Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #133

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  1. Rosegold68

    Rosegold68 Well-Known Member

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    they have his 'signature' whatever that consists of....and the audio....do we know for sure how many people came forward to say they had seen BG in the area?

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    LE or the FBI...what a disaster. very frustrating for the families too
     
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  2. Boxer

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    They do not have a match of DNA to criminal in the system.

    CODIS
    1. System Error
    2. Not required to be collected at time

    At CS
    1 Incomplete or mixed sample.
    2 No unidentified DNA

    Criminals learn how to avoid leaving DNA in prison.

    For a while, like fingerprints, criminals were not careful, but now they are and make plans not to leave DNA.
    No DNA at a physical struggle murder scene points to an experienced criminal with time.
     
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  3. catch_22

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    I don't think he can be positively identified by the audio nor video. If he was dumb enough to keep the plain blue jacket (doubtful), I do think that would be a good piece of evidence. I don't think it could be 100% proven that it is THE jacket.

    I guess the sketch witnesses could say that he is the guy. Again, probably a good piece of evidence, but if I was a juror, I might be a little skeptical of their "recollection" after 4+ years.

    I don't know how they will tie him to the crime scene. Most likely they don't have dna, or he should have been a match long ago. Will cellphone records pinging on the delphi tower on 2/13/17 be damning enough? I don't know. It doesn't seem like a smoking gun to me. In a court of law, that is. Now me personally, I would find it to be pretty damning.

    JMO
     
  4. Lore Listener

    Lore Listener So many crimes, so little time

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    I totally agree that we need to catch the real Bridge Guy. no doubt. However, I see a lot of really scary pathology in Chadwell, a much stronger resemblance to the sketches than previous suspects, and a similar MO. I’m feeling very positive about this suspect.

    And, having thought the “puppy in the coat” theory was utterly preposterous when the pixelated BG photo first came out, I’m just saying that now that we have a suspect with partially white-faced dogs which he has used to lure a victim and physically bite/assault her, I can’t be so sure. Stranger things have happened in the cases that we follow here.
     
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    Thank you for using the word that I wish I had used, Boxer.. experienced. It is a far better word than the one I chose.. sophisticated. I couldn't agree more with everything you have said here. :)
     
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    experienced criminal with time, who left behind his victims mobile phone?a phone that was likely ringing/vibrating/lighting up with concerned family trying to find them, or at least,snapchat notifications pinging. Unless the phone was turned off. But still, he would have seen it filming him, why did he leave it behind?
     
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    I would add under CODIS these possibilities:

    3. backlog processing samples
    4. backlog entering processed information from samples into the database.
     
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    Yes.
    MOO the risk of taking it would outweigh what is on it.

    MOO his thinking woild be:

    Being tracking vs. Not being tracked --

    More MOO ... unlikely he would suspect there was a photo of him on the phone as he rushed them.
     
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    Yeah, I agree that it is strange/surprising for him to let LE in. But what was his other option? Refuse? That would put an instant target on his back. I think maybe at that point he was just hoping that they wouldn't go in the basement? I do wonder what kind of chain was on the door. I bet is was just a normal one that was put on the door to prevent young children from going down, or falling down, the stairs. The police didn't mention anything about having to get him to unlock the chain, but they wouldn't necessarily mention that, I suppose.

    It does make you wonder what his "end game" was. Was he just counting on LE never having a reason to suspect him? Figured LE wasn't going to randomly search every house in the neighborhood? And by the time they did that, if they ever did that, it would be days later and she would be long gone?

    Obviously, he didn't think this through very well, couldn't control his impulses, and/or his luck finally ran out. The first visit from LE, he had two choices. Say he'd seen her, or she'd been there earlier and she left. Or say he hadn't seen her. If someone else had seen her at his house, the second answer would have thrown up an immediate red flag to LE. Instead, I think he tried to be the friendly, helpful, concerned neighbor that had nothing to hide. Then when LE came back the second time, if he rufuses.....red flag. I think at that point he was just hoping they wouldn't go in the basement.

    I am a bit surprised that he didn't try to resist arrest or flee at that point. Maybe he knew that option had a 99.7% chance of not working?

    JMO
     
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    He got away successfully so ... I would say like all opportunists to rely on fortune favoring the bold rather than careful planning or even good decision making.
    Just speed and surprise.
     
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    Yes, but both photos are selfies and presumably using the same camera.

    The writing on his caps reads correctly in both the photo where you can see the right arm and in the one where you can see the left arm. If they were flipped relative to each other, wouldn't the cap writing be backwards in one of them?

    It does seem odd that he would have the same ink on both arms.
     
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    as an artist.. I feel like the suspect face shape and how BG appears in the video are not a close match.. it looks as bg has a heavier shorter face with possible wrinkles from sketch 1..
     
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    He is a ex-con and the police must have known that by the time they returned.
    JBC would know if he refused they would all stand there and wait for a warrant.
    I think by then they had narrowed him down as her last known contact, and he was also likely impaired.
     
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    I think there is a chance that the two sketches are from different witness describing the same person. If so, it shows just how much of an inexact science that police sketches are. I'm not criticizing the process. I believe it is extremely difficult, and relies heavily on the memories and descriptive abilities of random citizens. I bet the googler has somewhere you can compare police sketches to actual perpatrators. I bet a lot of them are way, way, way off.

    JMO
     
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    Good afternoon all!

    Busy, busy day so I'm just now coming online.

    I'm one that does believe they do have the DNA of who murdered the girls. The police never reveal what was found or what evidence they have nor should they ever do so.

    It's extremely rare for any suspect who has close contact with any victims to come away without leaving something of themselves behind. I don't think this suspect will be the exception either as if he's some mastermind brainiac. Imo, he's not by a longshot. He's just been lucky like many suspects have in many unsolved cases until their luck runs out.

    Imo, this was all done very quickly including his horrendous evil acts he perpetrated against them to him leaving quickly afterwards.

    All below are my opinions only.

    This guy matches the FBI profile better than other possible POIs in the past.

    The sketch resembles him.

    The voice may peek their interest when compared.

    LE may know both cases are sexually motivated crimes. Imo, both are for the same motive.

    LE has talked with witnesses again, and something they've told them is peeking their interest in him.

    He kidnapped, brutalized, raped, and would have murdered another child if police officers hadn't saved her life.

    His SM tracks may have things in them that causes concern for LE to suspect him.

    What he may have done to the girls may have similarities to the one he kidnapped, and would have murdered.

    Kidnapped victim is also a minor like A & L.

    I could go on, and one, but I'll stop for now.

    This is the way I look at it when it comes to linking him with the possible murders of these two precious young girls or not:

    I have no doubt the police will hold a PC to tell the public if he is the suspect or not. It's taken years thus far for justice to come so I'm willing to patiently wait. Real life crime questions are never answered as quickly as we would like.

    Until LE holds a PC to let us know one way or the other it gives me no reason not to hope that this case may be solved soon. It certainly isn't unheard of when a suspect is arrested for another offense it also winds up solving other unsolved cases.

    I will wait, and see what happens while continuing to pray justice is very near for A&L, and their families.

    Jmho
     
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    Oh @LunaticFringe , you've made my day :D
     
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    In the story the Illustrated man's tattoos predict future events and murders. Tattoos of women's faces who were victims.

    Illistrated man.jpg
     
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