Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

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  1. Patch Tuesday

    Patch Tuesday Well-Known Member

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    Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

    I believe this is going to be a more complicated case than it looks on the surface. The children's mother (Lori Wallows) recently married a man (Chad Daybell) a few weeks after his wife died. It was presumed the late wife had died of natural causes but was exhumed recently and her death is now being investigated.
    The new wife's husband was shot in a family argument earlier this year:

    Chandler Police identify man who was shot dead during family fight

    The husband and wife are not cooperating with police and have since vanished.

    ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION


    Timeline Links (Update 7):
    Part I (1968 - 2017)
    Part II (Dec 2017 - 10 July 2019)
    Part III (11 July 2019)
    Part IV (12 July 2019 - 30 Nov 2019)
    Part V (December 2019)
    Part VI (January 2020)
    Part VII (February 2020)


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  2. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    This thread is dedicated to discussion of two missing kids, JJ and Tylee.

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  3. GoneGoldfishin'

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    Before a new thread is made, I wanted to ask if it would be appropriate/okay to have this link from East Idaho News at the beginning of each thread, in addition to the time line from Gardener and the Media thread link.
    It is a consistently updated list of all the stories they have run in (reverse) chronological order and I have found it to be a good reference.
    Daybell Case Stories | East Idaho News
     
  4. Rich In AZ

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    As I watched these interviews, I can’t help contrast and compare Brandon and Ian. Above all else BB has been motivated to protect and care for his children. He’s never been arrested for violence. He’s established a successful and legitimate business. IP doesn’t have any type of career. BB was successful enough to allow MBP to always stay at home to care for their children. MBP received over $200k in the divorce settlement. Look at the morning of the attempted murder. BB dropped two children off at school, worked out at the gym then drove to his house where a bullet that just missed him broke the window of his Tesla Model X. BB, along with Colby, are the only family members that seem to express real concern and fear for Tylee and JJ. Throughout this ordeal BB has never been caught in any lie. Accusations against MP are all backed by sources and witnesses. IP can’t take a stand on anything. Especially for his age, IP appears to be a soft couch potato. BB, like CV, seem to be well-rounded complete package kind of guys. Those two men take care of their families, their business, provide well, stay healthy, and have integrity. IP, like AC and CD, is a guy that struggles with integrity, temper, career, family and health.
     
  5. SleuthD-o-doubleg

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    Great comparisons! Definitely adds more questions and thoughts to the whole thing.
     
  6. CuriousQuiet1

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    Sorry if I am reading too much into this but you mention "not all of Chad's kids seemed to know" he was marrying Lori. I was under the impression none of his kids knew Lori or anything about Lori until after CD/LVD's wedding. Did any of his kids know Lori or about the affair or about the wedding before it happened?
     
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    I do remember that and it stood out to me because also the way she said that was different. I felt like as she was saying it, she was thinking she shouldn't be saying it. I thought either she is lying or taking the kids to Vegas wasn't approved by mom. I don't want to rewatch it to figure it out because she is just plain unbelievable most of the time.
     
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    I believe I saw something about one of them saying Lori was a family friend. Not sure on the link, might have been EIN? I wish I could remember where all these things pop up but I’ve read so many articles.

    ETA: I found this article which appears none of them knew about the marriage. Former friend: Chad Daybell predicted his late wife's death and brainwashed his kids
     
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    I seem to recall reading somewhere that CD claimed he was going to Hawaii to work on his book, and just happened to bump into Lori there.

    This group sure has a lot of coincidental encounters:

    - MP just happens to end up in the same complex as Lori, Alex, and IP
    - MP and IP just happen to get married in Vegas, a few hours before Alex does.

    I am sure that I am missing more "coincidental" encounters too. I don't see the reason that they have to lie about these encounters.

    MOO
     
  10. Midwestmom2019

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    They are lying to cover their behinds. The more lies, the bigger the mess. The bigger the mess, the more difficult it will be for the prosecution to prove their case. I just hope the prosecution brings it all back to one thing: two kids are missing without a trace. Lori Vallow Daybell is responsible for their health and well being. She failed. Her failure is a crime. Punish her.
    Simple, no? All the other stuff is fluff. Actually, this is getting boring. It’s being piled higher and deeper. The bottom line? Two kids are missing without a trace. Focus on what’s the most important thing here: two kids are missing.
     
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    https://juniperpublishers.com/jfsci/pdf/JFSCI.MS.ID.555796.pdf

    I messed up trying to post this and another article earlier. This might be an interesting reference for anybody interested in autopsy findings in poisonings. (Organophosphate, Ex pesticide/insecticide, by suicide or homicide is still in my differential for Alex)
     
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  13. KonaHonu

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    MOO, any evidence of frequent contacts among family members or lovers, Lori and Chad, Lori, Melanis, Alex, other Coxes would be extremely weak at trial. If I were a juror I don't think evidence of phone contacts between Alex and Melani, even if there appeared to be a pattern related to events like the BB shooting would be persuasive to me. Even if she were calling Alex every day to complain about what BB was doing, I would see that as normal or easily explained and even if Alex took a shot, I would not see evidence of her conspiring with him.

    Before we knew AC died of natural causes my opinion was that he was killed to clean up a loose end in CV's death and BB's attempted death. So I am certainly inclined to think that way. But I hope no one is wasting too much time on phone records because calls between family members are normal and to me, not incriminating unless we have incriminating content.
     
  14. KonaHonu

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    Gonna say this without names to comply with TOS. This group was actively recruiting men in February 2019. A person we have discussed here recently but can't sleuth was doing it actively. I think he was probably recruited and there are likely many more out there we have not heard about.
     
  15. KonaHonu

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    I'm not LDS and frankly don't have a high opinion of the Mormon church. But you've hit on the key idea here. There are not Mormons acting normally. These are a bunch of whackos doing their own thing under a guise of religion. We just need to figure out what their grand plan is and why so many people have died or disappeared.
     
  16. KonaHonu

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    Exactly my point. The only exception would be if it were a fully prepaid policy predating their marriage. That is possible. But if the policy earned any dividends that were reinvested during their marriage it would be subject to proration. Given Lori's current inability to effectively challenge probate I cannot understand why the insurance company paying Kay was not a horrible mistake.

    Insurance companies make huge mistakes. When I formed a living trust years ago, one of the biggest insurance/investment companies in the US screwed up paperwork 3 times! And ended up paying my lawyer to fix it twice.

    I have no idea if there was an error in this case or just a good faith effort to pay out quickly. But one would think that after being made aware of a beneficiary dispute in a community property state (by both parties) then learning Charles died by homicide committed by a party related to a possible beneficiary (it's still homicide even if justifiable self defense), the insurance company would have done their own deep investigation.
     
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    Slight correction. We thinkk IP did have his kids with him. But otherwise, good point.
     
  18. KonaHonu

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    Organophosphate poisoning is such a common suspect, why woul they not routinely test for that. Even if homocide were not suspected it could happen from routine yard work without precautions.
     
  19. indicolite22

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    It was stated in Chad's document that levels 4.1 or above "rarely switch sides", so by this design it's not impossible.
     
  20. indicolite22

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    I'm afraid that if it's not proven that she was a bad mother, she could get away with much less than the maximum of 14 years per child for child abandonment. Her belief in zombies might not be taken into account here.
     
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