Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #132

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  1. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    One of two, either the scene mimicked something a SK would create, with all these signatures, and IRL, he was local and targeting one victim only, or, he made it look like there was an obvious purpose for an attack, but IRL, there was none, or the true reason was totally different. JMO.

    Bizarre case.
     


  2. photographer4

    photographer4 Well-Known Member

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    I actually had imagined the searchers may have walked right up to the bodies. Its possible someone may even have checked for a pulse. We don't know. All we know is they were found by a group of searchers, and they may not have realized immediately what they'd come upon.
     
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    Wasn’t it recently stated by LE that the girls were victims of “circumstance and opportunity”? To me those words indicate their murders were the exact opposite of any premeditated and targeted scenario.
     
  4. MistyWaters

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    No I definitely don’t think volunteer searchers would be expected to check for a pulse as they’re are not trained in emergency response. After locating, approaching might also needlessly waste valuable time if there’s a chance official responders could save a life.

    I don’t know what the searchers observed or how close they got but I think there’s too many unknowns to draw any firm conclusions about why they didn’t immediately notice a crime had occurred. It could be something as simple as the bodies were partially out of view or were covered with leaves.
     
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  5. catch_22

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    One possibility on why the tape could have been left up:

    I would think that within a few days of the crime, that anything that LE thought could be potential evidence would have been collected. But I'm sure over the following weeks or months, different officers from different agencies had various reasons for wanting to visit the crime scene. I'm not trying to make light of the situation, but without the tape they were liable to be wandering around out there like the blair witch project. Just a thought.....

    MOO
     
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    That's always been a question in my mind, too. It's not that I think we should necessarily see more signs if violence or chaos within that taped-off area, but in the photos I've seen, I see absolutely no signs of any activity. Like you said with the other case, here we have nowhere that looks like leaves, grass, or twigs have been collected or even disturbed. IMO
     
  7. MistyWaters

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    I’ve noticed the photos of the taped “crime scene” has no indication of evidence markers. Although I don’t know for sure but it would seem logical that evidence markers and tape would be removed together when all work is completed.
     
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    That's a good point. I am curious if after LE released the property back to RL, did LE then need to get permission to go back on?
     
  9. Yemelyan

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    Of course, we don't know for sure the method by which they died. But just to address your question about strangulation specifically:

    IMO only...there are many post-mortem changes that would be taking place by the time they were found nearly 24 hours later and depending on several factors relating to timing and extent of these, physical "signs" of choking/strangling may not have been apparent to a civilian observer at the scene.
     
  10. TL4S

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    I wonder the same. It seems if other agencies wanted to see the area, it would be most beneficial to have the exact body locations and any other evidence still marked, as well. Jmo But I guess they would have all that photographed, though.

    It's all so frustrating to me.
     
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    Other agencies would probably have diagrams of exact locations from the case files. IMO
     
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    Here's a screen cap from one of the 4-year anniversary interviews. In the middle, on the right hand side, I think I see water. Riley described the scene: "...the creek ran through there real close to the crime scene..."
    I think it looks like a little inlet and I was able to find something that seemed to match on the Beacon site. The area is located directly across from the drainage ditch that runs along the Weber property on the east.

    Crime Scene.jpg
     
  13. janewall

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    RSBM.

    Plastic bags. If the killer had already restrained the girls' hands with zip ties or other restraints, that would have been pathetically easy and effective, without any visible sign of trauma. This could have been an extremely low-tech pair of murders, without significant physical exertion on the killer's part once the girls were where he wanted them to be.

    Just speculating, spurred by my nonstop unpacking and assembling baby supplies for the past 2 days (I have a pair of wee new grands), and every piece is wrapped in a bag with the asphyxiation hazard warning printed on it. And I'm remembering all that stuff he appears to have jammed into his jacket/pockets. What's more portable and lightweight than a bunch of plastic bags? :(
     
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    I hate him.
     
  15. TL4S

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    Hmm. That picture is different than any I've seen. There's another short video clip on this article that shows a taped-off area that doesn't look like the same south cemetery one, either. IDK, maybe just different angles?


    State police receive a thousand tips since new Delphi evidence release | wthr.com
     

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  16. janewall

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    Right there with you.
     
  17. StarryStarryNight

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    I don’t understand the logic in your statement. Because kids spend a lot of time on the internet, logically, there must be a connection between the girls and the murderer? There is absolutely no indication, known to the public, other than speculation that the killer knew the girls in any way, internet or not.
    Your last sentence, I agree with you 100%.
    Just my thoughts.
     
  18. photographer4

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    Is this area I circled in red where you think you see water? I might see it too, not sure. Or, it could be a slope into the creek? Not sure. Also, if the creek ran through very close to the crime scene, maybe he did drown them, and didn't have to drag them anywhere.
     

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    My experience with a crime near where I used to work was that they picked up the evidence marker when they gathered the evidence at that spot. In a couple of cases they replaced a yellow marker with a red one, I assume because they wanted to mark the location but also indicate the item had been processed. Most of the flags were shell casings but the one that went yellow to red was bigger. Might have been where a handgun was thrown.

    But they didn't care about the tape. They took a couple of pieces that were across the sidewalk and told the maintenance people they could clean up the rest. One of the IT people grabbed some of it and for years after our computer lab was draped with crime scene tape.
     
  20. Justice101

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    IMHO, the Evansdale girls were abducted via a vehicle that was on the ROAD near where the girls disappeared. Whereas the Delphi girls were left in the place where they were killed because he would have had to lug them up the hill and/or force them out in the open to a vehicle. In my opinion, there is a huge difference in killer's ability to abduct someone and move their bodies when they have a vehicle right there were as opposed to being on foot on a trail.
     
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