Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #92

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

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    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.


    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

    Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

    4) If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.
     
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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

    We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
    If you want someone to PM you then what you do is you PRIVATE MESSAGE THEM FIRST and ask them whatever.

    You do not stop the whole discussion and ask someone to PM you.

    We will be giving long time-outs to anyone who says they have the information they can only share in PM's or words to that effect.

    We call that "baiting" and it makes me crazy. It is so frustrating to try and get things under control when someone recklessly posts a cryptic post creating a frenzy of posts asking to be PM'd.
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    ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation
    "On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge.

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    Delphi homicide suspect
    On Wednesday, February 15th, law enforcement officers distributed a photograph of a person observed on the Delphi Historic Trail. The photograph appears to depict a white male wearing blue jeans, a blue coat/jacket, and a hoodie. During the course of the investigation, preliminary evidence has led investigators to believe the person, in the distributed photograph, is a suspect in the investigation of the homicides of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

    Additionally, investigators have released an updated voice recording and video of the suspect not previously released that was extracted from Liberty “Libby” German’s cell phone."

    LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect
     
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    Jumping off this post to remind everyone that you need to call or email the police if you think you have a tip or have discovered a person who matches the sketch or sketches. DO NOT post what you think you have found here on the forum.

    Take any and all sleuthing of non-POIs to your private conversations and DO NOT mention them here. It is a major TOS violation to sleuth non-POIs on the forum. It's even worse if you are implicating a minor child in your posts. And baiting is against our rules, so DO NOT hint that you have uncovered information that you can't share openly here.

    If you think you know something, call the police.
     
  6. CrimeDawg123

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    April 22 Press Conference transcript:

    <news announcer>
    Doug Carter and he has taken the stand. We'll take a listen in.

    <audio cuts in to Superintendent Carter>
    ... the Delphi community how grateful I am you inspire people you don't even understand and you don't even understand why. Information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County, the FBI, the Indiana State Police and countless other agencies. This community surrounded us some twenty six months ago and you did everything you could to support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls. Gosh I'll never forget it. After you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will.

    We're seeking the public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to 5:00 on February 14th 2017. If you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building.

    We are releasing additional portions of the audio recorded from that day. Please keep in mind the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is not two different people speaking. Please listen to it very, very carefully. We are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone. This video has never before been previously released. The video shows a suspect walking on the bridge. When you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk. Watch the mannerisms as he walks. Do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know? Remember he is walking on a former railroad bridge. Because of the deteriorated condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties.

    During the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary as of today. The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi. Currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than its true age.

    Directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. For more than two years you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have. We likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

    The question to you: what will those closest to you think of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls, two children? Only a coward would do such a thing.

    We are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know because how different you are since the murders. We try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to to two chil to two children. I recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you that how you left them in that woods is not, is not what they are experiencing today.

    The family. I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why. The family found out about this about this information this morning. I just want the family to know that when I take my last breath on this earth I'll be thinking of them. There's going to be a tremendous amount of <unintelligble> I know that. I know that. Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning. That I can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop.

    -- Other officer ..
    I just unveiled the person that we believe responsible for the murder of these two little girls so I invite media to take a look at that now. Kim.

    We're also going to show you a video not previously released that superintendent spoke to and also the audio that's additional to what's been previously released. It's only a slight change in it. So give Sergeant Riley just a second as he gets that up and ready.
    <plays audio>
    Stand by for the video please. There is no sound of the video.
    <plays video> As Superintendent Carter mentioned. He is on the railway bridge. You have to take different steps to get to it. This information later this afternoon will be on the state police website. For the community that's here we have 100 copies of the news release. If you put in that URL you'll be able to get to that site to play it. And we also have that same release for you in the media and the rest of the state we'll get that released in about 15 minutes. So we appreciate those of you that came here. This concludes our announcement. Thank you for your time patience and courtesy.
    <end>

     
  7. Harmony 2

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    Admin note: Be sure to read the parameters for posting laid out in post #1 and 2 by Tricia.
     
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    The new sketch...
    • Was drawn two years ago 2/17/17, three days after the girls were found
    • Is of the unidentified killer
    • Is based on the description of a witness
    • Was drawn based on how the witness described the suspect using a facial identification reference sheet
    • Was drawn by a different artist than the one who drew the first sketch
    Officials said the new image came about after some bit of new information that had been "continuously reviewed and examined."

    Authorities said the image "more accurately" depicted the face of the suspect from video recorded on German's cell phone while she and Abigail were on the High Bridge.

    'New' Delphi suspect sketch was drawn days after murders of 2 Indiana girls, artist says
     
  10. tmar

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    There is an old barn nearby, across the shallow water from where the girls were found.
    Was evidence found in this barn pointing to BG having been there: tools, change of clothing etc?
    MOO.
     
  11. insearchoflight

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    Question for those who think LE knows who BG is.

    If they have enough evidence to firmly believe who he is, why not arrest and charge him with murder? Why hold a press conference?

    Help me understand your thinking. To me, the presser was basically stating a profile of who BG could be and starting over from scratch. “Just getting started”.

    I’m completely dumbfounded as to why the sudden switch to a completely different sketch. They said the two sketches were not the same person.
     
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    A new thread and if I go to bed it will have 30 new pages or more. Why did I not take that Evelyn Wood Speed Reading course in high school?
     
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    I think he was telling that there’s a book called The Shack, too. The movie is based off a book from 2007.

    I think it was along these lines: "I recently watched a movie called The Shack (there's also a book) that talks so well about evil, about death and about eternity. To the murderer, I believe you have a little bit of conscious left."
     
  14. apples12

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    Someone asked about the significance of the killing on Valentine's Day. I absolutely believe that it is significant and relates to the suspect having a major loss. Probably a break up.
     
  15. krkrjx

    krkrjx The answer is blowin' in the wind.

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    Could LE be expecting some new or corroborating information in two weeks? Possibly results of some kind of testing? I do believe the "give them two weeks" statement could mean they expect something to happen during that time frame.
     
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    Can you please bring the transcript over from post #9 in the last thread? @Harmony 2
     
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    They’ve got 1 shot to get the case to trial and win. I think they’re missing some piece to the puzzle that will convict beyond a shadow of a doubt. JMO
     
  18. apples12

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    I am completely convinced LE knows who, and that the families know that an arrest of someone is imminent, even though the families do not know who. I believe they are giving him an opportunity to confess. I think he will. The suspect knows the jig is up. Just getting started means they are starting the process of gathering evidence toward prosecution. The new sketch is most likely the result of some close family member or therapist of the suspect providing additional evidence. MOO
     
  19. MistyWaters

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    Oddly, I’m feeling like this case might’ve come full circle. Because the suspect is now said to be much younger, IMO there’s a far greater likelihood that one or both of the girls knew him personally especially if he was as young as 16 in 2017. Many here have speculated the timing of the PC coincided with a college or university student home in Delphi for Easter. LE have already indicated the murders may have been targeted.

    I can’t help but be reminded most of the first early theories involved a younger male who’s interests were maybe thwarted by either of the two. But upon the release of the first sketch of the older guy that quickly changed. But here we are again, age range of 18 or more (40), might look younger.
     
  20. gregjrichards

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    I wonder if the book or DVD of The Shack are available in the local Delphi public library and if any young males have borrowed them.
     
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