Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[GoneGoldfishin']

What good did it do CV to go to police about the same kind of claims? When he called police about his concerns about her mental instability demonstrated by these expressed beliefs AND by her extreme actions (cancelling his trip and hiding his truck, vacating the house and changing the locks, emptying the bank accounts), CV pointed out that she had their two children with her. And the police totally blew him off, saying that was her right as their mother. Quite honestly, they sounded like they thought it was "some of that weird LDS stuff" (the officer said he was not LDS so he didn't know about all this stuff) and didn't want anything to do with it.

The difference here, is that if MG had gone to CPS or LE in this case, they would not have been able to find TR, and that would have set off a chain of events that could not have been dismissed. She would have to have been accounted for at BYU according to MG, and when that lie was exposed LE would have been compelled to dig deeper. It would have been too late for TR, but potentially not for JJ. Moo.

 

[Diddian]

Plus, everything that I have heard about LVD I believe that she is highly functional. Meaning that she would have been smart enough to know exactly what to say around LEO and how to act around them. She would have had them believing that MG was the crazy one instead, and would have had the police completely believing it. Just look how she handled the whole thing with CV.

MOO

This is infuriating because we saw it happening the day Lori went in to report her purse stolen. I know that guy was a rookie, but since so much of police work involves dealing with destruction wrought by sociopaths, you'd think early recognition of the tactics of such people would be in the training.

Which brings to mind an inconsistency I noted in this latest part of the MG interview: I thought that Lori went to submit to a psych evaluation at Community Bridges AFTER she had that interview in the police department, but in this latest interview, MG seems to say that Lori had been mentally evaluated BEFORE they went into the police department.

 

[indicolite22]

The difference here, is that if MG had gone to CPS or LE in this case, they would not have been able to find TR, and that would have set off a chain of events that could not have been dismissed. She would have to have been accounted for at BYU according to MG, and when that lie was exposed LE would have been compelled to dig deeper. It would have been too late for TR, but potentially not for JJ. Moo.

I doubt MG suspected that Lori harmed Tylee when she visited in September, especially when Lori was seemingly making plans to send JJ to Kay.

 

[April_Dawn99]

Which brings to mind an inconsistency I noted in this latest part of the MG interview: I thought that Lori went to submit to a psych evaluation at Community Bridges AFTER she had that interview in the police department, but in this latest interview, MG seems to say that Lori had been mentally evaluated BEFORE they went into the police department.

SBM
I also was wondering about this moment, so I went back and listened once again. Nate asks if the mental evaluation happened "when purse incident happened", and she said "surely after", so no inconsistency there, just not really clear (10:20 in video)

 

[Diddian]

SBM
I also was wondering about this moment, so I went back and listened once again. Nate asks if the mental evaluation happened "before purse incident happened", and she said "surely after", so no inconsistency there, just not really clear (10:20 in video)

Thank you for checking and responding here.

 

[Onsdag]

JMO
I totally agree. At some point someone in their clan should have had some common sense to realize Lori and Chad were going off the deep end.

I feel so bad for Lori's most recent dead husband Charles that got killed by her brother.

He was about the only one that had common sense and he did try to get others to see what was happening with Lori. The problem is that he mainly went to people that seemed to side with Lori and believed some of the same crap.

If he would have been able to get enough people to open their eyes to what was happening, then maybe the kids and his life would have been spared.

BBM.

I don't fault him for that. I mean who would you go to for help? He went to family and friends, those closest to himself and Lori to try and figure out what was going on and also try and help her. Some of them did recognize that there was a problem (at least BB and AdC from what I can gather). It's a shame that more didn't believe him, or even saw his actions as being hostile when they weren't.

It also seems like Charles turned to his religious leaders, medical professionals, and even LE and the legal system when all was said and done. But Lori was good at convincing people that she wasn't the problem. Heck, it appears like she was even able to convince Charles himself not to go through with the divorce paperwork and give her another go. In my opinion he did everything under the sun to work things out and get the help they needed. Tragically it just didn't happen in time.

 

[Bree68]

Since he isn't a POI any info will need to come from MSM relating to this case. We aren't supposed to mention P*P really as they've thrown out a cease and desist towards mentioning them. Jmo

Oh okay I did not know that. Thank you.

 

[JujuColumbo]

Wondering WHEN will Chad be arrested?? LE has got to be close to having enough evidence....

 

[divineappt]

I have been looking at gaslighting and narcissists and cults. Whew! From what I have gleaned, many if not all narcissists and cults are gaslighting. That’s not to say all gaslighters are narcissists or in cults.

Most of us may have had at least a small dose of gaslighting at one time in our lives. We may not have known it at the time.

Oh and most gaslighting is not what we’ve seen on TV. No moving brooches or flickering lights. Most of it is subtle. Not that I have watched the 1944 film “Gaslight, I’m not that interested. Reading is less likely to give me nightmares!

Just a few bits from
Gaslighting: Signs You're Suffering From This Secret Form of Emotional Abuse

“One of the most troubling aspects of gaslighting is that everyone is at risk. In fact, it is a method commonly used by cult leaders and dictators. While many of us have the good sense to not join a cult, we can experience gaslighting in our personal relationships without even realizing it.

Unfortunately, gaslighting is also used by abusers and narcissists, and it can be difficult realizing you may have those people in your life. Furthermore, gaslighting happens in a deliberately slow, precise way to ensure that the victim doesn’t realize it’s even happening.

It’s hard to recognize this type of abuse because, in addition to lying, the gaslighter may also be incredibly charming. At first, you may even find yourself feeling guilty that you are second-guessing this individual. The abuser uses tactics to prove your concerns otherwise and quickly you begin ignoring your gut. If it was wrong the first couple of times, it must always be wrong. This confusion is precisely what the abuser wants. As a result, without even realizing it, you are in an abusive relationship.

One of the terrifying parts of gaslighting is the methodical timeline that the abuser uses. The manipulation happens gradually and over time the victim morphs into someone entirely different. The most confident human being can become a shell of a person without being aware of it in the process. The victim’s individual reality diminishes and becomes that of the abuser.

Gaslighting is a technique commonly used by narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths. Since these are words we typically hear on television to describe a serial killer, you may not realize this person may be in your day to day life.

Projecting
If the gaslighter is a liar and a cheater, they are now accusing you of being a liar and a cheater. You constantly feel like you need to defend yourself for things you haven’t done.”

This one jumped out at me. Who was cheating? Who was coming from where to kill who? I am sure we can add more. All projecting (transposing) what she was doing, meant to turn attention away from her wrong doing.

Gaslighting is learned not inherited. Much of it happens in childhood when we have no other learning to base right or wrong on. Some of us may not be introduced to it until a romantic or other relationship.

None of this is insanity. Although watching this unfold makes me want to scream “They are insane!”

I had not even known that a lot of what I went through was “learned” gaslighting. The person involved did not know. Doesn’t make it right or hurt less.

I don’t know if any of this helps the various LE profilers.(I’m sure they and many of you got here long before I did.)

It just seriously raised my awareness of the things to look out for in my life and other’s.

It also may give us a closer look at the box in which they live.

(This is just one of many articles I read.) MOO JMO

 

[divineappt]

My Notes:

6:20 - Confimation that Chad is the one who told Lori that Charles was Ned Schneider. And apparently this "unclean spirit" had been friends with Charles but had since passed away and had taken over Charles' body.

15:10 - Lori told Melanie that Charles was coming from Texas to kill Lori. (MOO- Lori sounds like she had a lot of paranoid thoughts)

17:00 - Lori believed Kay was a zombie as well.

18:10 - Alex told Melanie that he "100% believed" the concept of zombies.

I wonder if he began to question it and turned into a Zombie?

 

[longtimereader]

With this new info from MG about their temple visits together though, we can suppose that LE will have requested surveillance from temple car parks or details of bookings of rooms or similar visits perhaps.

Also, wouldn't the church challenge CD about this alleged misuse of temple premises? Plotting and meeting up behind the backs of spouses is one thing, involving a holy place in those plans is quite another thing.

MOO

They may have been sealed in HI temple after the legal ceremony on beach.

 

[tresir2012]

JJ disappears
After Lori told Gibb in September that JJ was a zombie, the two decided it would be best to have him stay with his grandmother in Louisiana.

According to Gibb, Lori said, “He’s in the way of our mission, so we need to send him to Kay’s house.”

“We talked about Kay, and we talked about some of her family members that could actually take him on. … We talked about what that conversation would be like with Kay, and she wasn’t sure if Kay would really receive him. … That was the plan that I knew of – he’s going to Kay’s house. … That’s what I believed was going to happen, so I left thinking that’s where he was going … Kay’s for sure,” Gibb said. “I didn’t doubt that.”

Gibb returned home to Arizona and spoke with Lori a few times. Lori told her about meeting Kay at the airport and leaving JJ with her. Gibb didn’t think anything of it until two days before Thanksgiving. She was in Utah for the holiday, and Chad called her out of the blue. She says he sounded scared and nervous.

Part 2: Melanie Gibb describes zombies, JJ's disappearance and the 'fatal attraction' between Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

So it may be worth LE checking flights to see if JJ went on a flight with someone other than Kay. There could be a bit of truth in what Lori said just not about who he went with. That would mean he went somewhere after the last seen date from school, so after 23rd September. Or maybe after 1 October because JC supposedly spoke to him by phone on 1 Oct. MOO.

 

[Onsdag]

And here's the thing. I'm not trying to start a theological debate but what they describe as zombies is what Christians the world over call demon possession. Jmo

Except we don't advocate killing them.

And perhaps that's one of the reasons these people use the "zombie" term - it dehumanizes the person. A person possessed by a devil is still a good person, just possessed, and therefore can be saved and the devil cast out, whereas a "zombie" in pop culture is already dead and beyond saving. So calling someone a "zombie" makes it easier for them to justify and rationalize doing inhumane things to that person. IMO.

 

[wenwe4]

JJ would never have received SSI payments, even with Lori being a single mom after CVS death. Based on CV's earnings, he would have received much much more in survivors benefits than for SSI, and you can't receive both. MO(very experienced)O.

Not sure if this is the case here but sometimes when "the State" places children in foster or kinship care, and they are all aware the child has special needs, then the State will offer adoption support services (ie: monthly support payments, medical insurance, food benefits, access to services/programs for free or reduced costs, etc). Could this be a factor in the $6k amount? It is not often, but some children with very high special needs can be eligible for upwards of $1500 monthly. Of course, that usually doesn't even cover the costs of expenses most caretakers endure for kiddos with these high requirements just for quality of life issues.

 

[natsound]

She did go to LE herself and told them that Lori and Chad asked her to lie, so I'm not sure what you're saying?

MOO.

Are you saying that MG went to police when Chad called her two days before Thanksgiving and asked her not to pick up the phone for police etc? When she said she got a sinking feeling?

It seems to me that MG went along with some of this stuff for a bit, or at least didn’t act on it, until after her long conversation with her friend.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

What good did it do CV to go to police about the same kind of claims? When he called police about his concerns about her mental instability demonstrated by these expressed beliefs AND by her extreme actions (cancelling his trip and hiding his truck, vacating the house and changing the locks, emptying the bank accounts), CV pointed out that she had their two children with her. And the police totally blew him off, saying that was her right as their mother. Quite honestly, they sounded like they thought it was "some of that weird LDS stuff" (the officer said he was not LDS so he didn't know about all this stuff) and didn't want anything to do with it.

The difference here, is that if MG had gone to CPS or LE in this case, they would not have been able to find TR, and that would have set off a chain of events that could not have been dismissed. She would have to have been accounted for at BYU according to MG, and when that lie was exposed LE would have been compelled to dig deeper. It would have been too late for TR, but potentially not for JJ. Moo.

I doubt MG suspected that Lori harmed Tylee when she visited in September, especially when Lori was seemingly making plans to send JJ to Kay.

I was talking about Lori's describing JJ as a zombie, pointing out his mannerisms etc, when CV had just been murdered for being a zombie. That is what should have been reported, then it would have been discovered that Tylee was missing.

 

[Gardener1850]

The difference here, is that if MG had gone to CPS or LE in this case, they would not have been able to find TR, and that would have set off a chain of events that could not have been dismissed. She would have to have been accounted for at BYU according to MG, and when that lie was exposed LE would have been compelled to dig deeper. It would have been too late for TR, but potentially not for JJ. Moo.

The problem is, what info did MG have at that time to know that Tylee wasn't attending BYU as Lori told her? MG was only visiting Rexburg for a long weekend it seems and she apparently didn't question that story at the time. Also, she apparently didn't even know Tylee's real age as she mentions in the interview something about Tylee getting her GED "at age 16 or 17" -- Getting her GED at age 17 would have been impossible since Tylee disappeared before her 17th birthday in Sept 2019. If MG thought Tylee already turned 18 in Sept 2019, then it's not that strange that an 18 year old would go to college and live in the dorms rather than with her mom. But Tylee was still only 16 when she disappeared. I'm guessing Lori lied about Tylee's age while she was friends with MG in AZ to make Tylee older than she was. If so, it's even more evidence of premeditation now that we look back on it-- Lori was already planning early to tell people Tylee was away at school as a cover story for where Tylee was when she was missing-- she told the dog trainer and some relatives the same lie about Tylee going to BYU and even told police detectives after CV's death that Tylee was planning to go to BYU-Hawaii. Most people don't jump to thinking someone murdered their daughter when the mom says the daughter moved out to go to college. I am curious if MG got told that Tylee was a zombie as so far she hasn't mentioned that...

MOO.

 

[Bellat]

There is ample evidence!

Please go to the Arizona Corporation Commission web page Arizona Corporation Commission, enter "Vallow" in the Principal Name field and follow what comes up. You will find some of CV's business partners. I won't name them because i don't think that is allowed. Follow the trail and you will find a great deal more information that you seem to be disputing without any evidence at all.



Then go to the Harris County Texas probate court (Web Inquiry) and find the probate filings related to his death. You'll find he is involved in at least 2 LLCs. One has an outstanding loan of $200,000. The Texas Secretary of State will verify for you that CV was a member of the LLC and if you pay them they will tell you sho the other members are. PFS Marketing LLC was apparently dissolved in 2018 and PFS Marketing Inc was formed at about the same time. Once again, you cam pay to find out who the officers and shareholders are.

The same probate filing exhibits a promissory note signed by CV on behalf of PFS Marketing LLC for $200,000 offering an equity stake in PFS as well as a company with initial AA. Look into the background of the principals of AA. There are many fraud complaints against them that resulted in being barred from the financial industry. Also many federal tax liens.

I've made the argument that Lori likely had a lawful claim to half of CVs life insurance proceeds. People here want to believe she did not and that is fine. But, if the man owed me $200,000 and his widow, who was also his business partner, had a claim on life insurance that could be used to pay be back, you can bet your life I'd be putting the squeeze on her. Now, I'm a law abiding guy so I'd do it in the courts. But people with a disregard for authority just might resort to more extreme collection techniques.

Well it’s really not here or there at this point. Even if she was entitled to fight for half she didn’t educate herself and it went to the right person in my opinion. I only hope Kay gives money to Charles’s living children. Which I am sure she will. Loris plan didn’t have time to go through the court system to get her half. That could take years. So that alone would discourage her for fighting for it. Plus in the probate hearing Kay would likely bring up the fact that she was involved with her husbands demise. Lori wouldn’t want to go thro that whole process period. So instead she considered Kay dark and moved on to plan b for Tammys life insurance and new she would still get Tylee and JJ’s benefits. Now as far a criminally wrong for her to take that money out of the business account.... in the long run it is criminal. She was able to take it out because she was obviously on the checking account but to do so by law..... she would have to spend that money paying the business bills or employees. Your not allowed to take money out and use it for rent and dragging your kids around the country. If Charles was alive and they were going through divorce court.... and he brought up the stolen money. The judge would either get her to pay it back or he would take it out of whatever money she would have gotten for alimony etc. Also Charles lawyer would probably talk to a prosecutor about it as well. Although since they were going through a divorce it would have been settled through those proceedings. I mostly sit in criminal court cases but have sat in on a few divorce hearings when needed to. It’s not illegal in the sense that she took it out but it’s illegal in the way she used the money.

 

[divineappt]

No doubt in my mind that she was building an elaborate lie.

moo

ITA It’s easier to explain the absence of a 17 year old than a 7 year old.

 

[Bellat]

Thank you! Yes definitely possible. Who knows what game/strategy he is after. This is definitely a tough case. I do feel like he is in a little over his head. All jmo

Please forgive the question as I have been away for a few days.... what did means miss? Was there a custody hearing? Thanks u in advance