Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #100

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Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

Here is the old audio in a loop:

http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to [email protected]

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


Pictures of Abby and Libby

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There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
If you want someone to PM you then what you do is you PRIVATE MESSAGE THEM FIRST and ask them whatever.

You do not stop the whole discussion and ask someone to PM you.

We will be giving long time-outs to anyone who says they have the information they can only share in PM's or words to that effect.

We call that "baiting" and it makes me crazy. It is so frustrating to try and get things under control when someone recklessly posts a cryptic post creating a frenzy of posts asking to be PM'd.
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ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
"On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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Delphi homicide suspect
On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."
LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
 

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Please don't actively sleuth civilians. If you think something is worthy of a tip, tell LE. Speculating here can get the thread locked down even if you don't specify names.

Jumping off this post to remind everyone that you need to call or email the police if you think you have a tip or have discovered a person who matches the sketch or sketches. DO NOT post what you think you have found here on the forum.

Take any and all sleuthing of non-POIs to your private conversations and DO NOT mention them here. It is a major TOS violation to sleuth non-POIs on the forum. It's even worse if you are implicating a minor child in your posts. And baiting is against our rules, so DO NOT hint that you have uncovered information that you can't share openly here.

If you think you know something, call the police.
 

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April 22 Press Conference transcript:

<news announcer>
Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

<audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

-- Other officer ..
I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
<plays audio>
Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
<plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
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Admin note: Be sure to read the parameters for posting laid out in post #1 and 2 by Tricia.

Pay particular attention to this quote from Tricia:

DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

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In this scenario, there does not need to be a direct condition between BG and the perpetrators: One of the victims learned of a secret between BG and another individual.

I agree, objectively thinking- they probably would not know his full identity. This, however, may not be important in the eyes of an emotionally driven perpetrator thinking subjectively ie- "They might / could know who I am."

As a historical side note, Joseph Stalin murdered tens of thousands of victims based on subjective reasoning regarding what the victims might / could have known.


Power and control does not need to be sexual. Rather, power and control can be an expression of any kind of dominance. This can include imposing a punishment for learning a secret. Likewise, carrying a weapon and being prepared to commit a crime simply shows preparation. It does not show preparation due to a sex motive per se.

I wonder if the secret could have been not even about BG and another individual, but one of his relatives and another individual. That girl might have not even known who these people were, but they could have been scared.

Joseph Stalin destroyed most of Georgian bolsheviks because they remembered him, and what he did before the revolution (racketeering $$ for the party). He did even more of such work in Baku, hence, the same result. The victims may have not known Stalin, but some of their old party comrades might have said, “Koba? I remember him, blah- blah...”

(If it was just sexual crime, all the worse for the perp). MOO.
 

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Question for all of you.
In looking at the new sketch, particularly the mouth and chin....

Doesn’t that mouth look like someone who would be wearing braces? There is a certain way one holds their mouth with braces...
The chin would seem to indicate a bite problem that would probably need braces.

I’ve been obsessed with the mouth and chin and notion of braces for a few days.

Anyone see this?

Amateur opinion and speculation
 

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Question for all of you.
In looking at the new sketch, particularly the mouth and chin....

Doesn’t that mouth look like someone who would be wearing braces? There is a certain way one holds their mouth with braces...
The chin would seem to indicate a bite problem that would probably need braces.

I’ve been obsessed with the mouth and chin and notion of braces for a few days.

Anyone see this?

Amateur opinion and speculation

I agree wholeheartedly except I don't think they're wearing braces now. I think they probably once did though.
 

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The thread closed as I was quoting someone, and even though I’ve read directions on how to quote a post from a closed thread, it doesn’t work for me. :(

But in reply to someone who recently commented about the FBI having a better version of the video/images.... :

As others have stated, the FBI would only want to share the best version of the image that they can. They WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE this man.

Now, I know when I use my Canon DSLR camera, if I save an image in RAW format onto my computer, I am storing a (LARGE) file, and it is best for editing purposes etc. If I want someone to see the best version of the image, I will upload the RAW image onto a thumb drive and give it to the person. If they open it on their computer, they will also see the best version of the photo. HOWEVER, if they “share” that image on Facebook etc., it will be a “compressed” image, and already much info. will be lost and the photo won’t be as “good” quality.

Now, in Libby’s case, we’re not talking a dSLR camera, we’re talking a cell phone camera. These images can’t be shot with RAW data (I don’t believe). Though I think there are some photo editing apps that allow for editing photos in RAW format?

But the bottom line is, the only reason I can think of that FBI has a better version of the video/images, is because they are getting it directly from the source. If they could “share” it with the public without losing any quality due to compression, believe me, they would.

* I’m just an amateur photographer, so I apologize if I didn’t explain this very clearly.

ETA: those who have looked at their own zoomed in cell phone images know how poor the quality is, so I’m confident (unfortunately) that the FBI isn’t getting much more clarity even directly from the source. As proven by Carter’s remarks about *thinking* he sees a brown shirt hanging out from Navy coat, where so many others see a “fanny pack.” And I’m assuming Carter has access to the FBI’s “best version.”
 
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The way I am understanding the timeline there was only about 30 minutes from time BG was on video to the the FSG saw who is suspected to be BG? Which is before the first time Derrick German tried calling Libby?

Would have the couple under the bridge (assuming they were not anything but just 2 more people there) had a better vantage point and been able to hear anything better from where the girls were found? Why haven't they ever come forth?

Who do we know as fact were in the area between 230 and 330 as potential witnesses that have came forth? I have heard about the group of teens but the info on them is limited.
 

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Question for all of you.
In looking at the new sketch, particularly the mouth and chin....

Doesn’t that mouth look like someone who would be wearing braces? There is a certain way one holds their mouth with braces...
The chin would seem to indicate a bite problem that would probably need braces.

I’ve been obsessed with the mouth and chin and notion of braces for a few days.

Anyone see this?

Amateur opinion and speculation

MOO that a good idea. circulating sketch to area orthodontists could be productive.
 

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Question for all of you.
In looking at the new sketch, particularly the mouth and chin....

Doesn’t that mouth look like someone who would be wearing braces? There is a certain way one holds their mouth with braces...
The chin would seem to indicate a bite problem that would probably need braces.

I’ve been obsessed with the mouth and chin and notion of braces for a few days.

Anyone see this?

Amateur opinion and speculation

In the sketch it does appear that the chin is rather large. That may be subjective, though, and dependent upon how the witness described him. And it could mean there is an underbite, but that doesn't mean that BG is currently wearing any orthodontia or had anything corrected in the past. Dental insurance is weird-there are lots of people who need work done but haven't been able to afford it.
 

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The thread closed as I was quoting someone, and even though I’ve read directions on how to quote a post from a closed thread, it doesn’t work for me. :(

But in reply to someone who recently commented about the FBI having a better version of the video/images.... :

As others have stated, the FBI would only want to share the best version of the image that they can. They WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE this man.

Now, I know when I use my Canon DSLR camera, if I save an image in RAW format onto my computer, I am storing a (LARGE) file, and it is best for editing purposes etc. If I want someone to see the best version of the image, I will upload the RAW image onto a thumb drive and give it to the person. If they open it on their computer, they will also see the best version of the photo. HOWEVER, if they “share” that image on Facebook etc., it will be a “compressed” image, and already much info. will be lost and the photo won’t be as “good” quality.

Now, in Libby’s case, we’re not talking a dSLR camera, we’re talking a cell phone camera. These images can’t be shot with RAW data (I don’t believe). Though I think there are some photo editing apps that allow for editing photos in RAW format?

But the bottom line is, the only reason I can think of that FBI has a better version of the video/images, is because they are getting it directly from the source. If they could “share” it with the public without losing any quality due to compression, believe me, they would.

* I’m just an amateur photographer, so I apologize if I didn’t explain this very clearly.
Makes perfect sense to me :)
 
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