Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #160

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19

HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

Here is the old audio in a loop:
http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to [email protected]

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

Pictures of Abby and Libby

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

Grayhuze youtube channel
Murder sheet YouTube

Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION
DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Sillybilly]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

- Please use initials only for anyone other than victims or perps.

- If you have questions about rules or moderation, please do not ask them on the thread. Just jump off any post to use the Report feature to ask and a Mod or Admin will respond as soon as possible.

- Rumors are not allowed. If you can't link information to Websleuths approved sources, do NOT post it with "I read it somewhere" or "I'll find the link later ...".

- Sleuthing or discussing RSOs just because they are on the registry is not allowed. A thread specific exception may be made by Tricia or an Admin depending on geographical location in relation a crime.

- Photo alterations or side-by-side comparisons of unrelated pictures are not allowed.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

There has been a major cleanup on this thread tonight due to numerous TOS violations. Here are the RULES we all agreed to upon joining this site.

We have a thread dedicated to KAK HERE. If you have an update specific to any of his current charges, pending charges or news, it is to be posted on that thread. For example, dismissals, court appearances, etc.

This is an example of an article and subject matter that may be brought up for discussion on this thread. This pertains to KAK and Abby’s and Libby’s cases. Although sources such as this are approved, you personally have the right to decide how much credibility you give to them. Nevertheless, they remain approved sources here on Websleuths.

Regardless of what is posted in ANY approved source, RA’s family (to include photos) are completely off limits as of this post. They are victims. PERIOD.

If you’re going to reference or discuss a topic (even if it’s been brought up before), a link to an approved source must be provided. Otherwise, don’t mention it.

Decisions made by officials may not sit well with us, but they’re most often made for a reason.

And lastly, STAY ON TOPIC. Please and THANK YOU!

- Mad

 

[CocoChanel]

MOD NOTE:

There has been a major cleanup on this thread tonight due to numerous TOS violations. Here are the RULES we all agreed to upon joining this site.

We have a thread dedicated to KAK HERE. If you have an update specific to any of his current charges, pending charges or news, it is to be posted on that thread. For example, dismissals, court appearances, etc.

If you’re going to reference or discuss a topic (even if it’s been brought up before), a link to an approved source must be provided. Otherwise, don’t mention it.

Decisions made by officials may not sit well with us, but they’re most often made for a reason.

And lastly, STAY ON TOPIC. Please and THANK YOU!

- Mad

ADMIN NOTE:
For those asking for clarification re:WHO/WHAT can be discussed on the Delphi thread, the above MOD NOTE IS THE CLARIFICATION. THIS is what the ADMIN/MOD team has decided and is asking.

THANK YOU for your efforts to follow the sometimes fluid rules as they apply to specific cases.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[MadMcGoo]

Several posts have just been removed that stemmed from discussion of a poll thread. Vote in a poll and move on, or take the discussion of said poll to a private conversation.

Thanks,
Mad

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

If your post begins with any of the following, IT IS LIKELY AT RISK OF BEING REMOVED, along with any of its replies. Please take the time to find an approved source link to accompany the information you post.

“I thought I read somewhere…”

“I seem to remember hearing…”

“I’m not sure if I can bring this up, but…”

“I can’t remember where I heard this…”

OR

“This is just a rumor…”

Thanks,
Mad

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Gray Hughes has obtained Richard Allen’s voice from social media that we would not normally approve, so here’s how we are going to handle this. This is really a Gray area (yeah, I said that )

Obviously as RA is the accused, his voice is of great interest to all, and we would not be relevant in the true crime community if we disallowed it when it is so highly relevant.

After discussion with Tricia, the decision is that we will allow members to fully discuss the voice as heard on Gray’s podcast.

We will NOT allow direct linking to the wife’s social media accounts.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Websleuths is basically pro-LE. The general LE bashing in this thread has to stop or permanent thread bans or TOs will be issued.

 

[YaYa_521]

Continue the discussion here.

 

[GA_Peach]

With respect to the witness who saw a man in all black versus a man in light blue jeans and a navy jacket, I don't think the real issue is around whether or not she accurately saw the color of the jacket. If I were on the defense, I would want to know if the man in all black was actually a second man in the area of the bridge around the time of the murders.

And where and when was the man who inspired sketch #2 seen? I am very concerned that the witnesses' accounts are skewed by the video and photos from Libby's phone. The wording of the PCA leads me to believe that the witnesses had seen the video before describing BG, and that's an issue if it's accurate. I am hoping that is a function of how the PCA was put together and not a reflection of the facts.

 

[Boxer]

With respect to the witness who saw a man in all black versus a man in light blue jeans and a navy jacket, I don't think the real issue is around whether or not she accurately saw the color of the jacket. If I were on the defense, I would want to know if the man in all black was actually a second man in the area of the bridge around the time of the murders.

And where and when was the man who inspired sketch #2 seen? I am very concerned that the witnesses' accounts are skewed by the video and photos from Libby's phone. The wording of the PCA leads me to believe that the witnesses had seen the video before describing BG, and that's an issue if it's accurate. I am hoping that is a function of how the PCA was put together and not a reflection of the facts.

The three girls saw the same man at one time. One thought he was wearing black the other two remembered he wore blue. MOO her memory is from a glance on the dark part of the trail.

 

[Detective Willy]

I wonder if relatives of RA were aware that he admitted being on the trail at the same time as the girls?

IMO they must not have been aware, otherwise you should or would have highly suspected him of being BG once you saw the video!

If he was a regular at the trails, you would imagine that he would wear similar clothing in similar temperatures.

I am also wondering how many tips came in from people who believed that RA was BG from the thousands of tips that came in?

Surely LE would have connected the dots earlier if people called in a tip that they thought RA was BG after he admitted being there?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

With respect to the witness who saw a man in all black versus a man in light blue jeans and a navy jacket, I don't think the real issue is around whether or not she accurately saw the color of the jacket. If I were on the defense, I would want to know if the man in all black was actually a second man in the area of the bridge around the time of the murders.

And where and when was the man who inspired sketch #2 seen? I am very concerned that the witnesses' accounts are skewed by the video and photos from Libby's phone. The wording of the PCA leads me to believe that the witnesses had seen the video before describing BG, and that's an issue if it's accurate. I am hoping that is a function of how the PCA was put together and not a reflection of the facts.

I would want to know at what point their recollection became certain that the person seen was RA? I hope the 2 sketches don't come back to bite them. Unless they have DNA evidence, AND it's tied to RA with a search warrant secured with actual probable cause, I think the state may be in trouble here.

 

[WildHuncher]

And where and when was the man who inspired sketch #2 seen? I am very concerned that the witnesses' accounts are skewed by the video and photos from Libby's phone. The wording of the PCA leads me to believe that the witnesses had seen the video before describing BG, and that's an issue if it's accurate. I am hoping that is a function of how the PCA was put together and not a reflection of the facts.

The color discrepancies are evidence that they weren't letting the BG photo guide their descriptions of the man they saw on the trail, if they had seen those pictures. (At least one of them had. She said they appear to show the man she saw. That does not discount her testimony, IMHO. No more suspect than a witness picking a man out of a lineup.)

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I wonder if relatives of RA were aware that he admitted being on the trail at the same time as the girls?

IMO they must not have been aware, otherwise you should or would have highly suspected him of being BG once you saw the video!

If he was a regular at the trails, you would imagine that he would wear similar clothing in similar temperatures.

I am also wondering how many tips came in from people who believed that RA was BG from the thousands of tips that came in?

Surely LE would have connected the dots earlier if people called in a tip that they thought RA was BG after he admitted being there?

Can someone tell me if the FBI came up with the height estimate? TIA

The color discrepancies are evidence that they weren't letting the BG photo guide their descriptions of the man they saw on the trail, if they had seen those pictures. (At least one of them had. She said they appear to show the man she saw. That does not discount her testimony, IMHO. No more suspect than a witness picking a man out of a lineup.)

It's suspect because there was no lineup. It was a six pack of 1 person. MOO

 

[Boxer]

I would want to know at what point their recollection became certain that the person seen was RA? I hope the 2 sketches don't come back to bite them. Unless they have DNA evidence, AND it's tied to RA with a search warrant secured with actual probable cause, I think the state may be in trouble here.

RA confirmed he is the man the three girls saw.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Will someone please be so kind as to explain to me why/how Disney was involved in the beginning?
I didn’t follow the case until 2019 and I cannot remember the reason(s) why.

IATYSM.

 

[Yemelyan]

@Forpsy Your question from the previous thread Re: the phone(s)

According to more than one family interview, Abby did not have a phone. She had access to other devices including a Kindle that was her own. But supposedly at the bridge that day only Libby had a cell phone.