Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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  1. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    @watergirl62 said last thread:
    That was my take as well-- that the investigator wanted to discuss on the phone before sending info to all in the email chain group.

    Copying Justin's tweet again:

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    Justin Lum Fox 10
    @jlumfox10

    EXCLUSIVE: We obtained emails from
    @FBIPhoenix
    via records request. Email chain confirms analysts researched podcasts done by Lori Vallow, Melanie Gibb & Jason Mow in early December. “Not soothing by any means.” #fox10phoenix
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    7:48 PM · Mar 11, 2020

    Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

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    Quote in context is towards the bottom of the second email image and it says:

    Sounds like homicide Sgt is familiar with him because he was sleeping in the front seat of his car while he was supposed to be doing security for them as they were executing a search warrant.

    I'm calling [Redacted] now to discuss over the phone before putting anything to the group as a whole. PPD will help with whatever on this.

    Do you mind looking into him a bit furthur if you weren't already? (Dumb question I'm sure lol!)

    Thank you!

    -C

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    BBM. The "him" who was sleeping in the front seat of his car is JM. But "the group" the investigator is writing about is the group being emailed about JM, not the podcasting group. MOO.
     


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    From his podcast site (podcast removed, but intro mentioning Lori included)

    "Jason Mow of the very popular www.TheWarChapters.com has been speaking to Youth and their Parents from all over the U.S. about what it means to be a True Modern-Day Warrior for good. "Time to Warrior Up" is a nationwide movement to become all that we were destined to become in a shifting world that needs great leaders. Of course, what would Warriors be without great WOMEN of FAITH and COURAGE? That is why Melanie Gibb and Lori Vallow had the idea to do this podcast, featuring powerful women, mothers, youth and mentors to encourage others along the pathway toward a hopeful future! They will include many unique guests who will inspire all of us to Aspire to the HIGHER within! EACH OF US were born for greatness. NOW, we have the "HOW's" of implementing the Creeds, Tools, Steps, and Processes of The Warrior Ethos! We are marching toward victory...together! To buy Jason's Books "A Hero Rises," and "Teancum: The Ghost Soldier 1 & 2" go to his website: www.TheWarChapters.com These Books are also available at Deseret Book & Amazon. For more free Educational & Inspiring Videos, visit us at: www.PreparingAPeople.com"

    01 - Time to Warrior Up Podcast - Introduction - Preparing A People Podcast Network
     
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  3. FindingJoLee

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    Great point! I think it was Alex, too, but if not Alex.....WHO????
     
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  5. RexburgSleuth

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    RSBM
    I've thought all those things through as well. Here's my thoughts regarding your points:
    a/ absolutely, undisputed, even admitted by AxC
    b/ If vehicle insured, potential for no restriction on who could drive the vehicle. Else, as registered in CV name, how could anyone else drive the Jeep but CV?
    c/ Yes, but he also was known to help his sister, Lori, who was known in Rexburg at the time. It appears his loyalty lies first to Lori, and Melani only when Lori has no immediate need. (bailout of Melani was Nov 14 I believe, when Lori was in Hawaii with Chad).
    d/ I've addressed the issue of why he may have wanted to keep things hidden. Also, we don't see him ever going to storage unit with Lori in a separate vehicle. Maybe he or she was paranoid.
    e/Service could have been simply affixing the notice to the door or via certified mail. Alex being served for eviction does not mean he was in AZ at the time. (see below)
    f/ Every time we see the man who "appears to be Alex", he is in the same jacket and baseball cap. Walks the same, same build, etc. There is a potential other time when a gun case (specifically, I'd say it looks like a rifle case) was used in this convoluted case: Oct 9 at the Daybell residence.

    Arizona Eviction
    "An important step in the Arizona eviction process is proper service of the notice. A landlord may personally serve the tenant or a subtenant who is of sufficient age. If the tenant is absent, the notice may be affixed to the door of the unit as well as sent by certified or registered mail the same day. The landlord or whoever serves the tenant must document the service by drafting a written statement detailing the date, time and manner of service.

    If the tenant is served by mail, he or she is given 10-days to remedy the default before the landlord can proceed with the next step so long as the tenant does not sign the Return Receipt Certification. Otherwise, the 5 days begins when the notice was mailed if the tenant does sign the Return Receipt. If the tenant does not sign, the landlord can verify mailing by obtaining a stamped Receipt for Certified Mail from the post office."
     
  6. Bellat

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    Does anyone know if a blood hound was to smell a piece of clothing of Tylee’s...... would it be able to find Tylee’s presence at YNP? I am fixated on finding these two babies... even if they are gone from this earth. They deserve to be laid to rest side by side somewhere where family can visit . I hate the thought of not knowing where they are now until after May? That’s crazy. JMO
     
  7. Sticksandspades

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    Reminder me how we know this to be true?
     
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    JM?
     
  9. AZlawyer

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    I don’t do landlord/tenant law, so I was unaware of these super-easy service rules! I had already pointed out that Alex could have been served anytime between Sept 26 and Oct 1, but now I think the proof of service filed Oct 1 means nothing at all about when he was or wasn’t in AZ.
     
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    Don’t know if this has been posted, I haven’t seen it... KSL

     
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    Being covered on HLN’s “True Crime Live” now.

    * I didn’t catch any new information today.
     
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    If we were allowed to sleuth that person I might look at his speaking schedule, but we aren't allowed to sleuth that person.
     
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    IMO some hilarious comments on this video!!!
    Anyway to link it? I missed it yesterday.
     
  14. RexburgSleuth

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    {{{{{{ REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE }}}}}}
    Can someone please find for me the news report, police report, or court doc that states that BB tried to flee after he was shot at, and the perp followed for a time and then left.

    Thank you in advance!
     
  15. Tortoise

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    READ: The documents charging Lori Vallow Daybell | East Idaho News

    page right down below the complaint to the affidavit.
     
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    In October 2001, the Deseret News printed a story about Chad, who, two months earlier, had published One Foot in the Grave, his account of working as a gravedigger in the Springville cemetery (Not all is grave for a sexton). The account includes numerous stories that Chad admits are "strange." But this strangeness, he tells the Des News, is actually proof of their authenticity.

    "I couldn't really exaggerate or fabricate any of these stories," he insists, "they're just too bizarre."

    Sixteen years later, in his autobiography, Chad answers what he says is the question he gets most often: "What parts of your books are based on what you've seen in a vision, and what part did you make up?" (FOX 13 Investigates: Do Chad Daybell’s books leave clues about missing Rexburg children?). Well, it's pretty simple. None of it is made up.

    "I don't fictionalize any of the events portrayed," he writes. "I'm really not that creative . . . My torn veil allows information to be downloaded into my brain from the other side. The scenes I am shown are real events . . ."

    He describes one of these "real events" in his 2015 blog post "Eddie and the ghost boy" (13- Eddie and the ghost boy | cdaybell.com).

    During one of his stints as a gravedigger, Chad buried a man named Eddie, who in life had apparently been known as "a petty thief." From the moment Eddie was in the ground, "weird things" started happening. The window to the women's restroom would crack open every morning, even though Chad had shut it the night before!!! Then, three times in one week, the gate to an enclosure was found open, despite Chad's having locked it every time!!!

    "Eddie was still picking locks," Chad tells us, "despite being dead."

    Then one morning the strangest thing (or "biggest surprise") of all happened. Once again, despite Chad locking the door the night before (!!!), a shed was found open and, this time, the padlock had been hooked tauntingly on a peg above it. By now, Eddie's high jinks are getting to Chad. Furious, he turns round and shouts: "Eddie, you don't belong here. There's a better place for you. Look around, go toward the light, and don't come back!"

    Thankfully, Eddie listened, and Chad "didn't have any problems with the locks after that."

    This is indeed a "bizarre" story: a dead man picks a bunch of locks but stops when Chad tells him to. According to Chad, we should believe it happened exactly as he reported because he lacks the creativity and imagination to make something like that up. Really? A man capable of writing a dozen novels is incapable of making up a story about a thief who keeps doing thief things after he dies?

    For the non-Mormons on this thread, you should know that stories like these are very common in Mormon culture. They proliferated in the early days of the Church, and, in truth, they have never gone away. I make this point explicitly because for mainstream Mormons there would have been nothing particularly unusual about this story. Now whether they believe it or not, I'm not sure. But it's an incredibly familiar kind of story and not one that any born-and-bred Mormon would read and immediately think to themselves "OMG! Chad is a liar!"

    But really, what are the other options? If, like me, you take it a given that the events Chad described here never happened, then there are really only three possible explanations for why he said they did.

    The first and most innocuous is that Chad wrote stories like this to teach good principles in a humorous and engaging manner. If he'd never insisted they were real, it might have been reasonable to assume he had written them with tongue firmly in cheek. But Chad insists these strange things happened exactly as he said they did. So he himself rules out the most favorable interpretation.

    The second possible explanation for Chad writing stories like "Eddie" and insisting they're real is he's insane. He wrote them because he genuinely believed he had experienced them. But to me this is not plausible. The stories are far, far too neat to be the product of a truly deranged and psychotic mind. This explanation does not pass the sniff test.

    The third possible explanation, and to me the only remotely persuasive one, is that Chad made these stories up. In other words, he lied. Why did he lie? Well, I'm not a psychologist, but it seems to me there are two very obvious motivations: 1) he wanted to feel special and 2) he wanted to make money. Telling quirky tales and putting them into a book that people bought . . . Well, what's not to love?

    I don't know how much money One Foot in the Grave made for Chad, nor, of course, do I really know that publishing it made him feel special. But here's what I feel like I do know: the books Chad writes and the comments he makes about the things he describes in those books are evidence that he has had a very tortuous relationship with the truth for at least 20 years. And what's more, he's fine with that. He is, and has long been, a very calm and accomplished liar.

    MOO
     
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    That was me.

    8 weeks x 40 hours/wk x 3 law firms x $225/hr (google search of "avg atty fee") = $216,000.

    I was serious about it in a "thinking out loud" kind of way. Not pinning any importance to the particular number but pointing out this could easily be a huge budget for the defense team before they get to a preliminary hearing. I was thinking along the lines that CSIDreamer pointed out, this is the highest profile case these lawyers have had so if they aren't working on it their paralegals and/or law partners are.

    Maybe I am way off, I have never thought about the budget for a criminal defense before. And knock on wood, I never will.
     
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    A scent dog probably could track the kids if they had a starting point, but Yellowstone National Park is something like 60 miles north to south and 50-ish miles east to west as the crow flies, much longer by roads. That's bigger than several east coast states (Wikipedia says bigger than RI and Delaware combined). So they can't just start doing grid searches. Even limiting it to the major accessible areas would probably be a couple hundred square miles.
     
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