Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #116

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  1. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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  2. busymcmoody

    busymcmoody Well-Known Member

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    The GH video with Kelsi will give you a couple of answers. Kelsi identified the shoe.
     
  3. pixiepixel

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    Does anyone know how quickly the FBI and ISP became involved in the case?

    MOO - I believe a lot of the problems with the investigation, and April's "new direction", came as a result of Delphi's PD mismanaging the case in its early days. This is not a condemnation of local LE; we have seen time and time again that small, rural police forces are entirely unequipped to deal with major crimes like these.

    When the girls first went missing, they were not thought to be in danger:

    "Based on the information given by family and friends, police do not believe foul play is involved and have been given no information that would lead them to believe the girls are in any immediate danger, other than exposure to outside elements." (Posted at 1:00am on Feb 14)
    Consequentially, IMO, this led to a grassroots search party and after the fact LE would have had a difficult time finding and interviewing everyone involved.

    Naturally, without analyzing Libby's video first, police had no idea what the extent of the crime scene was. They only had the location of the bodies. In hindsight, they should have cordoned off the entire area around Monon, but again, they wouldn't have known that until they saw the video.

    Perhaps items of evidence were initially overlooked. Perhaps potential suspects with flimsy alibis were ruled out too soon. Perhaps LE tunneled in on the first sketch and overlooked things.

    This is all just my opinion, mostly ramblings.
     
  4. Justice101

    Justice101 Well-Known Member

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    But found who's shoe???
     
  5. Justice101

    Justice101 Well-Known Member

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    FBI was in very quickly.. .like within a week if I recall correctly.
     
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    JMO and from reading different articles and watching different videos, it was Libby's shoe.

    (If link below does not open because J & C sometimes blocks their articles, then use your browser to open it in "Incognito Mode")
    'Dr. Phil' asks for tips to catch Delphi killer

    "Kelsi recalled the searchers yelled up the hill to her from the murder scene, asking if she knew what the girls were wearing. Kelsi yelled back the color of Libby's shoes"

    Delphi murders discussion on Dr. Phil fuels hope that case will be solved


    "Kelsi German helped searchers identify the bodies by the color of her sister’s shoes.

    I yelled down to them. I told them they were Lilly’s shoes,” she said. “They yelled again that they found them.”

    ETA an additional link (Libby's name is misspelled in the article :()
     
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  7. busymcmoody

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    Kelsi identified the shoe (that's what she said in the GH video) so it's safe to say that it was Libby's I think?
     
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    To think, Libby had run off to her mother in KY (as she allegedly did before) is one thing. But would Abby have followed her to KY? That sounds a bit outlandish, IMO, and daring re Abby, who had to expect some big trouble with her mother AW.
     
  9. Falling Down

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    Below is a RTV6 video taken from a helicopter during the early afternoon hours of Feb. 14th. I would imagine the area was cordoned off well for the search on Feb. 14h, by mid-morning a large search party met at the volunteer fire house in town, which was the base of operations for the search for the girls.

    An FBI agent happens to live in that area, and was involved in the Feb. 13th search. The official FBI involvement would have started after the bodies were found on the 14th. ISP and local agencies would have been involved in the search efforts, looks like a lot of resources were put in to the efforts on the 14th.

     
  10. minazoe

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    see now I always thought that someone saw a shoe, but it was attached to Libby who was in the leaves. .. perhaps I am wrong and someone discovered a lone unattached shoe..??? mOO
     
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    If one shoe was found in a driveway (as said here before) and this shoe was found at the "crime scene", the shoe would have been the second one. Or am I wrong with that?
     
  12. bradfordsleuth

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    I agree.

    Based on watching GH's video (I believe that there is another video out there that also mentions the shoe - just please don't ask me to find it! ;)) and reading articles, one shoe was found on the private driveway and the shoe at the crime scene was likely found on Libby.

    It seems like the timing between finding the shoe and then locating the girls was within minutes. JMO

    Just to add....I don't know who found the shoe, or what the distance between where the shoe was found and the crime scene was. I don't think that any of that info has ever been released. ;)

    JMO, speculation and thoughts
     
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    In the video Kelsi said that [paraphrasing] when she identified the shoe they looked across the creek and saw them. So I'm not sure about the shoe being in a driveway.
    ETA unless that was the second shoe they found (oops that's what you said)? Or do I have my orientation wrong? But it didn't sound like the shoe was on Libby's foot.
     
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    Sorry to be a pain but can I ask do we know how these two girls were murdered?

    If not, I wonder why they are holding back that information, obviously to do with when they catch the killer but must be something unique I.e not just strangulation for example (sorry for being so blunt)
     
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    IMO I find the fact that zero info has been released regarding method of death is hinky too. Although maybe the info may have been released if someone had been charged and/or a Grand Jury impaneled.
    Also I cannot fathom why the search the night of their disappearance was called off. If my 14 year old child or her friend went missing under similar circumstances, there is zero chance I would give up a search in fact I would bring in LE from everywhere and dogs to search.
    Under what premise is it ok to call off a search for two missing teenage girls hours after anyone had contact with them, leaving them alone and in the dark on a cold February night?
    There is too much wrong with this scenario to even begin to understand all the ways in which this went wrong. Ugh
     
  16. MingyMoo

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    Depends really doesnt it. I am with you here and smell a clever Rat.
     
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    "Around 7:30 in the morning we had all went back out to search.

    Three of us chose to cross the bridge to look underneath the bridge on the opposite side.

    Um, and that’s where I ended up hearing that we found the bodies.
    ...
    I was standing on the trail that’s right under the bridge looking out into the woods and somebody yelled up that they had found a shoe.

    And when they had found the shoe they had asked what kind of shoes the girls were wearing, and they yelled up the type of shoe that Libby was wearing. So I yelled down and told them that.

    Actually then the person that had asked that had put up their phone and saw two deer in the ground moving. And so he was looking to see what it might be, and he saw two deer standing up there, and when he saw them, he moved the camera down, and that’s when we found them."

    https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/joe-melillo/infamous-indy/e/58696347
     
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    Another factor affecting the Delphi case the evening of the 13th was there was an Amber Alert out of Gary for a teen, as part of a murder investigation. ISP resources were being diverted to that area for the search.
     
  19. stattlich1

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    We are on the same page, something stinks about this. I was born at night, but NOT last night :)

    There is specific protocol.

    No amber alert?
    Leave 'em be til morning?
    Search resumes at what time the next day? 10:00? 11:45? Seriously?

    Too many questions. No fool here, I smell a rat.

    All my personal opinion, of course :)
     
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    Not being a pain at all. We don't know how...and we really dont need to know.

    Knowing wouldnt do anything to assist in capturing the killer, except potentially get a lot of crazy people giving false confessions.

    If no one but LE and the corner know how the girls were killed....when and if a tip comes in, and information is collaborated that only LE and the killer would know....then that helps out tremendously.
     
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