IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

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  1. cody22

    cody22 Well-Known Member

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    It may have crossed his mind that he could be tracked by it, if he took it. Destroying it on the spot, if seen, would have been better for BG.....moo
     
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  2. ijuswannaplay2

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    After looking at the helicopter video and the stills Jethro posted it looks as if the crime scene is closer to the cemetery than the creek. If that's the case, it makes me think he was leading them towards the cemetery and a possible getaway vehicle to abduct them and take them to another location. Maybe one or both of the girls decided to make a break for it and took off which led him to commit the murders there. Doesn't make sense to me, if just killing them was his original plan, why he didn't do it closer to crossing the creek. MOO
     
  3. Julia966

    Julia966 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, taking the phone or anything from the crime scene would be very dangerous. He had no idea he was being recorded and photographed, so there would be no reason to. He must have been in shock to find his picture and voice all over the internet and the news.
     
  4. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    So is the consensus this is an Indiana accent? Delphi/Lafayette/Logansport? Can we pin it down?
     
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  5. oksooner

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    Does anyone else think sketch #2 is very specific? I don't think it is coincidence that it looks exactly like someone close. If I am right(purely MOO), I think they will make an arrest within a couple of months.
     
  6. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Or he got them into a vehicle under the bridge immediately and did take them around to RL's or the cemetery. If the you tubers got the reenactments wrong maybe they didn't cross the creek after all. However, we do have reports the girls were found 50 feet from the creek so that is pretty exact ie nearer to the creek than the cemetery.
     
  7. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Amish people? Do they shun phones and computers? (And vehicles, so that is maybe out.)
     
  8. TL4S

    TL4S Unverified Clown

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    Makes me look at that scenario closer, too.
     
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  9. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    MOO I didn't see a good look the sand bar area in the helicopter footage, maybe I missed it. JM was there 2 weeks later, 3/5//017. I know all waterways level data is available but don't see it when I tried to search this morning. It would be interesting to know.
     
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    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    MOO they were found on a flat. MOO up from the creek its a climb until there.
     
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  11. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I think where we saw the flashes is where the girls were found. I think the white thing nearer the cemetery is likely the forensic tent on slightly more level ground or even the coroners vehicle. MOO
     
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  12. CrimeDawg123

    CrimeDawg123 Well-Known Member

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    I am inclined to think his taking the girls across the creek towards the cemetery was for the express purpose of his getaway. Whether he intended to abduct one or both, or just attack/kill in situ, he needed to get away and he did it on that side of the creek. IMO
     
  13. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Brothers or cousins perhaps? Father and son? Two people should in theory be easier to catch but they could be each others alibis too.
     
  14. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    This is my best estimated position:
    Google Maps
     
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  15. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Perhaps he had someone waiting at a designated spot, or he had another cache of murderous tools waiting somewhere. Or, a specific tree he wanted to leverage for restraint purposes.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
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  16. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I have always strongly speculated that this is the case.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  17. FinePrint

    FinePrint Well-Known Member

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    Looks like from the most southern part of the cemetery to the waters edge is approximately 700 feet.

    From the photo posted earlier by Jethro you can see how close the water is to the crime scene. Maybe 100 feet in my estimation. It looks to me (my own opinion) that those flashes seen in the copter footage are at the staging area for LE vehicles at the very rear (southern part) of the cemetery. That still picture of Jethro's with the crime tape is so much closer to the water than it is to the cemetery.
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  18. JnRyan

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    If that was his vehicle parked at the CPS building, I'm thinking he left the crime scene staying just inside the tree line till he got close to the trail. Then he likely walked out to the road and walked to his vehicle. After the murders he likely wanted to minimize his presence on the trails. Very early on, LE was asking if anyone noticed a person walking on the roads in that general area.
     
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  19. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    It isn't near the cemetery. It is about 800 feet from it as the crow flies.

    To allow you (and others) to maybe get a better perspective of what the area there looks like the following link will take you to a map of the bridge area on IndianaMap.org (not easy to use) where there are all kinds of GIS and data sets available. The two I have set up are the best available imagery (2011) and the LIDAR view of the same area. On the left of the map there the active layers should be shown. The layer I have on top is the Imagery Layer. To see the LIDAR layer (to see what the terrain looks like without the trees in the way) click on the up arrow to the right of the LIDAR layer. To toggle between the two of these layers just hit the up arrow next to the 2nd layer listed.

    IndianaMAP
     
  20. bradfordsleuth

    bradfordsleuth Well-Known Member

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    All theories should be on the table until LE says otherwise. :)

    My apologies, I should have clarified what I meant about the perp not counting on cloud data being available, I didn't intend to imply that the perp wasn't aware of cloud data. That was my mistake.;)

    What I should have said is that not everyone has their phone set to back up their data to a cloud (including me when I had my purse and phone stolen and learned my lesson by losing over a years worth of family videos and photos.) If you are an individual who doesn't have their phone set to backup, you may assume that others don't as well.

    JMO
     
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