Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #108

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

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    ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
    "On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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    Delphi homicide suspect
    On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."

    LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
     
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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
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    @TL4S
    "And as far as where there was police tape, I only have MSM pictures to go by. There very well could have been more areas taped off, including near the creek banks"

    delphicarcrimetape.jpg

    Bringing your post over from the last thread. The photo above is from MSM, and some here think it depicts the opposite side of the creek from where the girls were found. You can see LE vehicles on the private road that leads to a resident's home.
     
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    I remember this photo. The disturbed leaves, raw dirt area, always made me wonder if this was where their bodies were found..................moo
     
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    Thank you for posting this! Is that supposedly the road to the south of the bridge? Do we know those are LE vehicles for certain?
     
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    I specifically remember you saying it looked like a drag mark. And it kind of does.
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Bumping
    Well we should start with listing the evidence LE have given us.

    2.30 BG on the bridge followed by criminal activity.
    Video and voice
    Height, weight, description, age 18-40
    Girls crime scene on N side of creek
    Local and/or works local
    Majority of family cleared
    Some DNA (may not be identifiable to perp)
    Vehicle of interest
    Phone and SM data
    Reenactments wrong
    Some witnesses saw BG in the area
    Girls crossed the creek

    Anything else to add?
     
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    LE has said the girls crossed the creek.
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Halfway Across: The Delphi Murders

    There is an interesting part in this article from the media thread which is taken from Kelsie's speech at her university. I will copy a section from the article.

    Kelsi wants justice.

    She does not want people to forget.

    “In the beginning, it felt good to be away from home and to get away from people who knew who I was,” she says. “At the start of the semester, I wouldn’t even tell people my last name because I thought the right thing to do was to distance myself from the case in order for people to treat me the way I wanted them to. About halfway through the semester, though, I realized that people didn’t know about the case. So, yes, it was a relief, but in the end, it only made me realize how important it is to keep the story out there.”

    Early in her freshman year, she was asked to give a speech on the topic “This I Believe” for a public-speaking course. The room was filled with strangers. To this audience, Kelsi wasn’t associated with a tragedy. She could have spoken about faith, family, or politics. She could have vanished into the crowd.
    Some of the text from her speech:

    “At 1:35, we arrived at the entrance to the bridge, the girls got out of my car, and I never saw them alive again. Everything from that moment goes in slow motion, when I allow myself to actually go back over that day and the week that followed … I was asked to remember things that I had dismissed, interrogated by countless police officers and FBI agents, followed by strangers with cameras and news reporters in vans. For weeks, I tore myself down. Contemplating how I should have been with her. I told myself I could have saved them. I may not have made it, but at least my sister might be here. I wouldn’t be hurting. Asking myself if I would have been there, could I have really helped? Or would my sister be here mourning the loss of her big sister? Or worse, would my family have had to suffer a double loss and plan two funerals?”

    With that, Kelsi removed the cloak of anonymity she had found in Muncie, and embraced an active role in the search for her sister’s killer.

    “I was in denial for a long time,” she says. “I kept telling myself that it wasn’t real and that Libby would be walking through my bedroom door any minute to tell me about her day. Eventually, I realized how unhealthy that was and I began wanting to help more.”
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    EXCLUSIVE: The lonely spot where murdered teenage girls were last seen - and where mystery man being hunted by police was pictured

    (Copied from media thread courtesy Margarita and jethro4WS )

    There is a picture in this article that looks similar to the one above and it is of crime scene tape near the trail entrance gate and there is what looks like the wheel of a trailer in the background. Is it the same spot?

    It looks like the same trailer wheel to me. If so this is not at the bridge end but at the trail head drop off IMO.
    @SeattleStew please could you post the MSM link as well? TIA.
     
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    Yeah, I fully agree, that close up photo of the crime scene tape with the gate blurry in the background looks like the same tape in the photo posted above (that some thought was on the opposite side of the creek).

    Is that the trailhead that the girls were dropped off at? Which is no longer in use?

    Thanks, tresir2012, for posting this.
     
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