IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #62

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I have tried for 30 mintues to redo the side by side and get the eyes at the same level and the mouth at the same level without "stretching" the second photo. :pullhair: I cannot figure out how to do such without making the photo look like his mugshot was in a carnival... :pullhair:

Perhaps someone else has skills to make the side by side with eyes and mouth at same level without stretching out the photo.. Thanks to OP for doing the side by side, and apologies for wanting to do one that is exactly the same with eyes/mouth to view
Who are we talking about here?
 
I personally did transcription of presser, please excuse any errors
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"Good morning, thank you for showing up. Basically as you all know, we have sent you out an email with two photos in it. We would like you to put both those photos in those when you talk about this case. We want the original photo that was put out earlier and the composite photo. So please, when you are putting out your information we would like all that on there please. Thanks. Introducing a few people that are standing behind me before we get started here. We've got Lt. Tom McKee (sp?) from the Indiana State Police Post LaFayette. Tony Liggett from Carrole County Sherriff Department ,J??? Hammond from the Carrol County Sherriff's department. Jerry Hollman from the Indiana State Police Detective out of the Detectives out of the Layfayette Police department, and Tony Slocum, he's Public Information Officer out of the Peru post.

We're here to talk a little bit about the release that was put out so I'm just basically gonna open it up to questions. I will tell you now, most the information that you have in the news release is about all that can be released at this time, so there's not gonna be anything else real, um exciting that is going to be put out there but I will be happy to take questions and we'll go from there.

Q. How did you have an artist develp this sketch and is the sketch made with the help of eye witness or eye witnesses, or was it made solely from the other picture we have seen?

A. Basically, I can't really answer that question completely. I can tell you it came from the investigations itself, from officers looking into things, to tips and leads that have come in, that people have come forward, we got information from there, and the composite was put together with that information.

Q. Why release the sketch released just today? Did you just get finished, have other people seen this, including the family, now just the right time to release it?

A. This picture was release at this time because we felt it needed to come out, the information needs to be put forward, and we wanted to get it out there so people can look at it, and it has, it has taken a while to get this thing put together and that's why it's taken so long to get the picture out.

Q. In the realm of evidence and leads that you have, how big is this photograph, how much are you counting on this artist's sketch, or photograph of the sketch?

A. It's like anything else like this in a case. Anytime we get something new, or some information out there, we always feel it's important to the case. We feel this is very important because it actually give a better view of the perp, person in the picture that you see down below. It shows a little more facial features, it gives you a little more information on what we're looking at, who the suspect might be, and that's why we feel it's very important that this picture is out there at this time.

Q. What's so striking about this? What is the thing that investigators look at and say “Wow, that's the thing that is gonna make the thing that is gonna make this guy stand out from all the other men walking around.”

A. It's basically just a clearer picture of his face compared to what you saw down below. We've got the information out there, the pictures out there, now we've got this composite that we feel that is, we feel that is the same person, and we just want to make sure that people realize that picture is this person (ED: he's pointing BG, then to sketch) We're hoping that they can get that picture and take that picture and get us some information on a possible suspect.

Q. How confident are you that this is accurate?

A. We're pretty confident. The information was received, with that information we've been able to put that together. Again, this thing wasn't drawn up overnight. We've been working with this picture and with the suspects that we, excuse me, I mean the witnesses that we have, that we put this together so it's not something that we did overnight. This has taken awhile to put this together.

Q. Those witness, did they see him in the area, or did they call the tip line with that information?

A. I really can't go into that 'cause we don't want to compromise the case itself.

Q. Well, when you say witnesses, so multiple people that helped you out?

A. There were people that were able to help us out with this, yes.

Q. A lot of people will say that you guys are releasing this because you are running out of leads, that's not true in this case, right?

A. No, we are still getting anywhere from 5-10 tips a day. We are still getting emails, so it's not something that... this case is not dried up, it's not a cold case, this case if still very active.

Q. If you had not received the tips, we might not have seen this picture in the first place, right?

A. A possibility, yes

Q. What is the attitude of the troops working on this? The fact that there is a composite that is infinitely clearer than the picture that we have been looking at. What is the feeling among the investigators that have been grinding away and working on this for months.

A. Well, anytime that you get new information officers are always excited about that information. It kinda builds up their confidence on the case itself. With this information here, we're really, you know,
it really excites them, lets them know that people are still caring about this case and people are still interested. And we can get somebody to come forward with more information, if we can get a name, or at least a location of this subject, that would be great, but officers have never really gotten down on this case. I think they've, they are flustrated maybe, but as far as solving this thing, it's something that's never, we've always thought like we would solve this case.

Q. Who made sketch??? specific in here??? have you talked with those witnesses to come up with an exact look of this person?

A. It's basically just been a cumulation of all the departments have come together and we have put this composite together.

A. In the release you talk about not to focus on the hat, it may not be accurate. Can you talk a little about that so people at home …?

A. As you can see, the original picture below it appears that he's got a hat on and it's got the flaps down
and kind of down over the face. We want to make sure you focus on the picture. We want to make sure the face is what you are looking at and not worry about the hat even though the hat does is not quite the same as in the picture. We want the facial features, is what we want you to look at.

Q. If someone does recognizes this person, what should they do?

A. They can call the tip line, or they can email us.

Q. In the release you mentioned some things exactly such as the hair color, can you talk about this at this time

A. Basically, the hair color is a reddish brown. She was, the person was not clear on the color of the eyes, but sh.., the person said it was definitely not blue. She was very obvious..., the person was very obviously not blue eyes, but they did mention that they were not clear on what color it was.

Q. So there are people out there who are sure that are sure they saw this guy walking around this day and they helped you out, it that?

A. Pretty much that's what it is, yes.

Q. Did those people come forward right away, or did it take a little time for those people to come forward.

A. It's been a while. It took a little bit, people are scared, they are afraid to be recognized by the subject, so, it just takes a while for these things to happened. Like I said, the picture did not come overnight, we've been working on this for a while

Q. To you think this guy is still around the Delphi area, or you think he's in a different state?

A. That's what I hope this is all about.

Q. We've heard many times that somebody out there probably knows something, and is really driving home the point today to make sure you call no mater how little it may be, especially if you recognize this person.?

A. That's what we want, we want people to call in and give us information. Anybody that can give us an identification on this subject, or knows where the subject might be, that would be great, we would appreciate any information that we can get.

Q. So still have that voice, and you've posted that picture, and you have this other. So really three pieces of solid evidence that people can work with so that's gotta be a big development for the community today.

A. That is correct. We are really excited about the information being put out there. The dectectives and all the investigators that are involved are just basically waiting for the phones to ring.

Q. Will any more information or video be released from the cell phone that Libby had that day?

A. There's....I'm not going to comment on that, I don't wanna compromise that case.

Q. Just to be clear, do you know this man's identity and you are not releasing it, or you don't know who this guys identity?

A. We want to know who he is.

Q. Do you know.???.county and I know you said that....??? somebody around this area knows who he is and will possibly call in... (Cannot understand)

A. We are hoping somebody knows from wherever, we don't care where it's from, we just want to be able to find somebody that can identify this subject and can give us information on him.

Q. Any search warrants that are going to come now that you have released this person's picture, anything else developing after you put this picture out today?

A. We gotta just do the investigation at that point in time and see what happens

Anything else..............

THE END"

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Thank you Bently!

It's is obvious IMO that LE has no idea who BG is at this time. In other words there is nobody on their radar that they're hoping this sketch will confirm.

Re: the hat, I understand they don't want people to focus on the hat. But IMO the Oliver Twist hat is completely different from an Elmer Fudd as I referred to it in earlier threads. IMO they should have put the closest likeness of the hat, imo. Not dogging LE, they have their reasons unknown to us for doing what they do. I am grateful they have put something out. The expression of the sketch shows complacency to me, not sure if that's the best word.

I've got nothing else to add. Hugs and love to all of you out there following. I am soo frustrated beyond words, as we all are.
 
"Anyone with information about the murders or the person depicted in the composite sketch should call the established tip line at 844-459-5786 and can remain anonymous. Tips may also be emailed to abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com.

A reward in excess of $230,000 is offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for these murders."

From today's bulletin. BBM​
 
Geez, I missed that detail. I really wish they didn't use a cap like that, they must really think it is though, otherwise, why not use a ball cap, which would be much more common????

Honestly we shouldn't be going by the hoodie, hat, or facial hair anyway as he can easily change all of those. Harder to change the shape of your eyes and nose and head.
 
Curious about this possible match, I've been looking online at what percentage of "flashers" (aka indecent exposure) escalate to murder. And from the early body language and words used by LE, most likely a gruesome murder at that. I'm not finding much to support the theory that flashers escalate to murderers. Not that it has never happened, but it appears fairly rare.

My :twocents:
And the lips on the two images are very different as well as the nose. IMO

I think you are understand what I mean about lining up exactly the eyes and the bottom of the mouth for comparison overall! Thanks!

Getting closer!

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The witness must be pretty reliable for LE to release a sketch based on their description. They also must have really stuck out them because I don't think I'd be able to give details like that about someone I came across while hiking unless I had a reason to.

Forgive me for asking a question that's probably already known but is there DNA in this case to compare to? I'm wondering if the flasher's DNA was taken
 
Does anyone recall, or know where it was posted, somewhere in the beginning...mention of the public remembering a man walking or seeking a blue backpack that may have been tossed? I may not be remembering this correctly and will keep looking.


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Thanks for the reply...yes, no color of the backpack was specified.

"More specifically, police want to know if anyone recalls a hitchhiker along the Hoosier Heartland Highway, a person walking along a county road or highway, Riley said..."We want to look at any aspect of what somebody might have seen," Riley said, adding that if someone saw a person throwing away a backpack, they'd be interested in tracking that down, too."

Posted/Updated February 22

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...ek-later-no-arrests-delphi-killings/98147050/


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"Abby's mother, Anna Williams, told ABC News today the new sketch "means we are just one step closer."

"Nothing you do now is going to bring the girls back. But the person who did this is going to have to pay the consequences for that," she said. "We really truly hope that this is the piece of the puzzle that we need to bring justice to our girls."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-hopes-...k-unsolved-killings-indiana/story?id=48678149
 
Different shape face, eyebrows, nose and eyes to me. Between these two.

One of the things that does make me pause...

In one of the original pics of BG released I don't see a hat, I see a hair hump in the back/crown of the head (some think its a button etc). This guy has a hair hump. But to me the facial features are not the same.

ETA - If I saw this guy I wouldn't call him in, I shape of face is way off to me.

I agree I do not see the similarity between these two
 
Unless the witness stood and talked to this guy for a while, I don't see how she/he could possibly be able to give an accurate description especially after all this time. Maybe it was clear his eyes weren't blue but how can one possibly give correct dimensions as to how wide someone's nose is or how thin someone's lips are?
 
I wpuld assume it would be. Is there a definitive answer to the question if DNA and what type of DNA was recovered at the crime scene? Some people are non secretors as well and a barrier may have been used as well. If someone is an experienced predator they may be savvy enough to ensure no DNA was left. Just my opinion

Ah didn't see your post before submitting mine asking the same
 
"Pretty much" means "it took a lot to get to that point, but when it is all said and done, yep, you're right. There are people who saw BG and are giving information."
 
DELPHI, Ind. (AP) - A sketch authorities released Monday of a man considered the main suspect in the February killings of two northern Indiana girls was drawn in part from descriptions provided by someone who saw the suspect around the time the girls were slain, a sheriff said.

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the witness saw the man walking near Delphi, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Indianapolis, but only recently met with an FBI sketch artist to provide facial details for the rendering released by State Police.

Leazenby said he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man, who authorities consider the main suspect in the slayings of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. He said the witness saw the man around the time the girls were killed.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/35903873/witness-aided-in-sketch-of-suspect-in-indiana-teens-deaths

Pretty sure there is a lot more they are not saying. If a witness saw a man walking near there on that day, what is it that makes them so sure the man they saw is the BG/killer? I agree with others that the witness may have had an encounter with him that left DNA or some solid evidence it was the same person. This person may have encountered him before he found the girls, possibly he attempted to grab this person or something like that. :thinking:
 
Pretty sure there is a lot more they are not saying. If a witness saw a man walking near there on that day, what is it that makes them so sure the man they saw is the BG/killer? I agree with others that the witness may have had an encounter with him that left DNA or some solid evidence it was the same person. This person may have encountered him before he found the girls, possibly he attempted to grab this person or something like that. :thinking:

I think he was seen on the trail by the woman that said she saw a man and another couple there.
 
The incidents of the flashers have been news/noteworthy in this case since Day 1. I don't think it's them, otherwise I would anticipate an arrest or at least detainment by now. Moo. Also, the nose is totally different, imo. But kudos to all for sleuthing!
 
Unless the witness stood and talked to this guy for a while, I don't see how she/he could possibly be able to give an accurate description especially after all this time. Maybe it was clear his eyes weren't blue but how can one possibly give correct dimensions as to how wide someone's nose is or how thin someone's lips are?

Maybe the encounter was longer than passing by one another on a hiking trail.
 
I just find it odd that this guy was lagging behind, at such a significant distance from the 2 girls, with his eyes looking down at the pavement. IMO, no abductor would be that trusting of two teen girls not making an attempt to escap


Does anybody feel like me that either this isn't the abductor, or this guy had an accomplice?

Nah, he's just making himself look unassuming and not dangerous until he gets close enough to strike. Makes sense to me. He wants to be able to get close to them, if he comes at them all predator like from 20 yards away they have a ton of time to run. If he looks like some guy walking and not paying attention to them he can get closer.
 
Personal observation/input on identifying someone in a sex crime/flashing situation.

When I was about 20 years old, I had someone cut me off at a driveway in a car. He stopped right at the point so that I could see into the vehicle, and that he was mastur**ting and his pants were off. I ran like heck! But... not before I turned around and wrote down his vehicle number and his license. This was in the early 80's. Anyhoooooo, the point to it is that I did indeed see his face, but was iffy on ID'ing him with a mugshot. My brain went to the visual of him and his junk... then shut down I think.. so I didn't have a good recollection and could have NEVER done an artist rendition.

Thankfully, he had to back outta the drive way after he showed me his stuff, and when he pulled away I got the license.

Again, I could have never ID'd him/given a good description as the flasher without the license plate.

I think our brain focuses on things that are odd or dangerous more than facial features, which is why eye witnesses are not always the best. People who encounter someone that threatens them with a weapon can often describe the weapon far better than the person holding/using it.
 
I really really hope they find him from this sketch! It's awful to think he is still out there getting away with these terrible murders and can commit more crimes.
 
Different shape face, eyebrows, nose and eyes to me. Between these two.

ETA - If I saw this guy I wouldn't call him in, I shape of face is way off to me.

I see differences also. While it is possible that one sketch artist may draw "droopy eyes" or "bulbous nose" and a witness may think, "yeah", close enough", another artist may draw "bulbous nose and droopy eyes" in a slightly different but distinctive manor. What stands out most to me is the bottom lip and the build. Suspect/BG has VERY thin lips according to the pic, and yet, BW has a bigger bottom lip. It is framed by his beard. BW is also very thin, as one described has a runner's type of body. BG is definitely NOT thin. I have found a better pic of BW (flasher guy) showing upper torso for size determination. (He has a pintrest). He may be a flasher, but he simply does not fit the look of BG. I am not sure if I can post his pic. It would definitely rule him out as BG. If allowed I will post the pic.
 
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