Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #33

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  1. KayElJay

    KayElJay Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Dear Websleuths Members,

    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

    Please take a moment to read our rules
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

    If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

    Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

    Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

    Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com

    PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.







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    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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  3. tlcya

    tlcya Well-Known Member

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County SheriffÂ’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
    Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

    Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
     
  4. tlcya

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    ADMIN NOTE: Do NOT post photos of random individuals in a side by side fashion to compare with unidentified suspect. You may be sleuthing someone ten ways to Sunday but do NOT post about it here. Until there is a named suspect to sleuth it is against TOS.

    If you feel you have a tip by all means phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

    Posts that are outside the rules are subject to removal without warning or explanation. Members who continue to post against the rules are subject to a loss of posting privileges.

    Please continue discussing while being mindful of the rules which can always be found linked in my signature.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE: Because so many members were brand new, we, the owner and staff, have been very patient with you. We thought you deserved some time to learn the ropes. Well, you've had almost two weeks to figure out how we roll here. If you haven't bothered to read the Rules, especially Etiquette and Information, then shame on ya.

    Going forward, we will issue Time Outs of 24 hours or longer. No excuses, no questions asked. Consider this a fair warning.

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  6. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

    Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

    Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com
     
  7. tlcya

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    As of Today's date there are no NAMED POIs or suspects. There is a suspect who is unidentified and is the subject in the images taken from Liberty German's phone.

    That unidentified male is being referred to here as BG (bridge guy).

    T
     
  8. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

    *Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

    *This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

    *In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
    it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

    * R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

    If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

    To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

    Thank you,
    Tricia






     
  9. suspicious

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    How is everyone seeing that BG is young? You cannot tell imo. RL has very good skin and does not look 77.

    The one thing that has always made me think BG is older are his bowed legs.

    Jmoo


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  10. MIKAYOYO

    MIKAYOYO What?

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    I honestly don't have any thoughts of RL being BG. I don't know! But I go by what I hear from LE. And right now LE is making me think RL is somehow involved. Whether it be indirectly or directly, I don't know but I can't ignore it. Moo
     
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    Definitely they are searching there for something specific and it may be something RL doesn't know anything about. He had called LE to his property in 2014 because someone was in one of his out buildings. They fled before LE arrived. But why lock him up to search? They could have done the same search with him there. I know he violated probation. But I think the timing all went down in an orchestrated manner to get him off the property for the search.
     
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    Its strange that RL is being held without bail for a DUI probation violation. I know that LE has used this tactic in other cases to hold a POI while they wait for DNA results etc in cases. IMO, I think that is exactly why RL is suddenly arrested for a non related matter...
     
  13. margarita25

    margarita25 Jessica Ridgeway. Never Forgotten.

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    This is going to sound so weird, but ever since RL's arrest I keep hearing in my head the end of just about every Scooby-Doo episode where the bad guy says "and if it wasn't for those meddling kids...")
     
  14. Thyme

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    You're a nutter! ;)

    What is with this number 32 thing? Looked it up and it's a guardian angel number of sorts. Obviously there were none about.

    I have also been wondering...do all men in Indiana look similar. Just thinking about all the speculations on different men that could have been involved here since back at the start and they all look similar.
     
  15. Confusion

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    I can't tell for sure how old BG is, but his face does look a lot thinner than RL's does to me. After seeing RL in the videos wearing similar clothes (although they were different colors), I keep wondering if BG was dressed like that, in clothes that looked big on him and made him look heavier, so anyone who saw him out there might think he was RL. I haven't seen anything suggesting that RL spent time on the bridge, but nobody would be suspicious if they thought they saw him wandering around on his own land.

    I also don't find it odd that RL was advised not to talk. He's in for a probation violation, which probably means he isn't supposed to drink. If part of his alibi is that he was drinking, driving, or doing something else he shouldn't, it would hurt his current case if he talked about it.
    MOO
     
  16. MIKAYOYO

    MIKAYOYO What?

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    I agree. And I honestly don't feel bad about it. I remember the Dylan Redwine case where his dad wasn't named poi but we were allowed to sleuth him. It took years but he was finally named poi. All things pointed to him.

    If RL is cleared then we move on. Moo
     
  17. Thyme

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    I understand that the property they searched across from RL"s on the 10th. is empty is this correct? I mentioned earlier that they may have possibly found something there which may have triggered this search.

    The vehicle they towed away is that the same truck that was parked at that property? If so does it belong to RL? Perhaps someone else just parks it there. TIA
     
  18. Coquette

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    Yes, I agree. I have always been of the opinion that BG was an older man and IMO, RL has the same postural tendencies as BG.
     
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    Its an automatic 15 day hold for the probation violation i do believe...
     
  20. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    I wonder who made this call to LE in August 2010:

    from:
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s/Police_Calls.html+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

    Curious that they were unable to locate anyone but it was determined to be "false reporting" :waitasec:
     
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    I can't help it but at this point I feel terrible for him and I just can't see much similarity between this situation and the one with that monster of a father poor Dylan had. I feel like RL's life is being ruined. It's hard to shake something like this even when you are cleared. I sincerely hope LE has a damn good reason for this and that if there is no connection found they very publicly and definitively state that.
     
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