IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

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    ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
    "On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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    Delphi homicide suspect
    On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."

    LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
     
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    Jumping off this post to remind everyone that you need to call or email the police if you think you have a tip or have discovered a person who matches the sketch or sketches. DO NOT post what you think you have found here on the forum.

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  6. CrimeDawg123

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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
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    Admin note: Be sure to read the parameters for posting laid out in post #1 and 2 by Tricia.

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    This thread is dedicated to discussing details of Abby's and Libby's case.

    Please keep details related to other cases in their own dedicated thread. It gets confusing to read a post, wonder what the heck it is about, and then realize it pertains to another case entirely.
     
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    Please continue discussion here.

    Let this be the thread.

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  12. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Yeah. I think that’s both reasonable and likely.

    God knows they were right, as he went on to murder them shortly after that.

    He must have seemed out of place, or done something that made them leery of him.

    Perhaps he was looking at them in a way that made them uncomfortable. Whatever it was, he got their attention.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    As a girl you learn to start working that intuition pretty early on, unfortunately. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way to guys at all. 99% of all men are awesome, IMO. But that little niggling we learn to develop starts early. My daughter is 7 and she's already starting to say things like, "Mommy, that person's making me feel uncomfortable." I told her to always go with her gut. Better to hurt someone's feelings and apologize than to take a chance whenever you start feeling that something's up.
     
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    Imo they felt he was "creepy" but did not feel in real danger or threatened until it was to late. I would think she would have called 911 or someone rather than film him if she truly felt he was going to harm them.
     
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    Just adding the two updates and clarifications regarding the April 22, 2019 Press Conference for handy reference -

    Indiana State Police release new sketch of Delphi murder suspect | Carroll County Calendar
    by carrollcalendar · Published April 22, 2019 · Updated April 24, 2019

    EDITOR’S NOTE: During the press conference, the Indiana State Police Superintendent said authorities are also seeking the public’s help to identify the driver of a vehicle they say was parked at the old CPS/DCS Welfare Building in Delphi and later abandoned on the east side of CR 300N, next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between noon and 5 p.m. on February 14, 2017. Police say if you were parked there or know who was, you should contact officers at the command post at the Delphi City Building.

    UPDATE FROM INDIANA STATE POLICE ON APRIL 23, 2019:

    Delphi, IN – The Multi-Agency Task Force is providing the below points of clarification after yesterday’s informational news conference.

    • A car was parked in the abandoned CPS building parking lot between the hours of noon and 5:00 p.m. on February 13, 2017
      • We are looking for anyone who could give a description of vehicles that were in the parking lot during the time
    • The location of the abandoned CPS building was 6931 West 300 North, Delphi, IN
      • The building has since been demolished and the lot is vacant
    • The Multi-Agency Task Force is seeking tips and information about how the subject depicted in the sketch is linked to the Delphi area.
      • The Task Force is not asking for investigative suggestions
      • Tips on the suspect sketch are our main interest
    • When sending a tip to the abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com email address, please do not leave just a name and number to call
      • Provide specific tip information in your email
      • Please include your name and contact phone number
        • This is for investigators to follow up if they need clarification on your tip
        • Your contact information will remain confidential
    Since 12:30 p.m, April 22nd, the Multi-Agency Task Force has received:

    • More than 800 email tips
    • Over 150 phone tips to the tip line
    • More than 50 tips phoned directly to police agencies that are part of the task force
      • Tips not sent to the email address or to the 800 tip line may not be forwarded to the task force in a timely manner.


    UPDATE FROM INDIANA STATE POLICE ON APRIL 24, 2019:


    Delphi, Indiana – In the early days and months of the Delphi Murder investigation information was developed about suspect descriptions. It was initially believed the sketch that has been in public view over the last two years of a person in the age range of his 40’s to 50’s was a person of interest in this murder investigation. Now, as the investigation has matured and past information has been reassessed, it is the belief of investigators with the Multi-Agency Task Force that the person depicted in the sketch released on April 22nd more accurately represents the person wanted for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    It is important to distinguish these points about the two sketches:

    • They are not the same person
    • The person depicted in the originally released sketch is not presently a person of interest in this investigation
    • The sketch released on April 22nd is representative of the face of the person captured in the video on Liberty German’s cell phone as he was walking on the high bridge
    • The person in the sketch released April 22nd is described as having a youthful appearance, but could fall in the age range from his 20’s to late 30’s
    • This person’s appearance could look different today if he has grown a mustache, beard or let his hair grow longer or cut his hair shorter than depicted in the sketch
    Members of the Delphi community should reflect back on people they know in the community that look similar to the sketch released on April 22nd, especially if that person has changed their appearance since the murders occurred in February of 2017.
     
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    We do have some reports the phone was located near the final crime scene (shared earlier). The data, including the video, seem to have come from it, and possibly not “cloud” data. Don’t know, but it does matter.

    The snap of BG from the video was released early on so the video was found fairly quickly in the scheme of things. It seemed like evidentiary gold, looking back.

    In the end, all it did was point out how so many men wear similar clothes.

    I am not sure he was aware he was being filmed or not.

    That matters, too. If he was aware, it might have triggered his attack from the get go, especially if he has paranoid characteristics. If he wasn’t aware, he might have been so focused on his intentions, he didn’t notice. Another personality clue, I guess?

    It might help to know these things, as far as tipsters who know him. (It may also be the investigators don’t know if he knew Libby was capturing him on her phone or not, to be fair).

    That’s why the crime is so confounding and hard for me after two years, because it could be sharing information on his personality might be helpful to someone who knows him step forward. Little clues could mean big steps.
     
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    You're right, those things do matter.

    I don't believe he knew he was on film. If he knew that when he killed the girls, he would have done something with the phone. He maybe wouldn't have taken it with him, knowing it would track him, but turning it off and dumping it downstream or something along those lines would at least give him a better chance than leaving known footage of himself with the bodies. JMO

    IMO, he did NOT used SM to track the girls, he had NO idea he was on film or audio, and he NEVER even thought about a phone being there, before, during, or after the murders. If he did, but then left the phone, he was an idiot.

    Then again, he's watched himself walk across that bridge how many times and still hasn't been caught...
     
  18. cluciano63

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    Hard to believe that he didn’t imagine at least one of the girls would have a phone, even if he never thought of pictures or video. He may have left it there on purpose, never having touched it...which seems more likely than not even thinking about phones...imo.
     
  19. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Bringing this forth from the last thread that closed about the time I posted:

    Perhaps I've missed it as this thread moves fast! Has anyone discussed whether Libby had "Find my Friend" on her phone? If they were catfishes and accepted the Perp as a friend on this app, he could have easily tracked them moment by moment.
    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  20. Jabarn

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    It does make me lean toward he was so caught up in the emotion of frenzy in the attack, and how quick he would have to be to avoid others, he missed what Libby was doing. Still, it would be awesome to have that clarified for certain.
     
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