Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #46

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  1. KayElJay

    KayElJay Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    NEW RULE: IF YOU WANT TO POST ABOUT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER YOU MUST GET PERMISSION FIRST. PLEASE SEND A PRIVATE MESSAGE TO ANY OF THE MODERATORS. BE PATIENT BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME TO GET BACK WITH YOU



    Dear Websleuths Members,

    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

    Please take a moment to read our rules
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

    If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

    Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

    Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

    Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com

    PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.







    MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trai
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    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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  3. tlcya

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
    Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

    Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
     
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    ADMIN NOTE: Do NOT post photos of random individuals in a side by side fashion to compare with unidentified suspect. You may be sleuthing someone ten ways to Sunday but do NOT post about it here. Until there is a named suspect to sleuth it is against TOS.

    [ETA = in light of the recent search warrant executed at the property and residence of RL the decision has been made to allow limited sleuthing of RL. You may sleuth what is public record, including past criminal or legal history. You may discuss whether or not you feel his voice or appearance match the evidence shared by LE. You may NOT sleuth his family members, friends, acquaintances, etc. Please keep it on the rails.]

    If you feel you have a tip by all means phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

    Posts that are outside the rules are subject to removal without warning or explanation. Members who continue to post against the rules are subject to a loss of posting privileges.

    Please continue discussing while being mindful of the rules which can always be found linked in my signature.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE: Because so many members were brand new, we, the owner and staff, have been very patient with you. We thought you deserved some time to learn the ropes. Well, you've had almost two weeks to figure out how we roll here. If you haven't bothered to read the Rules, especially Etiquette and Information, then shame on ya.

    Going forward, we will issue Time Outs of 24 hours or longer. No excuses, no questions asked. Consider this a fair warning.

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

    Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

    Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


    Here is a link for all the videos https://youtu.be/AS24hYv_X8Q?list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws



    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com
     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

    *Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

    *This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

    *In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
    it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

    * R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

    If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

    To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

    Thank you,
    Tricia






     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Abby and Libby #46 is now open
     
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    Today is the Day!
     
  10. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    I have been of the belief that if there was dna it was not viable or there was no dna or suspect is not in database. Jmo

    I'm thinking no dna. Jmo
     
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    BG's nose is very distinctive. It is referred to as a bulbous nose. (It has also been called potato nose on these threads). I hope the nose can play a role in identifying him.
     
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    JMO I believe Abby and Libby were killed very quickly after the video of BG. IF it happened that fast I would think that there is some usable DNA. My guess is that the unsub isn't in the database. I do believe the BG is a felon, someone recently released from prison, but also someone that had been incarcerated before DNA testing was required by law.
     
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    You'd think so but what if he's wearing some type of mask.
     
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    Looking at videos ppl made of the bridge and where they think the girls may have been they all say the girls would have been seen...yet in ever video I have watched the person taking the video is the only person there on the trail the entire time.
    Seems a very desolate place especially in the winter.
     
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    It is a rather distinctive feature. It was the first thing I noticed when the picture first came out.
     
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    Good point. This is what I thought for a long time. Then, looking at one of the side-by-side comparisons (with someone who is not necessarily BG, but could possibly be, that is, RL) I noticed a little white spot on the end of the nose, which I had thought was part of the bulbousness. When I look at the nose as being a bit shorter and ending just above the small white spot, and the white spot as the beginning of a mustache, I see the face very differently. The brownish "mustache" can be BG's mouth. So, I'm no longer convinced of the bulbous nose. I'm with the folks who are only convinced of the blue jeans at the moment. I'm not arguing that BG is RL, just that I can see that as a possibility. This photo is truly a Rorschach test. MOO.
     
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    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    WASHINGTON — — The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way Monday for police around the country to take DNA samples from people arrested for serious crimes, a major step toward expanding a national database that will match new suspects to evidence from old crime scenes.

    The decision means that a mouth swab for DNA is likely to become as common as taking fingerprints and a mug shot for those who are taken to a police station under arrest.

    U.S. Supreme Court OKs taking DNA from those arrested
    In wake of 5-4 vote, many Cook County inmates will be swabbed for samples

    June 03, 2013|By David G. Savage and Jason Meisner, Tribune Newspapers


    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...20130604_1_dna-samples-dna-testing-mouth-swab
     
  18. Bird of Paradise

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    Agree and I think this is an important point. I've seen the area referred by some here as a "park"...don't know how others view a park, but from where I come from, this is not a park.
     
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    I'm not sure if he followed them across the bridge. He could have started at the S side, passed them and could see that no one else was coming and turned around. IMO he was doing something that made Libby start filming him. I will be so glad when LE makes an arrest, they have plenty of time to build their case and I think that is what they are doing.
     
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    Marking my spot.
     
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    So if they have DNA, did they test RL when he was arrested? They either don't have it and said they did, or I'd think they'd have mentioned whether or not RL matched or not or they do and for some reason either didn't test RL against it or are keeping quiet about the results for some reason.

    I think RL's arrest and the searching was something that needed to be done, so I'm glad they did it, so we can at least know how much of his property was involved, but I don't think RL is the guy or we'd know more by now. I think they're trying to cover bases...which is commendable considering some police forces don't, but I also think they're at a dead end.

    I hate they can't share more with the public that might be able to help, but I understand they have to weigh the costs.
     
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