also posted about it on Facebook:
    “Something really weird just happened, and I want you to know so you can watch out,” Tammy wrote. “I had gotten home and parked in our front driveway. As I was getting stuff out of the back seat, a guy wearing a ski mask was suddenly standing by the back of my car with a paintball gun. He shot at me several times, although I don’t think it was loaded. I yelled for Chad and he ran off around the back of my house.” (East Idaho News)

    Oct 10 2019 – Venmo in Tylee’s name sent money to her older brother CR with a heart and “We love you”.

    Oct 16 2019 - Venmo in Tylee’s name again sent money to her older brother CR with a heart. This is the last activity on Tylee’s social media.

    Oct 2019 - About 2 Weeks after BB was shot at, Melani texts BB saying that she has decided to move to Boise, ID. (Arizona Republic)

    18 Oct 2019 – Tammy goes to bed having a coughing fit (according to Chad when he called her family to tell them she was dead).

    19 Oct 2019 - Tammy is found dead by family members in her ID home at 202 N 1900 E, Rexburg; The ME in Rexburg only spent about 4 hrs on her autopsy and ruled her death “natural causes"

    22 Oct 2019 – Funeral services are held in Utah and Tammy Daybell is buried in Springville, Utah (Tammy's Obit).

    22 Oct 2019 – BB and Melani’s divorce is finalized; BB requested full custody of their 4 children on the grounds that he believes Melani was behind the attempt on his life in early October; He also requested Melani not see the children without supervision; Melani did not show up for court to challenge custody of the children; (Court records; Arizona Republic).

    23 Oct 2019 - A 2nd memorial service for Tammy Daybell is held in Rexburg, Idaho (Tammy's Obit). Tamara Douglas Daybell

    Nov 2019 – Only a couple weeks after Tammy’s death, Chad Daybell marries Lori Vallow.

    14 Nov 2019 – Lori’s niece, Melani, is arrested on suspicion of trespassing on the property belonging to her ex-husband BB's parents' in America Fork, Utah, according to the Utah County Sheriff's Office. She was released on $2,500.00 bail the same day (Arizona Republic, Booking records).

    Abt 19 Nov 2019About a week before conducting a welfare check on JJ and Tylee, a police officer came to SB’s door asking questions about Lori and her children. SB is the neighbor who had helped Lori move into her townhome with the children in Sept (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

    26 Nov 2019 - Rexburg police attempt to conduct a welfare check on JJ, the adopted 7- year-old special needs son of Lori Vallow, at their residence at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg, ID. Welfare check was at the request of out of state family members who had not spoken to JJ since Sept. Chad and Lori were at the home and said JJ was staying with a family friend in Arizona. Investigators left but learned later that day that Joshua had not been staying with the friend.

    26 Nov 20192 nights before Thanksgiving Lori’s neighbor, SB, says he saw Lori and AC packing up a truck. SB thought at they were traveling for the holiday. Lori left behind her belongings, including JJ's toys. (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

    27 Nov 2019 – Rexburg PD receives request to help AZ LE execute a search warrant at the townhome at 595 Pioneer Road in relation to the investigation into JJ’s welfare and location.

    27 Nov 2019; 10:13 a.m - A phone related to their investigation is pinged at the general location "right now" when dispatched. However, when LE arrive Lori and Chad have abruptly vacated the home and left town; LE has reason to believe that they did not have JJ with them when they left Rexburg. Subsequently, the local LE contacts the FBI to ask for assistance in locating JJ: Rexburg Police Department

    27 Nov 2019 – Neighbors watch as the FBI raided Lori's townhouse, as well as her brother AC's townhouse in the same complex. LE broke the front door of AC’s townhome down to get inside (Fox 13 Salt Lake City)

    27 Nov 2019 (or sometime after) -- During the investigation into JJ’s disappearance, LE learns that Lori’s 17 year old daughter Tylee Ryan was living with Lori in Rexburg but she also has not been seen since Sept 2019.

    28 Nov 2019 – Thanksgiving Day.

    29 Nov 2019
    – Lori’s Brother, Alex Cox, marries a woman in Clark County, NV. The wedding is about 2 weeks before his death (Clark Co Marriage Records; Fox 10 Phoenix).

    30 Nov 2019
    – Lori’s niece, Melani, marries a new husband in Clark County, NV. Her new husband is allegedly a member of Lori and Chad’s cult (Family interviews on Grey Hughes; Clark Co Marriage Records; Fox10 Phoenix).

    11 Dec 2019 – Authorities exhume Tammy Daybell’s body for a 2nd autopsy after determining her death was suspicious. Results may take 30 days.

    12 Dec 2019 - Alex Cox, brother of Lori, was found dead in Gilbert, AZ of unknown causes; we are awaiting an autopsy report. Investigation into his death is being handled by the Gilbert PD.

    20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg Police post on facebook asking for help locating the endangered missing children, JJ and Tylee. They call the death of Tammy suspicious and say it is thought to be linked to the missing children. Rexburg Police Department

    20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg PD said the parents are not cooperating with officers’ attempts to check on the welfare of the children.

    21 Dec 2019 – Police release photos of Lori and Chad, calling them persons of interest. “They told us several stories about where the children are, but when we investigate, the children don’t exist where they say they should,” Rexburg Police Chief Shane Turman told Friday. “We don’t know where they are at, but we think they are in pretty serious danger.”

    22 Dec 2019 – KW & LW, grandparents of JJ, plead for any information on the location of the children, "Just show me JJ, show me Tylee, let us see that those kids are OK," their grandfather pleads (Fox10 Phoenix).

    22 Dec 2019 – BB, Lori’s former nephew by marriage, says Lori drastically changed after meeting Chad. BB also pleads for the kids’ safe return, "They're both just innocent and they didn't deserve to be involved in any of this." (Fox10 Phoenix)

    23 Dec 2019 – BB spoke to the press claiming that Lori and Chad were part of a cult that his ex-wife Melani has also joined. BB also claims that there was an attempt on his life connected to this case:
    “I spent the last 11 years of my life spending time with Lori and her now-deceased husband Charles,” BB said. “I don’t know what happened to those kids, but I know there’s people who do, and they’re not talking...”

    “You can’t be a member of the church and believe those things,” BB said. “I think it’s an infatuation with the end of the world and an infatuation with power, and they’re using it to try to make money off of people’s beliefs.”

    “A couple months ago there was an attempt on my life, so I went into hiding with my kids,” BB said, referencing his 4 young children with Melani. “All I could think was: "Someone's shooting at me. What do I need to do? I need to hit the gas and get out of here."

    23 Dec 2019 - Attorney Sean Bartholick issued statement on the Daybells’ behalf:
    “Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor.”

    23 Dec 2019 – KW, sister of Charles Vallow and grandmother of JJ, says she is skeptical that JJ and Tylee are still alive, "If I have a worst enemy, I would never wish this on them. I would never wish this on anybody," said KW. "She just turned off. The person we knew just went away and she did not want JJ anymore. We were just trying to tell her, God. please let her go to a fire station, a church or something." (Fox10 Phoenix)

    24 Dec 2019 – CR, oldest son of Lori and brother of Tylee, release a Youtube video discussing the case. “Every week or two weeks has been something — new news that just sinks your heart through your stomach,” CR said. “I didn't know there was a whole other family involved or anything." (Fox13 News, Fox10 Phoenix)

    24 Dec 2019 – KW says Charles and Lori were separated for a few months before his death after Charles suspected her of infidelity. She said Lori was financially dependent on Charles. KW believes Lori had joined a cult after listening to religious podcasts she made discussing the “end of days” published by Preparing a People, based in Highland, Utah (Idaho State Journal).

    24 Dec 2019 - Former FBI Deputy Assistant Director Danny Coulson speculates that JJ and Tylee are being held by members of a cult that is preparing for the end of the world (Fox News).

    24 Dec 2019 - Fremont County Sheriff Len Humphries says he has reason to believe the children were pulled out of school so they could be homeschooled. He also says “For any kind of an investigation to go forward, we need facts. Certainly, if someone has some information that is factual, or they know where we can obtain evidence, we would be very interested in knowing about that,"… “Social media does tend to lend itself to lots of gossip, which doesn't really help anybody." (KTVB7)

    24 Dec 2019 – BH says he was friends with Chad and they served a mission together in NJ. He is in shock from the reports that Chad is now under investigation. “I just was horrified, shaking when I first saw it because this is the last guy that I ever thought would be involved in something like this.” (KJZZ News, Fox13 News)

    24 Dec 2019 – A Daily Mail source says that Chad Daybell was excommunicated from the LDS church in the Fall of 2019 for declaring himself a Prophet. The LDS spokesman declined to comment. (Daily Mail, Radar Online).

    25 Dec 2019 – Christmas Day.

    26 Dec 2019 - Preparing A People removed Chad and Lori’s podcasts and issued a statement denying they are a cult and claiming Chad had not spoken at one of their events since Feb 2019.

    27 Dec 2019 – An anonymous friend says Lori became obsessed with Chad's books about 4 years ago. Friend says she can't wrap her head around what's happening; remembers Lori as amazing mother who devoted herself to Tylee and Joshua;

    "She would fly her daughter's friend from Arizona to come see her just so that she would have a better week. I mean she's like mother of the year here," she remembered.

    But now she realizes there may have been red flags, "She was 100% into the end of times, the end of the world and she would tell me no you really gotta start preparing for the end of the world. You gotta start getting your stuff together. She would order stuff all the time she would tell me I needed to read all these books," her friend said. The books written by Chad were a fictional series called "Standing in Holy Places." "Those books she got really obsessed with and she started buying me those books too. She must have gotten close to him from his books."

    "Lori would say things to me like 'I'm never gonna get divorced again. I'm on my fourth husband.'" Adding, "And then she would tell me, 'You gotta get rid of your husband. We'll just go off and do our own thing.'"

    Lori would allegedly say, "It's gonna be the end of the world and we should all just drive off a cliff and kill us and our kids and die all at the same time." (Fox7Austin)

    27 Dec 2019 – Julie Rowe says Chad had visions Tammy would die. “Angels had told him that he was going to lose Tammy,” Julie told a local TV station . Julie said Chad told her he wanted to get out of the publishing business but that Tammy did not.
    “He said I’m ready to get out and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this.”
    Julie also say the missing children are safe. “I do know the kids are safe. I can see them,” she said. “I can see their energy and that they’re in a bright house.” (The Daily Beast)

    28 Dec 2019 - Rexburg Police Capt. Gary Hagen told “I don’t think we’re any closer than what we were two weeks ago … (and) time is always of the essence in any case, especially something like this.” Hagen also addressed rumors that this is all related to a child custody battle. “That’s what they claim, but we have proved that there is no active custody battle,” Hagen said. (KSL News)

    30 Dec 2019 – LE releases statement: “We know that the children are not with Lori and Chad Daybell, and we also have information indicating that Lori knows either the location of the children or what has happened to them,” the release says. “Despite having this knowledge, she has refused to work with law enforcement to help us resolve this matter. It is astonishing that rather than work with law enforcement to help us locate her own children, Lori Vallow has chosen instead to leave the state with her new husband.” Rexburg Police Department

    30 Dec 2019 – Rexburg PD says Lori told witnesses Tylee died a year before the death of her father Joseph Ryan - which is false. This happened weeks after Tammy Daybell’s death. Police say Chad Daybell also said Lori had no minor children.

    30 Dec 2019 – Actress Valentina and filmmaker Devin K Hansen say they have not heard from Chad since Sept 23, 2019 and that the project to make his book into a movie is officially canceled (Fox13).

    3 Jan 2020 – Lori’s oldest son CR speaks out on Good Morning America saying he has “absolutely no idea” where his siblings are. He says he is in the dark like everyone else and just praying that they are safe somewhere. (GMA Video).

    3 Jan 2020 – FBI and local LE search the Daybell’s home at 202 North 1900 East, Rexburg, ID. Fremont Co Sheriff Len Humphries says they have “sufficient probable cause to get a search warrant for the home. Officers are searching for forensic evidence such as blood or chemicals, which might shed some light on the Daybell case.” (East Idaho News).

    3 Jan 2020 - Officers spend time in the Daybell home and search a shed on the property. At one point, they used metal detectors, probes and rakes to go over several portions of the yard (East Idaho News).

    3 Jan 2020 - FBI spokeswoman Sandra Yi Barker confirms that the FBI is assisting with the case. “We were contacted by Rexburg Police on Nov. 27,” Barker said. “I won’t get into details but we are offering investigative, forensic and technical assistance in Idaho and Utah. Today, members of our Evidence Response Team are in Rexburg assisting with evidence collection. Our victim specialist has also been made available to the families of Joshua Vallow and Tylee Ryan.”

    3 Jan 2020 - LE concluded the search at the Daybell property. Detectives wrapped up at the home and finished serving the search warrant Fri evening. They released the home to Chad Daybell's adult children, who Sheriff Humphries said currently live in the house. The sheriff would not specify what was found in the search, but described it as “evidence” and “primarily about Tammy." “The evidence collected today will be sent off for examination by experts,” said Sheriff Len Humphries of Fremont County, Idaho, adding it could take months to process.
    (KMVT News, Fox13 Salt Lake City).

    3 Jan 2020 - Sheriff Len Humphries says they believe the death of Tammy is related to the missing children. "Those are the two pieces of this," he said. "And how they're related we're not quite sure, but we do believe they are related." He said Chad and Lori refuse to speak to law enforcement and have left the state. He said a lawyer reached out to them weeks ago, saying he was the point of contact for the couple. "We do think they've left Idaho," Sheriff Humphries said. "But that's about all." (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

    3 Jan 2020 - FOX 10 Phoenix releases disturbing court paperwork from Feb 2019 when CV initially filed for divorce from Lori. Charles eventually dropped the divorce case in March 2019; In the divorce documents it says Lori claimed she was married to the Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she had lived multiple past lives on different planets. Lori also believes she was married to James the Just and was Mary French in the 1800’s, the grandmother of Joseph Smith, Jr. She also claims to be “a translated being” that cannot die and that she was sent to lead the 144,000 into the new millennium.

    3 Jan 2020 – Fox 10 Phoenix interviews CV’s older son on the phone; he asks his name not to be published and says, "I'm terrified for JJ. I’m terrified for Tylee," "I’m terrified for everyone surrounding them and their safety. I’m terrified for my family’s safety."

    4 Jan 2020 – A neighbor of Lori in Rexburg, SB, speaks to Fox13 Salt Lake City. "It's crazy. Just baffling," JJ, often played with SB’s kids. A couple weeks into the school year, he said he learned JJ was moving. "What we were told... he was going to move with his grandmother, go visit," Rexburg Police have since said that didn't happen (Fox13 Salt Lake City).

    July 2020 – Lori told CV that she believes July 2020 is the date of the second coming of Christ; In Jan 2019 Lori allegedly threatened to murder CV if he stood in the way of her preparing for this date. (Fox10 Phoenix, divorce records)

    Note: If a specific source is not noted in brackets above, then there are likely multiple news sources reporting the same info. See links below.

    Mainstream Media & LE Source Links:​

    The Daily Herald from Provo, Utah on May 11, 1986 · 22
    The Springville Herald from Springville, Utah on November 20, 1985 · 8
    LDS author uses the past to influence the future in new book - The Daily Universe
    'Paradise' lost book battle
    Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight
    Police seek help locating 2 endangered children, disappearance may be tied to death investigation - Local News 8
    Police: Two missing Idaho kids last seen in September
    Police seeking couple for questioning in Rexburg children’s disappearance and deaths of former spouses
    Police release photos of mother, stepdad who are now 'persons of interest' in connection to children's disappearance | East Idaho News
    Idaho police hunt for two children missing after mom marries man shortly after former wife dies | Daily Mail Online
    2 missing kids, parents wanted: What the FBI, several law enforcement agencies are investigating
    Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband
    Family of missing children say mother Lori Vallow 'joined cult' | Daily Mail Online
    Parents of missing Rexburg children issue statement, attorney says they are ‘loving’ and ‘devoted’ | East Idaho News
    Timeline: Missing kids, newlywed parents and suspicious deaths
    As search continues for missing children, family expresses fading optimism
    'Investigations need facts, not more rumors': Investigators continue the search for missing Idaho kids
    Friend of man wanted for questioning by FBI 'horrified' over missing children
    ‘This is really, really tough for us’: Brother of missing children speaks
    Aunt Of Missing Idaho Kids Reveals Their Mom & Stepdad's Involvement In Secret 'Cult'
    Former friend of missing woman, kids speaks of her complicated marital past, with two husbands dead
    Man on the run with new wife was kicked out of the Mormon church for declaring himself a prophet | Daily Mail Online
    Search continues for children as family hires attorney
    Parents of missing cult kids issue statement calling themselves 'loving' and 'devoted' | Daily Mail Online
    Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says
    Doomsday Writer’s Friend Says He Prophesied Wife’s Mysterious Death
    Despite hundreds of tips, investigators say they’re no closer to finding missing Rexburg kids
    Grandmother of missing Idaho boy is praying for him and his sister. Here’s what we know so far
    Rexburg Police Department
    Mother of missing kids knows where they are or what happened to them, police say | East Idaho News
    Tammy Daybell reported a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun 10 days before her 'suspicious' death | East Idaho News
    Missing Idaho children: Film adaptation of stepfather’s book canceled as search for children continues
    How a Gilbert drive-by shooting is tied to the Idaho missing children
    Idaho Police: Mother knows whereabouts of 2 missing children
    Grandparents Of One Of Missing Rexburg Children Speak Out?
    Police issue stark warning to mom of missing Idaho children
    Police, FBI serve search warrant at Daybell home
    Police conclude search at Daybell home | East Idaho News
    Documents: Lori Vallow claims she was 'god preparing for second coming of Christ'
    LATEST: Possible evidence found in search of missing Rexburg kids
    Police conclude search at Daybell home | East Idaho News
    Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says
    Police issue search warrant at Chad Daybell's home
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    Please continue here for Joshua & Tylee. Thank you!
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Can we bring @Gardener1850 timeline to the top of this thread versus referencing it in the media thread?
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    The article has a short video in it. In it, Joshua's grandma said she and Lori had a conversation about Lori's husband #3 (Joseph). Lori claimed that God took Joseph, but it was o'key because Joseph was an "evil, evil person."
    Joseph of course was found dead 3 weeks after he actually died, he was cremated so no exhumation is possible.
    Joshua's grandma calls Lori "black widow."
    Court documents: Mother of missing Rexburg children believes she is a reincarnated God chosen for Christ’s second coming
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    @afitzy your question about how to tell which parts of AVOW are mainstream, which are fringe, and which are culty is hard to answer—I think there are fuzzy lines on all of that. I think all AVOW members are fully participating members of their congregation—just that they have more information than everyone else because they’ve “studied the signs.” Most mainstream members don’t focus on this stuff but at church we can never tell who is who. It’s a fairly common belief in spirits visiting family members etc in dreams but that were just not supposed to talk about these experiences very openly About it because they’re such sacred special experiences, a lot of AVOW members believe they’ve personally had these experiences.

    It gets fringe just for the fact you think you have more special knowledge than others, but that’s also the basis of our religion (were the “one true church” so culturally that’s not a very far mental leap). ItS not a clear line from fringe/schism/culty when they think their leaders are disclosing more information that the general leaders either have or Are being restrained from telling everyone because the general population isn’t ready for it. Sometimes the fringe still fully affirms everything they hear at church and leaders it’s just they read between the lines to see more “those who have ears to hear” type of thing. So that’s how they could be fully contained in the church and keep leaning on the scale of fringe until they fall off like this.
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    @Idaholocal, thanks so much for this explanation!

    So, it sounds like the more 'fringe believers' could very well be hiding in plain sight and attending weekly services all over in their local LDS wards, so long as they at least publicly towed the mainstream LDS line.

    Its interesting because the mainstream LDS church clearly has a focus on preparedness and self reliance. But this mainstream focus has been twisted and turned in various ways by a variety of people it seems for financial gain it seems. I do wonder though if the CD motivation in his efforts is purely financial or have he (and Lori) crossed over into the delusional category with their beliefs? I have to admit to thinking that the comments made by Charles in the divorce legal documents posted by Reporter Lum in Phoenix regarding Lori beliefs and actions to be highly disturbing. But, given Lori's history as what appears to be a masterful liar and manipulator I'm not sure what to believe.

    Going through the Lori family and Alex in particular gives a whole cast of characters in this sad story of possible folks that might help Lori at the expense potentially of the lives of the 2 missing children. It just seems that the family works hard to protect Lori at all costs for reasons that are yet unclear.

    Were members of Lori's family/Cox extended family afraid of her as they knew what she was capable of doing?

    Why did Alex continue to do Lori's bidding it seems for years at a time?

    Would Alex have been capable of murdering JJ and Tylee at Lori's request or would he have tried to find another way to simply remove them from Lori's grasp?

    Alex it appears had opportunity as he seemed to be present in Rexburg and AZ around the time that the 2 children went missing IMO.

    Did Lori's family/Cox extended family realise that JJ and Tylee were at risk and did they do anything to safeguard the children or were they part of the plot to facilitate Lori's vision of a possibly 'new life' with Chad in preparation for the end of the world in July 2020?

    I do wonder also if CD is now communicating with any of his followers via an alternative online network now given that the PAP connection was shut down (or so we have been told - do hope LE has fully checked this out).

    I do wonder though if AVOW continues to offer CD an online mechanism for connection to followers/interested parties? I don't believe we have seen any comment from AVOW similar to what was said by PAP. I do wonder though if they continue to support the efforts of CD? If so, this would be disturbing IMO.

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    One would assume Alex and Lori had to give at least somewhat similar/coherent stories about Charles' being shot twice in the chest in supposed self-defense. So I am assuming there was no talk about Charles being in the way of Lori's mission, reincarnated/translated beings and all that? Unless of course police is so completely incompetent that it's totally mind boggling. Did they just question Alex and Lori and that was it? I don't think children were even questioned. I believe Charles' relatives (who didn't believe the self-defense story) contacted police and were blown off. Did police look at messages/calls between Alex and Lori? Alex reportedly had his own house, what was he doing in Lori's house so early in the morning Charles came to pick up JJ? And police are still investigating. Well, thank you very much, now one of the persons in the home that day is dead and the other three are missing. Maybe it wouldn't have happened if the case was properly investigated from the start?
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    To clarify, Charles Vallow did not arrive at the Chandler house where he was murdered with a baseball bat. <modsnip: no MSM to substantiate information stated as fact> There is NO evidence Charles hit Alex with a baseball bat. Both Tylee and JJ were there and witnessed the murder.
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    What worries me most about the "cult" aspect of this situation, is that more children could be in serious danger. These people need to be found.

    There are so many "cults" that ended badly, with the most innocent children as the victims.
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    Snipped by me ....
    Every time we start a new thread and I read this case-introducing first sentence brought forward from thread one, I can't help but laugh despite the direness of the situation. What an understatement! We had no idea how nuts this was going to get ... or how much more nuts it can get.
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    I concur that it is VERY hard to tell where the fuzzy line between normal LDS beliefs and the AVOW craziness. This is part of what drew me into the conversation. I can't fault anyone for struggling with that.

    - Yes I think it's more than a little bit likely that there are a lot of AVOW people hidden in a great many wards all over the world. However - I've also known pretty normal mainstream LDS people to subscribe there purely for the preparedness tips that are discussed and offered there. You can't assume that because they are registered with AVOW that they are in any way connected to this. I know a couple who have no idea who Chad Daybell even is.

    - Based on what I have seen coming directly from the owner of AVOW in the last few days, (MOO) I have NO DOUBT that he is helping to harbor anyone connected to all of this, and is likely helping to fascilitate communication. What I have seen is that this particular owner of AVOW has mocked the whole investigation and ridiculed those who are concerned.

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    Does anyone know if Tylee has Snapchat? I haven't seen that social media platform brought up.

    Also, I saw that AVOW uses an app called "Tapatalk". Not sure how this works--or if we can see if Tylee has an account with this app..

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    I certainly hope that all of this mocking and smugness, from several different groups, indicates that the children are alive and just being hidden. That the groups feel like they are just superior/smarter/ getting something over the authorities (they will be caught eventually). Because if they are acting this way without knowing for sure the kids are alive, or even knowing something worse- well there is a very toasty place awaiting them. Moo.
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