IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #163

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19

HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

Pictures of Abby and Libby

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

Grayhuze youtube channel
Murder sheet YouTube

Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION
DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Sillybilly]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

- Members are allowed to discuss Richard Allen's voice as heard on the Gray Hughes podcast. Members may NOT link directly to RA's wife’s social media accounts.

- Speculation about RA’s possible involvement in other cases belongs in the OTHER CASES thread.

- Speculation that is not based on known fact is not allowed.

- Please use initials only for anyone other than victims or perps.

- If you have questions about rules or moderation, please do not ask them on the thread. Just jump off any post to use the Report feature to ask and a Mod or Admin will respond as soon as possible.

- Rumors are not allowed. If you can't link information to Websleuths approved sources, do NOT post it with "I read it somewhere" or "I'll find the link later ...".

- Sleuthing or discussing RSOs just because they are on the registry is not allowed. A thread specific exception may be made by Tricia or an Admin depending on geographical location in relation a crime.

- Photo alterations or side-by-side comparisons of unrelated pictures are not allowed.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

There has been a major cleanup on this thread tonight due to numerous TOS violations. Here are the RULES we all agreed to upon joining this site.

We have a thread dedicated to KAK HERE. If you have an update specific to any of his current charges, pending charges or news, it is to be posted on that thread. For example, dismissals, court appearances, etc.

This is an example of an article and subject matter that may be brought up for discussion on this thread. This pertains to KAK and Abby’s and Libby’s cases. Although sources such as this are approved, you personally have the right to decide how much credibility you give to them. Nevertheless, they remain approved sources here on Websleuths.

Regardless of what is posted in ANY approved source, RA’s family (to include photos) are completely off limits as of this post. They are victims. PERIOD.

If you’re going to reference or discuss a topic (even if it’s been brought up before), a link to an approved source must be provided. Otherwise, don’t mention it.

Decisions made by officials may not sit well with us, but they’re most often made for a reason.

And lastly, STAY ON TOPIC. Please and THANK YOU!

- Mad

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

This discussion is dedicated to Abby and Libby. Posts that do not relate directly to their case are off topic and such posts get removed. If you wish to discuss personal matters, please do so with your WS friends through PM or in the basement.

Also, the presumption of innocence is part and parcel of the judicial process. It does not apply to the general public who are entitled to express their opinion. Members are not here to be lectured or chastised by others for expressing their personal opinions. If you have an issue, use the Report feature and let Mods or Admins determine what is or is not okay to post.

Thanks.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

If your post begins with any of the following, IT IS LIKELY AT RISK OF BEING REMOVED, along with any of its replies. Please take the time to find an approved source link to accompany the information you post.

“I thought I read somewhere…”

“I seem to remember hearing…”

“I’m not sure if I can bring this up, but…”

“I can’t remember where I heard this…”

OR

“This is just a rumor…”

Thanks,
Mad

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Gray Hughes has obtained Richard Allen’s voice from social media that we would not normally approve, so here’s how we are going to handle this. This is really a Gray area (yeah, I said that )

Obviously as RA is the accused, his voice is of great interest to all, and we would not be relevant in the true crime community if we disallowed it when it is so highly relevant.

After discussion with Tricia, the decision is that we will allow members to fully discuss the voice as heard on Gray’s podcast.

We will NOT allow direct linking to the wife’s social media accounts.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Mod Note:

Thank you to @JudgeJudi for bringing this video to our attention. This video is approved on a one-time basis as it provides a good visual guide for information provided in the PCA.

 

[MadMcGoo]

MOD NOTE:

Although a source is approved here on Websleuths, you personally have the right to decide how much credibility you give to these sources. The fact that a source is or is not approved and the reasons why, however, are not up for debate.

Also, if you have a post removed for a particular reason, do not attempt to post the same information and expect it not to be removed also.

Thanks,
Mad

 

[FrostedGlass]

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/ALLEN-MOVE-PRISON-REQUEST.pdf

The article RA's atty noted in the motion:

He spent more than four years in solitary confinement. Now Indiana will pay him $425,000​

Published 10:41 PM EST, Tue November 12, 2019

In a federal complaint, Vermillion said that starting in 2009, he was housed in isolation for 23 to 24 hours a day at the Westville Correctional Facility. There, Vermillion said, he was subject to extreme cold, constant strobe-lighting and mace fumes, among other conditions.

Under Indiana law, a person can spend a maximum of 30 days in restrictive status housing, also known as solitary confinement or segregation, after which authorities must review whether the prisoner should remain there.

He spent more than four years in solitary confinement. Now Indiana will pay him $425,000 | CNN

The Indiana Department of Correction will pay Jay Vermillion $425,000 as part of a settlement.

www.cnn.com

This Indystar article is longer and has more details:

Indiana will pay inmate $100K for each year he spent in solitary, lawyers say

Jay Vermillion said he spent more than four years in solitary confinement from 2009 to 2013 in Indiana State Prison.

www.indystar.com

 

[Chelly]

I doubt moving Richard Allen to a new facility across the street from his attorneys' office is the answer to RA's problems.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Attorney Shay Hughes, aka hoosierpublicdefender on Twitter, chimed in on this motion yesterday. He put a copy of it on his Instagram acct. At the end of the motion, he also added a copy of the Carroll Co. sheriff's request to have RA moved.

The fact that RA was transferred with no council and no hearing sounds problematic to me.

Shay Hughes on Instagram: "This wk, Allen filed a motion to modify his placement. Allen is currently housed at the Westville Correctional Facility, a DOC facility that doesn’t have a great reputation. Allen’s counsel makes some compelling points, the

17 likes, 4 comments - hoosierpublicdefenderApril 6, 2023 on : "This wk, Allen filed a motion to modify his placement. Allen is currently housed at the Westville Correctional Facility, a DOC facility t...".

www.instagram.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

I was also thinking RA could be losing all this weight to dramatically change his appearance so he doesn't resemble Bridgeguy so much. A lot of defendants to that to throw the jury off.

MOO

 

[Trebor5591]

I doubt moving Richard Allen to a new facility across the street from his attorneys' office is the answer to RA's problems.

IMO moving Allen to a facility near his attorney so he can more easily assist in his defense and so his attorneys can better prepare a defense is a "no-brainer" and should be be done ASAP, IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO moving Allen to a facility near his attorney so he can more easily assist in his defense and so his attorneys can better prepare a defense is a "no-brainer" and should be be done ASAP, IMO.

If that were to happen as a no-brainer, every inmate in jail would want to be moved. It should be fair and impartial for/against any inmate IMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

If that were to happen as a no-brainer, every inmate in jail would want to be moved. It should be fair and impartial for/against any inmate IMO.

In Carroll Co., the public defender is paid $100 per hour. How much of a travel bill can he rack up before people object? Baldwin is based in Franklin, south of Indy.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

If that were to happen as a no-brainer, every inmate in jail would want to be moved. It should be fair and impartial for/against any inmate IMO.

MOO a fairer comparison would be anyone in custody (he is not yet an inmate) awaiting trial for a death penalty eligible
charge, not be housed where it creates hardship/limitations on the defendant and defense's ability to prepare for trial.
The long-term goal being a conviction at trial with limiting grounds for appeal.
I don't think this applies to many in custody or inmates.

 

[MistyWaters]

IMO moving Allen to a facility near his attorney so he can more easily assist in his defense and so his attorneys can better prepare a defense is a "no-brainer" and should be be done ASAP, IMO.

I think we’re forgetting RA was moved to a State facility for his own protection. Had he been violently attacked, well what then, more blame.

The defence was appointed last November and suddenly if it’s all about convenience for preparing a defence why wasn’t that an issue at the onset? Both parties are in the same place as they were back then.

I’d speculate there’s another reason behind this motion and it’s connected with consultation, that is to gauge the public perception and support toward RA alone now that the public wrath toward KAK being the instigator is lessening.

JMO

 

[Trebor5591]

Full EMERGENCY MOTION TO MODIFY SAFEKEEPING ORDER document

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/ALLEN-MOVE-PRISON-REQUEST.pdf

From the filed document linked above:

"Mr. Allen, who is constitutionally innocent man and maintains his factual innocence as well, has not been afforded any opportunity to visit his Wife or other family members during the last months of incarceration during which time he has been subjected to conditions akin to those of prisoner of war."

IMO opinion, RA's attorneys made an error in writing the above statement. Because even if RA was incarcerated in the most liberal jail in Indiana, he would still not be " afforded any opportunity to visit his Wife or other family members". I think they meant to say RA's wife/family members have not been afforded any opportunity to visit RA.

Did Allen's wife/family attempt to visit RA and were denied? It does not say that.

Perhaps Allen's wife/family did not even try to visit Allen? If so, is it because the Westville facility is too far from where they live? Or is it because they have looked at the "Bridge Guy" tape anew and realized that "Bridge Guy" indeed is RA? Perhaps they have no desire to visit the murderer of Abby and Libby?

Will we perhaps read one day soon that RA's wife has filed for divorce? Or will that only come after/if he is convicted?

Just speculation and my opinion only.

 

[MistyWaters]

Attorney Shay Hughes, aka hoosierpublicdefender on Twitter, chimed in on this motion yesterday. He put a copy of it on his Instagram acct. At the end of the motion, he also added a copy of the Carroll Co. sheriff's request to have RA moved.

The fact that RA was transferred with no council and no hearing sounds problematic to me.

Shay Hughes on Instagram: "This wk, Allen filed a motion to modify his placement. Allen is currently housed at the Westville Correctional Facility, a DOC facility that doesn’t have a great reputation. Allen’s counsel makes some compelling points, the

17 likes, 4 comments - hoosierpublicdefenderApril 6, 2023 on : "This wk, Allen filed a motion to modify his placement. Allen is currently housed at the Westville Correctional Facility, a DOC facility t...".

www.instagram.com

His legal team asks for him to be moved without a hearing so I don’t think that’s an issue.

What I do question, if they’re concerned about RA, how do they expect him to “assist his legal team in addressing his mental health concerns“?

BBM

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/ALLEN-MOVE-PRISON-REQUEST.pdf

20. Attorney Rozzi believes an emergency exists and time is of the essence based upon the dramatic change in Mr. Allen's condition, including his change in demeanor, change in appearance, and change in his overall mental health status, and respectfully requests that this Honorable Court modify the Safekeeping Order (as permitted by LC. 35-33-11-1) and order Richard Allen to be transported and housed at the Cass County jail or somewhere nearer to his family and lawyers, and to do so without a hearing, or (in the alternative) to conduct a hearing as soon as possible before Mr. Allen is placed in further jeopardy due to his current placement, and also so that Mr. Allen may assist his lawyers in addressing Mr. Allen's mental health concerns as well as allowing Mr. Allen to participate in the preparation of his defense, and for all proper and just relief in the premises.”