Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - #155 *Richard Allen Arrested*

[Trebor5591]

There's been some discussion re RMA’s height. I initially thought the increments shown were 1”, but they are in fact 2” increments as shown in his mugshot. You can just see the bottom of the 6' marker.

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His height looks to be 5-7 based on this photo--I had previously seen that he was 5-4. Whatever height he is, sure has wide, glaring eyes!

 

[steeltowngirl]

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To me, the most interesting part about the letter is what he does NOT say:

”I am an innocent man”

 

[Batgirl 2.0]

To me, the most interesting part about the letter is what he does NOT say:

”I am an innocent man”

Great observation

 

[JudgeJudi]

For the benefit of newbies to WS, here's a list of Websleuths lingo.

Websleuths Lingo

 

[*Verdigris]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590390245522305024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590392098242449408

. . . anybody willing to post the info of these tweets, so that those of us who are unable to access twitter, may also have a look?
Pretty please?
With sugar on top?

tyvm

 

[m00c0w]

Something that just came to mind - the search warrant for RA's was not taken out under his current cause/case number... Going through the carroll circuit court files on mycase, I do not see a relevant case from September or October with any sort of warrant activity around the date of his search warrant. I think it is likely that they filed for the warrant under a restricted/sealed case record, which would imply they knew a good deal going in to the situation. In short, I believe the warrant was taken out specifically to find certain items relating to the murders, so something clued them into his involvement and whatever it was, was enough to get a warrant to search RA's property.

JMO

 

[m00c0w]

. . . anybody willing to post the info of these tweets, so that those of us who are unable to access twitter, may also have a look?
Pretty please?
With sugar on top?

tyvm

It's just that RA is seeking a public defender, and his letter requesting such. I attached the letter from the tweet.

 

[*Verdigris]

I didn’t say RL killed the girls, we were just discussing why/how LE hasn’t cleared RL and how he could possibly be involved since he hasn’t been cleared. That is all.

Same here, @iamnotagolem .
I remember all of the previous hooha about RL, and his probation, and his fear of getting caught in violation of such.
And I remember myself at the time, being annoyed at the mob thinking that RL was BG.
And I also recall that eventually, LE said he was not a suspect.

So, that's why I was a bit surprised when DC's answer to a direct question about RL, was, "we haven't cleared anybody."

That (and only that) made me wonder a just a bit, if they may have stumbled across something more recently.
I personally don't think it would be anything directly related, but perhaps something around the edges.
Maybe.

I sure as chit didn't mean to open up a can of worms.
(But, of course I should have know better. ha!)


aajmoo

 

[ExitMusic]

I really wish we knew the evidence against him, simply because all the assumption on here the last few days has made me feel surprisingly uneasy. MOO

I missed how the letter was released to the public… was it a normal thing or was it leaked?

 

[Boxer]

Barry Morphew is a completely different situation and has no bearing on what happens here. They didn't have a body, so could not prosecute for murder. Aren't willing to maintain charges on him, so can't keep his stuff forever. We have charges unambiguously filed in this case, and he's already had a preliminary hearing where he rejected the state's offer for public defense... He should have honestly requested representation immediately, even if he intended to find a private attorney later, because it would facilitate this very type of thing.

Even if COs did, for some reason, alert the court, there's nothing the court could have done to impact how the mail system flows. An attorney would have been able to file directly on RA's behalf, not relying on USPS to deliver things in a timely manner.

This is solely on Richard Allen, and this by itself is not a clear violation of any of his rights.

MOO

True. He mailed a letter to the the court. it took a week.
Unclear whether when delivered. Clear was stamped received 11/7/22.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Something that just came to mind - the search warrant for RA's was not taken out under his current cause/case number... Going through the carroll circuit court files on mycase, I do not see a relevant case from September or October with any sort of warrant activity around the date of his search warrant. I think it is likely that they filed for the warrant under a restricted/sealed case record, which would imply they knew a good deal going in to the situation. In short, I believe the warrant was taken out specifically to find certain items relating to the murders, so something clued them into his involvement and whatever it was, was enough to get a warrant to search RA's property.

JMO

Great sleuthing!

 

[twall]

I really wish we knew the evidence against him, simply because all the assumption on here the last few days has made me feel surprisingly uneasy. MOO

I missed how the letter was released to the public… was it a normal thing or was it leaked?

No leak, part of public court record. Barbara McDonald was on Vinnie Politan's Court TV show tonight and stated she contacted the court and received a copy from them. Don't have a link as it is not on their FB page yet and I watched it live.

 

[Fargo]

I really wish we knew the evidence against him, simply because all the assumption on here the last few days has made me feel surprisingly uneasy. MOO

I missed how the letter was released to the public… was it a normal thing or was it leaked?

I join you in the uneasy boat. I am uneasy any time the government is allowed to detain and spirit away any citizen without accountability or transparency as to why. Next could be you. Or your mother. Or your brother. That kind of thing should make any citizen uneasy. My opinion only.

 

[Sundog]

I added a link later, above. Indiana is one of three states that does not recognize the Alford Plea.

In regards to someone who asked about his residence as an asset, it is, but he could only sell it for attorney fees if his wife agrees. Otherwise, he would have to divorce her, and get 1/2 ownership of the property in the divorce, then force a sale. Good luck. Mortgage rates are almost 8% now. Houses are moving as fast as molasses in January.

In a divorce, it is not certain that RA would get 1/2 ownership of the house. If his wife contributed more to the payments or used an inheritance to pay down the mortgage or pay a lump sum of cash up front, a divorce judge could give her more than 1/2 of the property. Unless Indiana is a community property state. I don't know if it is. Nonetheless, even if it is, if she used funds from before her marriage to pay off the house or for a down payment, perhaps she would be entitled to that money in a divorce situation. JMO.

 

[JudgeJudi]

This is what I cannot wrap my head around:

Reporter asked if the community should be worried about someone targeting their children and Leazenby said no.

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A short presser was held (Sheriff Tobe Leazenby, Steve Mullin (Chief of Police) and Kim Riley (Information Officer) followed by a Q and A session. This part stood out to me:

Q. Should people in the community be afraid right now based upon what you’ve seen and know?
A. (Chief of Police) I think people are smart enough in our community to draw their own conclusions about what they should feel and shouldn’t feel. Our people are very smart. We have a very good community and they are very strong and they are able to draw their own conclusions about this whole situation I think quite successfully. Thank you for the question.

Q. Because the reason I ask is I hear the words “foul play suspected” and people might be wondering if there’s somebody running around this community preying on people that they need to be afraid of.
A. I understand what you’re saying.

Q. Should they be?
A. I think people are able to draw their own conclusions about this situation, and they’re smart enough to be able to figure out what the situation warrants them to think. So that’s all I have to say about that.

On what basis did Leazenby say "no"? Steve Mullin would have been informed that it was a double homicide and TL would also have been told. Both would have been aware that this is an area mainly known to locals and commonly frequented by young people. The crime scene must have been shocking as it was reported that when LE returned from the crime scene, some were in tears.

This is JMO, but surely a more appropriate response by either TL or SM would have been something like, "Until we know more, keep an eye on your children and endeavour to know where they are". A warning should have been given.

Knowing that RMA has been out and about in the community since then is terrifying, at least to me. Surely at that very early stage it shouldn't have been a case of "carry on regardless".

 

[Sillybilly]

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[JudgeJudi]

Do you remember what the height was?

See p.27 post 536.

 

[LeBlack]

RMA begging for legal assistance. 13 WTHR video includes enlarged letter.

Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen requests public defender in letter

He must have been living under a rock to not know that lawyers cost A LOT of money, especially those defending someone charged with two counts of murder.

He's had 5 years to search it on a throwaway phone.

 

[LeBlack]

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Not to comment on touchy subjects, but all I saw from ISP was this totally inexplicable change of sketches in 2019. Now they arrested someone and say it is a Bridge Guy and they are sure - good for them. But Paul Holes, and GSK, had lots of documents for the public to chew on. Until I see some evidence, I am not expected to believe Doug Carter just because he said it, right? Because humans make mistakes.

They can’t mete out justice with sealed affidavits.

There is one more reason to open it. Imagine that RA finds some Iris Eytan who pulls him out of jail. An open affidavit allows the whole world to make their conclusion. BM is free, but is he functional? Can he be employed now, have friends, even find another woman if this one gets tired of him? It is enough for someone to read the affidavit to decide who he is.

If ISP keeps everything close there is a chance people will think RA was set up. Human nature…

He made no such claims in his request for an attorney.

 

[TeaTime]

Mrs. Allen is too ashamed to face her neighbors or co-workers. Understandably so. She is another victim of his madness.

Imagine the horror of her reality. The last 5.5 years of her life she's been a loving wife to a child murderer. Seems that would shake one to the core.