Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #120

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  1. I can't imagine, if it was a stranger to the killer, but it maybe possible. MOO
     
  2. bbm
    ''When I woke up this morning I was feeling pretty dangerous.''
    A QB of the Cleveland Browns once said, who has zero to do with this case. Maybe, even killers are feeling the same one morning, out of the sudden, from time to time. Frightening, but possible. IMO
     
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  3. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    Perhaps he carried some items with him that day - bulky jacket - and then left some at the CS..For some reason the image of a prosthetic leg keeps popping up in my head...wild imagination than anything of course. Oh boy..

    ALL IMO

    -Nin
     
  4. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    The signatures could be part of the COD and hence would not be released. Just saying.

    ALL IMO

    -Nin
     
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  5. Falcon500

    Falcon500 Verified Law Enforcement Detective/L.E. Procedures

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    Many, including me, believe he is responsible for the Iowa case.
     
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  6. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    I would hope that if he is and LE thinks he is, there'd be a huge push in that county in Iowa to identify BG by the photos/voice/video/sketch..... He could be "hiding in plain sight" in Iowa, not Indiana.
     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Well that is a sci-fi/horror type scenario, but it has happened and the crime is still unsolved.

    Students in Quebec came across a murdered college student's body in the woods, and apparently thinking she was a mannequin, set her body on fire.
    Ultimately the charges were dropped, but the perp remains on the loose, hmmm- not likely related to this case, but since there are some slight similarities, might as well post a few details..fwiw, imo, speculation.
    Ws thread..
    CANADA - Canada - Valerie Leblanc, 18, Gatineau QC, 23 Aug 2011

    No body tampering charges laid in Valerie Leblanc case
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    Police have released this sketch of an 'important witness' in the Valerie Leblanc murder investigation, Thursday, October 13, 2011.
    Police say there are still no suspects in the case and a search continues for a main witness. They've released a sketch of this witness and in recent weeks a description of a bicycle they believe this witness rides.
    The bicycle is described as a mountain bike with a straight handlebars. Police say the bike appears to be a lower end model and that it had mountain or hybrid tires.
    The key witness is described as:
    • white
    • French-speaking
    • 20-35 years old
    • 5'10" to 6' tall
    • 200 lbs or more
    • dark hair
    • large hands
    • thick neck
    • chubby face with high cheekbones
    • pointy nose and chin
    • walks with a limp
     
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    Eclipsed Active Member

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    Or Montana
     
  9. curiousgene

    curiousgene Well-Known Member

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    Me too!
     
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  10. His wife will know, what he had to say. He talked to her during the stand-off, AFAIK. If we would know too ... But I think, it isn't him re Delphi.
     
  11. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    Why Montana?
     
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    Cj707 Well-Known Member

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    Forgive my ignorance, and if it's not allowed I get it, but who is PE? I have tried to figure it out on my own to no avail and decided to ask here as a last resort.

    Again, if we are not allowed to say a whole name I get it, maybe someone could give me some kind of clue that I can follow to find some info. LOL MOO and Thank you!
     
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    I don't believe that is legal. I think you have to have a search warrant for AN INDIVIDUAL to get data on what towers that person pinged. At least, that is the way the law was years ago.
     
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    I agree, "signatures" could mean circumstances and not physical evidence at all.

    JMO
     
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    OR persons, plural. In a recent podcast someone was explaining the difficulty with touch or contact DNA. That jacket or sweatshirt that Liberty or Kelsi kept in the car is a potential problem. How long has it been in the car? How many times and where has she worn it.

    For example, we could have Person A - from out of town - who pulls into a fast food restaurant in Delphi. Person B - a local - bumps into Person A while backing out of the line and as a result Person B now has DNA from Person A on his or her jacket. Later while playing outside Person B bumps against Liberty and her jacket. Now Liberty could have the touch DNA from BOTH Person B and an unknown Person A. Person A's DNA is not going to show up anywhere if LE were to even collect DNA from every man in the county if Person A is not in the system. But LE, unaware of the above circumstances, has no idea, as you say, whether or not Person A is the killer or just another innocent bystander. And given the number of possibilities surrounding how often and where Liberty wore the jacket LE could 2 or 3 or a dozen unidentified DNA profiles. Then there is what they might find on Abigail. BUT, if the killer used a gun and never touched the girls NONE of the DNA would be from him. Yes, I believe LE has a big problem here.

    One big hole in my scenario is the 'signatures'. Could LE place more emphasis on DNA found on a signature? And if that DNA was on more than one signature?
     
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    Well, that punches a hole in my theory that LE might find DNA on a signature or signatures.
     
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  17. I agree, although without the last of your sentences. ;)
     
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    One similarity that bothers me between the Delphi and Evansdale cases is crime scene proximity to a major highway system.

    There's Interstate 380/hwy 20 directly south of Meyer's Lake in Evansdale, and the Hoosier Heartland Highway just west of the Monon High Bridge Trail. I know the Evansdale girls were moved to another location, but if it's a SK, and that was his first murder, maybe by the time he got to Delphi he didn't want the hassle or risk of transporting.

    Anyway, it's probably not significant, but when I look at the maps, that's the first thing that stands out. It makes me wonder about the side roads around and under those major highways, too. Someone traveling a regular route, for whatever reason, and it involves taking exits on and off those highways routinely, and he happens to see girls alone in wooded areas...

    Also of note, there's a waterway (Cedar River - IA, Deer Creek - IN) nearby in both cases, along with park grounds, bridges that cross the waterway, and nature trails.
     
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    Police want to know if Etter is tied to Delphi killings
     
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    chaz Well-Known Member

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    Call me confused but I was just listening to the Megphone podcast. Part5 Delphi Evidence.

    https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/sceneofthecrime?selected=HIM3571104404
    At 12:50 minutes it says:

    "Robert Ives told us that he personally submitted multiple subpoenas seeking to obtain all celphone records within a five mile radius that day to determine who was in the area on the 13th. All owners of celphone that pinged in the area of the bridge that day were contacted regarding their activities and wther they'd seen anything. Investigators looked particularly closely at anyone who's phone records showed that they were newly in the area or spend several hours there during the time in question."
     
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