Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #135

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  1. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    All true.
    MOO the message boards continuing to buzz about DN was the reason for the second statement in February.
    MOO LE provided the "not of interest at this time" right after CO visit.
    RL also continued to get web buzz after it was apparent he was not POI for the murders.
     
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  2. MistyWaters

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    It seems LE was rather vague even in Jan/2018, five months later. This was what kept some people going for months, convinced he was the killer but maybe LE was dealing with earlier charges first. So if that’s to be compared, we may not learn anything more about JBC for awhile yet. LE can take their time, JBC’s not going anywhere either. For all we know there’s other POIs who are equally high on the list of possibilities who are being investigated right now as well.

    Jan/2018
    Person of interest in Delphi homicide heading back to Indiana on unrelated warrant
    “Police have not formally connected Nations to the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Feb. 2017, but he gained national attention when detectives with the Indiana State Police traveled to interview him in connection with the Carroll County killings….

    …..Detectives later said they have no information that specifically includes or excludesNations as a suspect….”
     
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  3. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    This is from the article I posted:

    Indiana State Police (ISP) said earlier they have no information to "specifically include or exclude" Nations as the suspect in the killings of Abby and Libby. The state police announced the lack of conclusive findings to date in a news release Oct. 3, following the conclusion of a visit to Colorado by two ISP detectives.

    The information that they weren't particularly interested him at this time came on February 14th, 2018.
     
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    That is my worry as well. I hope that LE is holding back all sorts of info, but I fear they don't have much more. Maybe the crime scene was interesting, but is there anything to pin it on somebody? I don't follow all that many cases, but Mollie Tibbetts is what introduced me to Websleuths and I don't think there is any DNA at her outside crime scene. I am in awe of the sketch drawn by witnesses on the trail . *Maybe* I could remember I passed a man and I might remember a detail or two, but to draw his face? If BG was unassuming on the trail and unseen on the bridge and did not leave DNA....I get so discouraged.
     
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  6. SMK777

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    It’s really a shame there wasn’t something with BG as there was in the Mollie Tibbetts case (the video surveillance of the killer’s car circling her on the day she vanished).

    That was the break for that case — and sadly after 4 years we know all too well that Libby’s video was not. :(
     
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    Yep. I wonder if the lone person in front is male or female.
     
  9. Boxer

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    Ok. I dropped interest in him on October as MOO it seemed apparent to me investigators would never say that they had no specific information to include him, if they did in fact have any evidence.
     
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    Food for thought.
     
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    I see the statements dished out by LE "community will be shocked" etc..as LE putting out bait...to troll for reactions by those under surveillance and suspicion. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, if a second person knows the identity due to personal relationship or dealings with BG....then the bait is for them too...as pressure to give that person up mounts. BG would eliminate anyone who he though might turn them in....if it got to that point.
     
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    First time posting but have followed this case for the last few years. Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else but I wasn't able to locate anything but I had a question about something the Sheriff mentioned in a Q&A I read on this site County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers | Carroll County Comet

    In one of the questions he mentions that the searchers likely did not know what they had come upon when the girls were discovered. Why do you think that is? How could they have come across 2 murder victims but not have known they had come across 2 murder victims? Or did I misunderstand his response?

    Here is the exact Q&A from that article:
    Q. In the public domain there have been descriptions of the crime scene, descriptions of items found and the positioning of the bodies. Do you feel there was an excessive number of persons present once it was determined to be a crime scene?

    A. Once secured by law enforcement as a crime scene, no. I would surmise that searchers did not immediately know what they had come upon.
     
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    The searchers were looking for two missing girls, not two killed girls. I think he meant that people were expecting to find the girls alive, not murdered.

    jmo
     
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    Yes, that’s an important point. When LE provide public statements their intent is to prompt a reaction from the suspect and/or someone who has information to assist in his identification.

    Instead the general public might think LE is sharing information ridden with clues as to the identity of the killer. But that only happens in movies and TV shows. Then the script has already been written to include an ending.

    JMO
     
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    Indeed this odd response has been discussed previously. I take it to mean the searchers didn’t recognize the girls were victims of murder when their bodies were initially sighted.

    With an organized search, often the searchers are instructed to contact the search command leader immediately so this may’ve occurred at a distance.
     
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    Welcome :D
    I believe it indicates that when the girls were first spotted, it was assumed that they were alive but dehydrated, cold, weak, perhaps injured with broken legs from a fall, etc.

    OR even if it appeared they were not alive, they may have assumed they had succumbed to hypothermia or perhaps even a bear attack.

    It apparently took closer inspection to realize the girls had in fact been murder victims.
     
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    It is hard to write any sort of profile because of what is not known in this case. But I look at the video and see a much different man. I see a man who at least looks like he is over the age of 50 at the time of the crime.

    I think a lot of what I do because of Abby and Libby's reaction to this man. Without that phone video/audio it would be hard to come up with any sort of profile(my opinion). It is important to remember that Abby and Libby were young teenage girls in junior high. I think at some point the girls were close enough to see the man, but never interacted. For example, I do not think the bridge guy or the girls talked to each other before he abducted them at the end of the bridge. I think what scared Abby and Libby was the way the man looked. I know people say that the killer may have been stalking them out on the Monon High Bridge trail, but if you consider the amount of time Abby and Libby were on the bridge and the pictures, especially the one of Abby looking back down the bridge, it does not look like anyone was near them.

    I think it was the man's physical appearance that scared them. This leads to a discussion of what is a normal physical appearance, and I cannot explain that. What is a "normal" physical appearance to you? What is a "normal" physical appearance to Abby and Libby?

    This is why if someone handed me a picture of any of the persons of interest in this case so far, I would be shaking my head. I would be surprised if it was any of the people considered a person of interest in this case so far. It just does not seem like any of them is the man police are looking for.
     
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    This is exactly what always bothered me about the “young bridge guy” sketch. He looks about 18 and has the boyish good looks of a model. When I was 14, I would have seen him coming down the bridge and said, Look, that gorgeous boy is coming to flirt with us!

    It was the grandpa-aged-trucker look that looked menacing, unnatural. Far too old to flirt. So what does he want?
     
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    DN looked like a kid compared to BG.
     
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    What stands out as abnormal to me is the way he is walking like "on a mission" across a bridge like that. Not taking in the view, not taking pictures, not seeming to be enjoying himself or even nervous. Just coming at them with his head down. Totally strange demeanor.
     
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