Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #133

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  1. Shamrock1

    Shamrock1 Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t LE state something to the effect of “everyone will be shocked” when he’s caught? I interpreted that to mean (1) the killer is a “pillar of the community” type, (2) killer is a teacher/coach - someone generally trusted, or (3) a close relative to those. Please correct me if I’m mistaken.
     


  2. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    I took it to mean that BG was someone "normal" who you wouldn't expect of such a heinous crime.

    I never thought pillar of community, but "regular Joe."

    jmo

    edited to add: I did at one point suspect a pastor-type, but not a mainstream pastor so not really a "pillar" as most pastors are considered.
     
  3. St. Anthony2017

    St. Anthony2017 Jax2019

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    Let’s hope and pray for an Indiana Press Conference today where ISP Carter gives us some good news!!
     
  4. sandy_80

    sandy_80 Well-Known Member

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    that doesnt make her a hero though.. does it ?
    the family did hear more audio so they would know more about it
     
  5. Boxer

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    Catch this monster!
     
  6. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Stand up for what is right even if you stand alone

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    Hey everyone:) Bringing something here that I would like to discuss. I apologize for posting it elsewhere. I have never forgotten this and I do feel it’s relevant. https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...i-search-into-southeastern-tennessee-counties
    Tennessee sheriff corrects statement, says Delphi suspect not seen in the state
    From article dated Jan. 15, 2018
    BLEDSOE COUNTY, Tenn. -- A Facebook post from a Tennessee sheriff led to confusion Monday about the search for a suspect in the murders of two Delphi, Indiana teens.
    MOO: There is a photo, within the article of the original Facebook post that was removed shortly after it was posted. LE came back quickly and rebuffed it, saying the search was nationwide. I had always found it curious that it was so quickly removed. I do believe there is a connection between BG and Tennessee.
     
  7. Charlot123

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    i don’t care if they are heroes or not. It is sort of misleading. I think they were great girls with the future that was taken away, so cruelly, from them. And they had to die in horror. And they were denied any last rites, confessions, last word. (Even when serial killers are executed, they are treated humanely, with good meals and a chaplain. Their victims get horror, and death, this is all).

    i think that they might be the archetypes of all the victims of all trail murderers. Because of them, we know how the victims’ last moments can be, because with what they left, it is somehow immortalized. We might imagine better the victims of Bundy, Keys and any unnamed Jane Does buried somewhere.

    And to me, the BG is the archetype of the killer as well. In my world, there is no forgiveness, and no amount of killer’s prayers can change it.
     
  8. Beachlife926

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    FWIW I noticed an older guy at the park (hat and reg glasses) with a toddler who I never saw before. He was acting “normal” but I was still alert so I imagined how I would describe him if needed (40-50 feet away). When he left the park I got a closer view (15-20 feet) and from a diff angle then I realized my description was the same but my age was way off and he was probably in low 20’s IMO

    I’m sticking to this thread. The other one is interesting but with Facebook involved, I just can’t seem to follow the rules (sorry mods) :(
     
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  9. zencompass

    zencompass Hope springs eternal

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    February 11, 2021:
    CBS4 Indy:

    "Jay Abbott, retired special agent in charge of the FBI's Indianapolis division, says Abby and Libby's killer left a signature behind, things only the killer would know, which will eventually help identify him. Abbott is convinced someone else knows who this killer is, and he hopes that person will have the courage to come forward."


    At 4:50 Video Time, Jay Abbott speaks about evidence at the crime scene (that they don't talk about) but which points to a "signature" left at the crime scene. Perhaps the "signature" (some L.E. have said "signatures" in plural) will point to an individual soon!
     
  10. Nancy1954

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    Respectfully Yemelyan.. I have no quarrel with what Abby's mom has said, nor any reason to doubt it. The only reason I brought up the noise that was between the words "guys" and "down the hill" was because in my opinion it was LE that has caused some of us to get 'stuck' on why that noise was even put there. Don't you think that putting nothing between those words would have been the best idea? What can be expected to happen when there is that sound between those words? If it was indeed the girls saying something as simple as.."huh?" or whatever.. fine. As we can now see.. LE could have and should have put nothing there at all. I'll leave it at that. JMO
     
  11. Finlay

    Finlay Call me Finn

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    I hadn't been following this case very closely at all until a recent event immediately made me think of it. So now I've been reviewing discussion & media threads here and trying to get up to speed. There's one detail though that I'm still not clear on. Forgive me if this has been discussed at length already but, did LE ever clearly state whether or not they found DNA known to positively be from the killer at the crime scene. It seems that it was initially said that they did, but then a deputy made a "clarifying statement" of some kind that basically said they did not actually say that. And to further confuse the issue, no LEOs after that would clearly state if they did or did not find DNA evidence from the killer. ...so it seemed like it was a detail left purposely unclear. (At least that was what I took away after an hour or so of rereading some of the original old threads on this.) I'm hoping they eventually answered the question but I haven't found reference to it if they did. Can anyone clarify that for me?
     
  12. Yemelyan

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    Respectfully, I'm not an audio technician so I have no idea what the best course of action would have been, but I have the feeling that some of what is heard in between "guys" and "down the hill" is artifact from the conditions on the bridge (wind, etc) and the phone being muffled against clothing and not something edited in. However, I do agree with LE if they tried, as AW said they did, to remove the girls' voices in order to focus attention on the male voice in the clip.
     
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  13. TTF14

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    Very interesting.
     
  14. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    The "in between" noise sounds exactly like what I hear on my doorbell camera when I listen to it on a breezy day.
     
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  15. Yemelyan

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    This was evidently purposely left unconfirmed by LE. Until recently they would not comment about the quantity, quality, or provenance of DNA though they would say things like "at every crime scene, you will find DNA." Recently, reporters with an HLN documentary asked TL, the Carroll County sheriff, if LE has DNA from this crime and do they know if it belongs to the perpetrator. His answer was that they do have (so far, unmatched) DNA but they do not know if it belongs to the perpetrator.
     
  16. MistyWaters

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    IIRC there was also a video that goes with this. The Bledsoe County police department received a police bulletin from Carroll County. They didn’t realize the same bulletin had been sent to every police department across the nation. They thought it had only been sent to their County and the bulletin was indicating the suspect was within their jurisdiction. Seemed like an honest mistake to me by a junior officer or employee. I didn’t think anything more can be read into it considering more than 3 years have passed and a New Direction has occurred since that time. JMO
     
  17. Finlay

    Finlay Call me Finn

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    Thanks for the reply! So even if LE does have a DNA sample on record for the killer (say from some other prior unrelated incarceration or something), it possibly wouldn't match this sample collected if the sample collected did not actually come from the killer. ...that's exactly what I was wondering. I wish they were more certain about the DNA they have.
     
  18. Yemelyan

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    That's correct. The unmatched sample that they have could be from (for example) a totally innocent person who touched the sweatshirt worn by one of them at some earlier point in time. The outerwear were borrowed from another person and had been stored in the back of a car that, I'm assuming, may have transported different individuals from school, work, etc.

    Many people who follow this case also have considered that the sample they have could be partial. If LE do not have the full 13-20 DNA loci that are used by CODIS, but only, for example, 9 of them to compare, they will in effect have too many hits on their sample. It would include hundreds or thousands of people, making it not useful for direct matching; however, it still could be used to exclude individuals who do not match the partial sample that they have. Indiana does not allow familial matching in criminal databases at this point in time so if they have only a partial they are not going to be able to generate close matches from what they do have.
     
  19. sunshineray

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    I think I must have missed that discussion because in reading Anna's words here I don't recall ever reading them before. What would LE's reason for inserting such unpleasant sounds in a very short space of time where the girls just said, huh, what? I can understand them removing their voices but not with filling the space with anything but silence. That just seems weird and makes me wonder why LE techs were told to do that?
     
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  20. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    She stayed, just like you said Kelsei commented. I'm saying, according to her Mom, Abby's inclination was to move away but she stayed with Libby.
     
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