GUILTY IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 #4

[MaxManning]

With the san clemente burglary, we could ask "why did they go so far into this complex ?" We could say like some have suggested that they could more easily get stuck in there with only 1 escape route out. They chose the road furthest from the exit.

So, it's plausible to suggest that "tree cover" was a factor in the San Clemente burglary. Is Tree Cover > Escape Route Flexibility for a burglar?

 

[MaxManning]

Amazing interactive crime map here.

http://www.wthr.com/category/289562/central-indiana-crime-map

Doesn't seem to have up to the date crime data for november just yet, but even just showing month of october you can get a great feel for how common burglary and car theft are in the five mile radius around Sunnyfield Ct.


You can even filter by specific crime types and set a buffer for a radius around a given address.

 

[FlyerFan28]

Amazing interactive crime map here.

http://www.wthr.com/category/289562/central-indiana-crime-map

Doesn't seem to have up to the date crime data for november just yet, but even just showing month of october you can get a great feel for how common burglary and car theft are in the five mile radius around Sunnyfield Ct.


You can even filter by specific crime types and set a buffer for a radius around a given address.

It's not the safest area of town. Lafayette Square is just up a bit to the NW on 38th and Lafayette Rd. I worked there for a couple years and it was one of the worst malls for crime, with Washington Square and Eastgate right behind it. If you follow any street south to the circle, you'll find more crime. The city is set up into quadrants of sorts, with the Meridian and the Circle (Market Street).

 

[pepelepolecat]

Just catching up and marking my place ...

 

[MaxManning]

If you focus on just burglaries and sexual assault since march and focus in on the Woods At Oak Crossing complex - just SE of sunnyfield ct :

https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...2!3m1!1s0x886b568f7e317419:0x322dc5bcfde56c5c

You can see lots of trees around the outer edges and 3 burglaries in particular happened along those trees, on the same day on 6/5/2015. So again we have multiple burglaries at 3:14, 3:38, 4:50pm.

Roughly a month later there is a rape there at an address along the tree line on the bottom. Not saying they are related, just noted that.

Do a search on that crime map i posted for june, to see the orientation etc. Multiple burglaries at same location in succession on same date is why I see this as a potential link.

EDIT -- In looking at the google maps, the treelines are not up to the apartments, so wouldn't give the same kind of cover as at sunnyfield ct. So it's really more just the multiple burglaries in succession aspect. For the rape however, there is possibility that it was one of those buildings that are directly against the trees.

 

[night train]

I don't do facebook but was able to view a bit of murderer Larry Taylor Jr.'s account.

I believe you can learn a lot about a person by the music they gravitate to.He listed this performer on his facebook page,I think he is from Indiana.

Some of the lyrics further into the somg mention confidential informants and jail.The music video seems to protray a home robbbery.

Watch Over Me
Bamm Bamm
Break Bread Music LLC
Directed By Midwest Money Gang Films

These liars and these snitches

Just a bad kid from the neighborhood
Momma did all the best she could
But she couldn't make it out the neighborhood.

My Daddy s***, I ain't know him

My brother's in the (unintelligable)
I pray to God they find a better way
But if they don't go out and make a play
How the *advertiser censored** the family gonna eat today?



[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0ggEpdGAc[/video]

 

[DexterMorgan]

So they stole how many cars?

I didn't know stealing 20 different cars were still easy.

I thought it was only to easy to steal from the 50s to the 90s.

Come on. The car theft and home invasion detectives need more informants since they don't know what's what. Jmo.

 

[Lilibet]

So they stole how many cars?

I didn't know stealing 20 different cars were still easy.

I thought it was only to easy to steal from the 50s to the 90s.

Come on. The car theft and home invasion detectives need more informants since they don't know what's what. Jmo.

"Snitches get stitches" or worse in the gang (or even the gang wannabe) world. This is what makes the job of LE in gang areas so difficult. I'm learning more than I ever wanted to know about gangs over on the Anna Hernandez murder thread. It's sickening. JMO

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ndez-14-San-Diego-Body-Found-18-November-2015

 

[DexterMorgan]

"Snitches get stitches" or worse in the gang (or even the gang wannabe) world. This is what makes the job of LE in gang areas so difficult. I'm learning more than I ever wanted to know about gangs over on the Anna Hernandez murder thread. It's sickening. JMO

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ndez-14-San-Diego-Body-Found-18-November-2015

Agree. But the neighborhood crack head knows alot more than anyone else. They are usually not affiliated with gangs. But are privy to what's going on in the radius that they patrol.

At least that's how it use to be. Where the neighborhood crack addict was still privy to certain information of the daily workings of the neighborhood.

 

[colette]

So they stole how many cars?

I didn't know stealing 20 different cars were still easy.

I thought it was only to easy to steal from the 50s to the 90s.

Come on. The car theft and home invasion detectives need more informants since they don't know what's what. Jmo.

I don't think it is that hard to steal a car if you already broke into the home and found the keys for the vehicle sitting outside.

 

[al66pine]

Sounds like Indy needs someone who knows CPTED (Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design) to come in. Trees should be trimmed to have branches no lower than 6 feet from the ground. Fences should be see through, bushes trimmed short enough and small enough that no one can hide behind them. Sounds like these neighborhoods could use some more natural surveillance. The problem is in established neighborhoods it's hard to tell people to get rid of their evergreens and wood fences, etc.. As much as people want their privacy it really does help to have open view so neighbors can see anything strange going on (and so can you if you're in the house, or coming home).

^bbm. Thx for your post, leading me to read a bit about CPTED, at wiki and other links. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_prevention_through_environmental_design

W small-ish lot sizes in Blackburn's neighborhood, seems like these ^ principles - for ex, tree placement, fence type, shrubbery trimming - could help neighbors' ability to surveill sketchy stranger behavior at nearby homes. Could help deter crime, or at least ID suspects, thru eyewitness or vid recording, after the fact.

OTOH, w larger lots and/or more rural areas, residents may not necessarily be able to see stranger on foot or in vehicle casing, entering or exiting the home 'next door' which may be 1/4, 1/2, or 1 mi away.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Really? A bag of oranges and bed sheets? Pitiful. :notgood: Surprised they didn't take any toilet paper.

Snipped quote and BBM

I'm guessing the bed sheets were to make it easier to carry their loot.

 

[Lilibet]

I'm guessing the bed sheets were to make it easier to carry their loot.

I agree that the sheets were used to carry their loot. When our home was burglarized, they took our bedspread.
:furious:

 

[bessie]

I'm guessing the bed sheets were to make it easier to carry their loot.

That reminds me about the time years ago when I was driving home late one night, and saw a group of young guys walking on the highway about a mile from my house, lugging a big pillowcase full of something. It was obvious that they were not on their way to the laundromat. I did call the police as soon as I got home, but I don't know if they were caught. Just another example of how reckless young criminals can be. They were walking along a very populated, commercial stretch of highway, where they could be easily spotted by police.

 

[pepelepolecat]

That reminds me about the time years ago when I was driving home late one night, and saw a group of young guys walking on the highway about a mile from my house, lugging a big pillowcase full of something. It was obvious that they were not on their way to the laundromat. I did call the police as soon as I got home, but I don't know if they were caught. Just another example of how reckless young criminals can be. They were walking along a very populated, commercial stretch of highway, where they could be easily spotted by police.

Just think of how scary the world would be if the average criminal had smarts in addition to this kind of daring.

 

[bessie]

San Clemente :
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...2!3m1!1s0x886b4c4d1a66b3e3:0x50c4bc5a45d3685a

Don't know the exact address of the San Clemente burglary, and what I am saying is not groundbreaking, but shows that they possibly chose these locations with tree cover as a factor.

Anyone know the exact address of the san clemente burglary ?

No, only that it was in the 5700 block.

The crime map I've been using to search is at indy.gov. It's virtuallly the same as the map at WTHR. For some reason that one doesn't load well in my browser. Anyway, I was curious to see how many burglaries occurred in the Cottages because the news reported the San Clemente burglary was the sixth in the past month. Turns out there were ten just during the period Nov 1-10. Some are clustered in the same block of different streets. Some are in the same building. There were no sexual assaults.

 

[MaxManning]

No, only that it was in the 5700 block.

The crime map I've been using to search is at indy.gov. It's virtuallly the same as the map at WTHR. For some reason that one doesn't load well in my browser. Anyway, I was curious to see how many burglaries occurred in the Cottages because the news reported the San Clemente burglary was the sixth in the past month. Turns out there were ten just during the period Nov 1-10. Some are clustered in the same block of different streets. Some are in the same building. There were no sexual assaults.

I think that the map on WTHR uses the same data from indy.gov and other databases around the country. Not sure if the indy.gov has data for the whole country or not, didn't check that. The indy map is sluggish in my browser.

Would be great if they ever got the maps to display or link to actual case information. Do you know of where the case # could be looked up for such information ?

 

[bessie]

I think that the map on WTHR uses the same data from indy.gov and other databases around the country. Not sure if the indy.gov has data for the whole country or not, didn't check that. The indy map is sluggish in my browser.

Would be great if they ever got the maps to display or link to actual case information. Do you know of where the case # could be looked up for such information ?

You won't find the incident reports online. You can try googling the the address with a key word, e.g., "burglary", and you might find a media report with details. That sometimes works, usually for more serious crimes, though.

This is crime map I mentioned, and another one, and the daily archives page on spotcrime.

http://maps.indy.gov/MapIndy/Index.html?theme=crimeviewer

https://spotcrime.com/in/indianapolis

https://www.spotcrime.com/in/indianapolis/daily

 

[fizzypop]

^bbm. Thx for your post, leading me to read a bit about CPTED, at wiki and other links. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_prevention_through_environmental_design

W small-ish lot sizes in Blackburn's neighborhood, seems like these ^ principles - for ex, tree placement, fence type, shrubbery trimming - could help neighbors' ability to surveill sketchy stranger behavior at nearby homes. Could help deter crime, or at least ID suspects, thru eyewitness or vid recording, after the fact.

OTOH, w larger lots and/or more rural areas, residents may not necessarily be able to see stranger on foot or in vehicle casing, entering or exiting the home 'next door' which may be 1/4, 1/2, or 1 mi away.

Yeah, CPTED definitely has it's limits, when you are so far away no one is going to see anything it's really only practical for your own safety (no one being able to hide to accost you when you arrive home, etc...). But I saw the Mrs. Kravitz comment and I agree, it's giving up a lot of privacy, but the fact is that the things that give you more privacy are the things that are attractive to burglars. You have a house with trees or a solid wood fence next to a houses with no trees and lots of natural surveillance which house do you think the thieves are going to target? The one where they have some privacy which can give them a little extra time to get in without as much worry of someone else seeing them and calling the police on suspicious activity. It's just like the neighborhoods that have Neighborhood Watch signs. Those people have all signed up (at least 50% of homeowners in a CW area have to agree to be a part of it) to watch their neighbor's home and in turn be watched. Not optimal but it's the world we live in unfortunately, especially in more densely populated areas where crime is high, or higher at least, than less dense areas.

 

[MaxManning]

You won't find the incident reports online. You can try googling the the address with a key word, e.g., "burglary", and you might find a media report with details. That sometimes works, usually for more serious crimes, though.

This is crime map I mentioned, and another one, and the daily archives page on spotcrime.

http://maps.indy.gov/MapIndy/Index.html?theme=crimeviewer

https://spotcrime.com/in/indianapolis

https://www.spotcrime.com/in/indianapolis/daily

That's what i have been doing is searching with the address and "burglary". Is it just me or in this day and age, it seems like it would be a huge service to the community to have these incident reports online, with victims data redacted. Don't even need the exact address, but I think residents have a right to know what is going on in their neighborhoods. I learn so much from the details when I see them and take note of things to be mindful of. It's 2015, and all of this information should be in digital format and searchable. imo