Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #107

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  1. OhioStateD

    OhioStateD Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, super random but my brother passed away at 12, I was 10. Unexpected illness and he passed 3 days into it. We were very close and I was very upset about it as were my mom and other siblings. My mom was opening sympathy cards one night, and I was in awe of someone writing us a check for $200. Keep in mind this was 1988, I was 10 and thought that was a ton of money. I was somewhat celebratory about the check and my mom slapped me across the face and started crying. She said, "I'd give all the money in the world to have Chris back" and then started apologizing for slapping me. I didn't know any better and she was in the midst of some very heavy grief. She had never done that before and hasn't since. Grief is a different animal we can't understand until we're in it....I've been in it when my Dad passed and when my brother passed. One never knows how they'll react .
     
  2. somequestions

    somequestions Well-Known Member

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    I am still questioning whether or not the sketches in this Delphi case are based on factual video information from Liberty German's phone or the opinion of investigators that the killer must be from the Delphi, Indiana area because he knows about the Monon High Bridge and where to park his vehicle.

    I think police are wrong about this case. I think the killer is a refrigerated truck driver who could possibly be connected to the Evansdale, Iowa case and that when he is identified is not going to look anything like either of the two sketches released by police.
     
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  3. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    You have posted this specific speculation that this is a refrigerated truck driver a couple times now. This sounds very specific, and with basis. If you have a legit tip with something to substantiate it, please submit to LE. We are a sounding board, but they can take action if appropriate.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  4. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    What makes you think this? What do you think of the video of Bridge Guy? You don't think he's involved at all?
     
  5. steeltowngirl

    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    Man in black is described in this video, starting around 1:40
     
  6. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Thank you. Interesting to watch the very early videos.
     
  7. steeltowngirl

    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone have a link where it’s stated that the girls crossed the creek?

    LE is sure it was over soon after the video, yet I’ve heard there is much more audio.
    But we don’t know that the phone was always in the girls possession.

    Long shot idea, but did someone take their phone and they were actually chasing the person to get it back?
     
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  8. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    bbm - Start about the 10:00 mark.

    Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence
     
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    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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  10. somequestions

    somequestions Well-Known Member

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    I did submit this as a tip to law enforcement starting way back in March 2017 and a few more times since then. I have submitted tips about other cases as well. So I base my theories on what I think.

    I saw a guy wearing the same type of clothing who was a refrigerated truck driver. I think he had big facial cheeks that were kind of droopy. He also had what I think was like a disability or deformity of his body, smaller limbs so his hands and elbows looked small. Legs were small too, but he had a big stomach.

    But he was a stranger. I do not know his voice or his body movements. I do not know his name or truck or anything else. All that stuff that Supt. Carter said I think he was referring to people who may know the suspect.

    So does this mean I saw the person on Liberty German's phone? NO. It only means that I think I may have seen him. I gave police some locational information to check the tip out and try and determine who I saw. I can only guess my tip was already checked out. I got a generic response thanking me for the information about my tip. But like I wrote in a previous post,

    "Haven't 46,000 people think they have seen the Delphi suspect?"
     
  11. ijuswannaplay2

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    Could they rename the bridge in Abby/Libby names after the restoring of it?
     
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  12. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    It is hard to understand how someone would feel. For all of us. We know Abby was shy, maybe for her mother it is hard to show emotions in front of a group of people or TV reporters or anyone public?

    I think what gets both families going is the hope that BG will be caught. They have a purpose. When (I hope, when, not if) it happens, the trial will be supporting them.

    When everything is over, this is when both families will need a lot of support. Their purpose will be gone, and they will be left only with their grief. This will be a very hard time.

    RIP Abby and Libby.
     
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    Hey, R,U, Kidding, where ya been all this time? :). I was on some earlier threads with you..... Trying to recall, was it the Robyn Gardner thread?

    I remember wondering how Abby’s mom seemed to be so detached. But as others say, and you, we all have our own life experiences that affect how we respond. Some of us were raised undergoing some hard knocks as well, so are more resilient. That might at times come across as being cold or hardened, when it’s just a veneer to protect ourselves.
    I don’t think I’m quite as tough as her in this same situation, but I might wish I were. I absolutely hate crying in front of people.
    Don’t be hard on here yourself, we’re all only human.(hug)
     
  14. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    bbm
    I don't remember 100% exact, but I think, it belongs to the comments of a video re Abby/Libby:
    One of the writers stated, it maybe the BG took the photo of Abby on the bridge*. The writer gave the impression (to me at least), he would know ... The next writer asked, if he had been there himself. The original commentator then answered slightly annoying "Were you?" - Afterwards: nothing to see of this user again, nowhere.
    The username of the person, who stated "pic made by BG", were the initials of the kidnapper/murderer in case Jayme C./WI.
    * Because I think since the first view onto this pic of Abby on the bridge, that Abby doesn't look like a girl having fun on a warm February day with her best friend, but somehow embarrassed, I stumbled over this comment.
     
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    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    I’m not for this idea at all and I don’t think the girl’s families would be either. The memorial park for them is a much better idea.
     
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  16. Howcanppldosuch

    Howcanppldosuch Well-Known Member

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    Wow
     
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  17. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Roses and a rockery at the new ball park and renovated bridge plus trail cameras.
    Sorry, Roses, I don't agree with a memorial at the crime scene. That place is best forgotten IMO.
     
  18. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    WOW. Did you take a screenshot?
     
  19. MizStery

    MizStery Missing Pregnant Lacy P. brought me here in 2005

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    Websleuths Poster ‘Steeltowngirl’ asked,” does anyone have a link where it’s stated that the girls crossed the creek?”

    Hello to All,
    The video posted in the Jax49 link has been edited down from 27min to less than 5 minutes. I have searched for a YouTube video of the entire 27 minute interview with no luck.

    Darn, the same thing has happened on some of Grey Hughes videos. Without warning entire swatches of these videos are edited or parts deleted.

    Back to my question since the segment of the Fox59 interview I desperately wanted to hear is now missing. Does anyone know if there is a transcription or could someone paraphrase what the lead detectives ‘exact words or phasing’ were in regards to ‘Libby and Abby crossing the creek’?

    Thanks for reading my post.

    MOO
     
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  20. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    There was a transcript done by @Spellbound IIRC and it was done in several parts but I haven't found it. Thread 65 could be the timeframe it was done - mid August 2017 I think.

    I wonder why the video has been edited? Are LE backtracking on the crossing the creek comment? Especially now with the new comment that the reenactments are wrong. Hmmmm.

    I hope this means they are getting close to bagging the perp.
     
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