Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #101

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

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    ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
    "On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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    Delphi homicide suspect
    On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."

    LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
     
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    Jumping off this post to remind everyone that you need to call or email the police if you think you have a tip or have discovered a person who matches the sketch or sketches. DO NOT post what you think you have found here on the forum.

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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
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    Admin note: Be sure to read the parameters for posting laid out in post #1 and 2 by Tricia.

    Pay particular attention to this quote from Tricia:

    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

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    This thread is dedicated to discussing details of Abby's and Libby's case. Please keep details related to the Nicole Bowen case in that dedicated thread. It gets confusing to read a post, wonder what the heck it is about, and then realize it pertains to another case/thread.

    It's okay to make mild reference (as in "reminds me of ... in NB's case"), but to start discussing that case in more detail takes this thread off topic.
     
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    Church on Sunday, killed on Monday.......hmmmmm. Something to think about. Do we know if the girls or one of the girls attended church or bible study church on Sunday?
    Perhaps one of the girls let it slip (not knowing what was forthcoming) that she was out of school on Monday.

    (this was at the tail end of thread 100, reposting so that more may see it, thanks)
     
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  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Even then, how could he know where the girls were going to be, and when they were going to be there?

    He’d have to overhear a conversation regarding their plans, and I’m not sure they had decided to venture out there by that point.

    I continue to believe that this guy spotted them being dropped off, or walking in on their own, and followed them in.
     
  14. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    It’s definitely the most plausible scenario

    Stranger murders generally take much longer to solve than familiar ones

    I think these murders were as much random as they were brazen and risky

    Jmo
     
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    They could’ve reached out to someone via Snapchat or any app that has a messaging function. I read somewhere that one of them used Facebook, musically, and Instagram all of which you can communicate through. I say SC because it was clearly used that day and the messages delete unless they are intentionally saved by the sender or receiver. Nothing nefarious implied. Kids that age use SC to text and to post pics.
     
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    I know this was mentioned before but I can't remember if it was ever determined. Did the girls and Kelsie stop anywhere on the way? Gas station or store?

    At the grocery check out today, the woman behind me said "You guys (girls) can go down by the creek when we get home." I glanced over and saw two girls close to Abby and Libby's age with her. My first thought was I hoped no creep would follow them home and pull over down the road.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I remember early on in the Jayme Closs case, I thought it was possible that someone had targeted her because of some social media contact.

    As the weeks and months went by, it became pretty clear that social media wasn’t related, and something else happened.

    It turned out she was randomly targeted.

    Likewise, as time goes by here, I discount any potential social media contact more and more.

    I don’t like it anyways, simply based on the circumstances.
     
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    I can’t shake the gut feel this was someone who “knew” the girls. Maybe not directly, but in some way. I very well could be wrong, but I feel like he would’ve struck again if this wasn’t somewhat targeted to an extent.

    Again, all JMO and I don’t have a specific reason other than a weird feeling.

    I hope I’m wrong. Justice is coming, just not in our time...
     
  19. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Statistically, you’re going to be right, far more often than wrong, when you say you think he knew them in some way.

    If that was the case though, I think there would have been a break in the case by now.

    Stranger or not, not every killer kills again, or kills again right away.

    Some go years between murders, especially following their first.
     
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    I've had another thought about that, and the vehicle they've been asking about. I'll start by saying BG saw the girls being dropped off while he was sitting in the mystery vehicle. If RL had been looking for a ride to Lafayette that day, it's possible that he discussed it with BG or one of his friends (who did know RL at least enough to speak with him.) It's possible that the vehicle was parked there around noon, when the friend drove RL to Lafayette in his (RL's) own truck and BG waited with the other vehicle. Once the girls were dropped off and their ride was out of sight, he may have started stalking them. He was able to catch up to them, do anything else that may have been done, murder them, and be back to the vehicle before DG had arrived (or as he was heading for the trail/bridge). He could have left for a while and possibly returned when people started arriving to search, or he may have just stayed there waiting until people started arriving. He could have then contacted the friend and told him/her to bring RL back because he wanted to leave (possibly saying because something seemed to be going on and he didn't want to get involved in it). He may have even suggested meeting by RL's place to drop off his truck and then leave; he could have been parked in that building they were searching across the road where RL's truck was said to have been parked.

    It's possible that one person may have seen the vehicle sitting there at noon or saw the friend transfer from it to RL's truck, and one of the friends or family members saw it leaving when they arrived around 5 to search. Otherwise, family and friends may have just reported that there was no vehicle parked there when they arrived, so they knew it was gone by 5:00. I think I'm on the verge of really rambling again, so I'll quit for now. I hope this makes some sense. MOO
     
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