Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #63

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  1. Coldpizza

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    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation

    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
    Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    Previous Thread (#61) (#62)

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    Rules Etiquette & Information

    Case map by skibaboo updated with the latest grayhuze crime flow video

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    RULES OF THIS DISCUSSION

    1) There are no named POIs or suspects in this case. A search warrant was served upon the owner of the property (RL) where the girls' bodies were found. RL was taken into custody for an unrelated crime during that time. His statements to press and subsequent arrest for the unrelated matters are all open for discussion.
    a. You may not outright accuse him of the murders but may make comparisons of his physical appearance and demeanor from MSM to those of the unidentified suspect on the bridge.

    b. DO NOT post photos of random individuals to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

    2) IF YOU WANT TO POST ABOUT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER YOU MUST GET PERMISSION FIRST. Please send a PM to a moderator to gain that permission.

    3) Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.


    4) If you feel you have a tip by all means phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.
     
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  3. Coldpizza

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    Police to release ‘important’ new information regarding Delphi murder suspect
    JULY 17, 2017

    DELPHI, Ind. – More than five months after the disappearance of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams, investigators with Indiana State Police say they will release “important” and “significant” information regarding the suspect in the Delphi murder investigation.

    The information is expected to come this morning by 10 a.m.

    Police to release ‘significant’ information regarding Delphi murder investigation


    Sgt. Kim Riley tells CBS4 it will help clarify some of the pictures that have been seen related to the investigation and the man on the bridge.

    Riley says this is the result of information to the tip line and follow-up investigations in the past couple of weeks.

    According to police, there are no arrests at this time, and Riley could not comment as to whether they are close to making an arrest.
     
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    Please keep the discussion limited to today's news. Depending on what is released will determine how long the thread will remain open.

    Fingers crossed.

    Thank you
     
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    [video=twitter;886964390876119040]https://twitter.com/MeredithBarack/status/886964390876119040[/video]

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    http://www.jconline.com/story/news/crime/2017/07/17/new-details-released-delphi-double-homicide-investigation/483717001/
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    Let it be the day!
     
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    This morning googling news a NYTimes article came up quoting Sgt Riley that changes up the details a little bit about the sketch and how it was obtained. It's dated Tuesday 7/18/17. With all due respect to LE, just wanted to show the variations put out since Monday morning.

    1st version: At the press conference Monday morning 7/17/17 Sgt Riley made an apparent slip saying "she" when referring to a witness.
    2nd version: Later on Monday 7/17/17 subsequent news articles via Associated Press quoted Sheriff Leazenby as saying the 'witness saw the man walking near Delphi..only recently met with an FBI sketch artist...he cannot discuss where the witness saw the unidentified man...' http://www.nbc29.com/story/35903873/witness-aided-in-sketch-of-suspect-in-indiana-teens-deaths

    3rd most recent version in italics below:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/delphi-murders-indiana-sketch.html
    Sgt. Riley said in the interview on Tuesday that the sketch of the suspect had been made from information the authorities received from public tips, but he declined to say whether the information came from one or more people or how it was handed over.

    “It came through because of information that we received from persons that were in the area,” around the time the girls went missing, he said. “Either we did not make contact for the first time, or they were afraid to come forward.”

    Sgt. Riley said the sketch artist had started about a month ago to piece together the descriptions, frequently consulting the witness or witnesses to refine the drawing. Investigators also interview people offering descriptions to make sure they are not just trying to get someone into trouble, he said.

    “It takes quite a while to get a sketch put together,” Sgt. Riley said. “We let the person look at the picture and come back a few days later and ask, ‘Do you remember anything else?’”
    Sgt. Riley said that after the release of the sketch, extra personnel were brought on to help with the expected influx of information.
     
  9. BeesInMyBonnet

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    Trying to quote a post from the previous thread.

    her said: Today 06:32 AM
    Originally Posted by iscaremyself
    the new witness saw someone 60miles NW of indianapolis..delphi is 70 miles north and slightly west of indianapolis so by my reconing I'd say 40 miles south/west of delphi..ballpark around attica IN. That is a long way to connect the dots

    Originally Posted by Krwiley60
    The woman witness saw him by the trails. Obviously someone got the mileage wrong.

    Originally Posted by iscaremyself
    no, a news article quoting LE said the description came from someone 70 miles NW of indiana. The woman you mention is different.

    Edit: I posted a slight correction post #798
    How do you get 40?
    70 miles-60 miles is 10 miles, to me that's pretty close to saying Delphi or the outskirts of Delphi.
    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...m/forums/showpost.php?p=13510253&share_type=t


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    The line from the news story reads: "Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby (tohb LEHZ'-ehn-BEE') says the witness saw the man walking around the time 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams were slain near their hometown of Delphi, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Indianapolis."

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...ness-aided-in-sketch-of-suspect-in-2-killings

    It is explaining that Delphi is about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis, not that the witness saw the man in the sketch 60 miles northwest of Delphi.


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    Thanks kizzy, for posting the link and different versions.
     
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    *eta: My post was agreeing with what you said Delphi is the location *
    Missing the point, I was confused about the first post, it still makes no sense. What does Attica have to do with it?
     
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    http://cbs4indy.com/2017/07/19/delphi-murder-suspect-sketch-draws-surge-of-tips-for-police/
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    Whew! When I arrived at the previous (closed) thread this morning and saw Tricia's post about not to discuss Duvall, I was afraid the entire thread had been shut down. I never jump to the end of a closed thread to immediately go to the next thread because I want to read all that I've missed so I was really really glad to see that this is still open. Hoping that today's the day for justice! Also hoping that today's the day that there will be no discussion about hats or anything else that will put this thread in jeopardy.
     
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    [​IMG]Something I noticed about the sketch that I can't get a grasp on just yet.

    There appears to be a lighter colored circle somewhat between his eyes on his forehead. I'm having a hard time trying to describe it. See picture.

    So, I'm wondering why that area is lighter in color that the rest of the area? Could this be from sunglasses? Anyone else with any other thoughts?
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    LOL. He looks like he has a bullseye on him when I circle the spot....LOL

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    I'm hoping they put his picture on the electronic billboards, this would be helpful for people that are not familiar with the case.
     
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    The artist used lighter coloring to denote the raised parts of his face. The glabella, the space between the eyebrows, is raised.
     
  17. Jax49

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    I notice his right eye is strange, different than his left...hopefully that's a tell for someone who knows him.
     
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    I didn't notice the white spot until you mentioned it. :thinking:
    It could be from wearing sunglasses ( although, it was winter) or, a mole was removed and it scared.
     
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    Did LE give an approximate age of suspect?
     
  20. eastcoasterinco

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    Nice catch! I suppose it :could: be nothing, and just the way the artist does shading, but I would venture to guess you're on track with the sunglasses thought.

    I know it was winter but I wear sunglasses all throughout the year, y'know, when it's sunny.

    Then I wonder why, if the crime was even somewhat planned, wouldn't he wear these sunglasses to avoid being recognized.

    I guess it would be difficult to perform a crime with sunglasses on, as they could fall off and give LE a clue.

    We've been discussing how difficult it is to remember faces and details, especially after a long period of time. What are the odds that the witness(es) remembered a tan line from sunglasses?

    It would have to really stand out, like someone who wears sunglasses almost every day while working or spending long periods of time outside.

    Hmm... thinking on this one.



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  21. Jax49

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    No age with this latest update, but some time ago one officer said "middle aged" in an interview. moo
     
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