ISRAEL KEYES: Profile and Background

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  1. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    What do we know about Israel Keyes?

    The Cold-Blooded Crimes of Serial Murderer Israel Keyes
    Serial Killer Israel Keyes Got 'High' from Killing, FBI Agent Says
    An inside look into the funeral of serial killer Israel Keyes
    Israel Keyes told investigator he let his first victim go

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes"]Israel Keyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
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  3. Knox

    Knox Wear Pink & Eat Cake ~ Lauren Giddings

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    This article should interest you Claudette. A few things we had not heard before:


    • Keyes got a high from killing and shivered with adrenaline when he recounted his murders, presenting a stark break from his usual calmness during interviews

    • Keyes was reluctant to provide details of his killings because he worried about how his family would view him, especially his daughter, who is 10 or 11 years old. "He was very conscious of his daughter Googling him years from now and having to deal with the fallout from this

    • Russo said he believes Keyes killed as many as 11 or 12 people. The FBI and Anchorage Police Department investigators also upped the number on Friday, saying Keyes may have had 11 victims. They'd previously said at least eight. FBI agent Darren Jones said the FBI always thought there might be more than eight. Additional information makes them confident there's more. But no one may ever know the real number (inserting my thought here, bloody sheets of paper found in his cell, have revealed more information to investigators)

    • At some point he realized he was different. He always thought other people were pretending to be nice to other people and then he realized at some point only he was pretending. He described an incident when he was younger -- how he tortured a cat in front of his friends and everybody got sick and ran away from him. He realized he should shut up about this stuff because he was different.

    • Before killing the Curriers and Koenig, Keyes’ killings didn't attract much attention. He noted that missing men, in particular, didn't get attention. People just assume they've left home. "He goes, 'Oddly the bank robbery I did in New York got more publicity than the person I took and killed,’ " Russo said.

    • Keyes also told investigators that because of his daughter, children were off limits. That's one reason he chose to kill the Curriers in Vermont -- they had no children.
    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/investigators-keyes-killing-spree-may-have-claimed-11-victims
     
  4. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Wonder if IK saw/heard of this, and if it influenced his habits at all.

    http://www.stevenjthompson.com/varioustopics/lakecrescentmystery/index.htm

    A lake's secrets may solve 72-year-old mystery
    Thursday, December 20, 2001

    By KRISTIN DIZON
    SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

    http://john-rawlings.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/27/1699750-diving-into-a-72-year-old-mystery-an-alpine-lake-finally-gives-up-its-secrets

    http://john-rawlings.newsvine.com/_news/2008/11/09/2091424-return-to-the-mystery-the-warren-case-and-lake-crescent-part-2

    Essentially, it took 73 years to find this couple that went into the lake on their way back from town. Several dive teams, write up's in the paper, etc. Makes me wonder if it affected his choice of putting some of his victims in this lake.
     
  5. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Foxfire posted this originally. After reviewing some of the earlier audio, I'm revisiting the topic....

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ent...n-alaska-heats-up-with-the-frozen-ground.html

    On Location: 'The Frozen Ground' heats up filming in Alaska
    October 20, 2011


    This article also mentions tax rebates for filming there and hiring locals. Another hot button for IK.....

    So, he abducts and murders the Curriers in June 2011, his first admitted killing that generated any real media attention and finds he likes that, likes following the news articles and commenting on them (4/17/12 audio). He then spends 10 days in the "Western US" in September, then in October they begin filming this in his home town and suddenly he decides to abduct someone practically right next to his house???

    He abducts Samantha from a location less than 6 miles from his home and puts her in the shed at his house (!) when his entire MO all along was a complete 180 degrees from that? He didn't keep things that could tie him to any murder, they were buried in caches, but when he burns the house in Aledo in 2/12 he takes jewelry and takes it home to Anchorage and keeps it in a black fannypack (4/17/12 audio)!!! And then he proceeds to draw another straight line to himself with the ATM card after he gets back from the cruise by making a withdrawal in Anchorage before he left, then several on the way to his destination and allowing his vehicle to be seen in the ATM cameras. :notgood:
    There is more to this than meets the eye. IMVHO.

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/artic...l-serial-killer-israel-keyes-wish-be-executed

    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/press-...he-publics-assistance-concerning-israel-keyes

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  6. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    From another of Foxfire's links:
    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/hollow/5.html

    Hollow Men: Why Serial Murderers Must Kill To Feel
    BY Stephen G. Michaud

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  7. Foxfire

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    Why did Israel Keyes, break his rules of prey? IK, was a very disciplined predator for almost two decades. Imo,, IK planned to be apprehended for Samantha Koenig's abduction/murder.
    From observation IK's Rules of prey:
    * Always go dark & change modes of transportation a minimum of three times.
    * Never abduct close to home base
    * Always choose strangers
    * Never leave witnesses alive
    * Never have a motive.
    * Never follow an obvious pattern.
    * Never carry a firearm after use.
    * Beware of leaving indictable residue; clues, forensics, bodies..
    * Abort the mission that may have potentially undesirable or disastrous consequences.
    * Never hunt twice in the same geographical area ot jurisdiction.
    * Avoid security cameras and high traffic areas.
    * Never carry your kill kit in your vehicle.
    * Never share your secrets with others.
    * Take advantage of jurisdictional linkage blindness when possible.
    Imo, IK, was a collector/souvenirs, documented his evil deeds using pics & video, and would have likely hid them in the vicinity of his kill kits for revisiting..
    IK, would not have gone to the grave without sharing the locations of his buried treasures; gold, silver, jewelry, etc..imo
     
  8. Snoopster

    Snoopster Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely believe that IK was fascinated by 'making bodies disappear' . In his November 29/12 interview with FBI (which ended up being his last) he indicated that he often wondered what happened to bodies in deep cold lakes. He imagined that there weren't many fish that went to the depths and that the victim's body might simply still be there, where it landed.

    During the interview he did mention that there were possibly cars in the bottom of the lake with victims that have never been found, due to its depth. (Sounds like he read the article you mentioned, doesn't it Lucky?) He said he was surprised that the FBI didn't suspect that he put a victim in "Lake Crescent". To IK, it was an obvious choice.

    What surprised me in the interview though, was that he implied that he didn't go to far out into the lake with his victim (as he was in a canoe and didn't travel far) but that it fell off sharply in depth only 30 feet out. How did he transport a body, attached to "4 to 5" milk jugs, out into the lake in a canoe and dump it without tipping? That's pretty tricky.


    Switching topics, I'm still not sure what to make of the coincidence that he lived in so many places that were in very close proximity to the Canadian border. His parents would have chosen most of them. Was there something that his father was worried about? i.e. was the family looking for the ability to escape across the border in certain circumstances?

    Colville WA -- ~25 miles from the central BC border

    Smyrna Mills ME -- ~15 miles from the New Brunswick border. (In 1996, a group of Amish families settled in Smyrna. IK's family moved there around that time...perhaps a year later.)

    Constable NY -- ~ 3 miles from the Quebec border (near the Ontario border).

    Neah Bay WA -- ~ 12 miles by boat. Immediately across the Juan de Fuca Straight from Vancouver Island, B.C.

    Does anyone else find this a weird coincidence? Even if they simply wanted to be far from civilization, there are many places that aren't so close to the border.
     
  9. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    Price of land, privacy, lack of zoning regulations.....generally speaking. And according to the article below, ”We wanted to be in an uncontaminated community”…”One less populated with plain people” Doesn't really have anything to do with proximity to the border. Few people want to live so far out with so few services, but that is exactly what the Amish are looking for.

    http://amishamerica.com/amish-maine/

    IMO, IK didn't look for these types of areas once out of the family home. He joined the military soon afterward, was in Tacoma for many years, then in Anchorage....surrounded by homes and families. Although close to a border, not the same situation IMVHO.
     
  10. Foxfire

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    _______________________________________________

    RE:
    Imo, the last item on a prolific serial killer's bucket list is notoriety...

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/jason_massey/7.html
    <sniped BM>

    Bones to Talk With

    It was clear that had he not been stopped in July 1993, he would have killed again. His greatest ambition, he wrote in these books, was to become America's most famous serial killer. "My goal is 700 people in twenty years."
     
  11. Snoopster

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    I agree with all of those factors, but there are many places in the upper US that have those attributes but that aren't all within 25 miles of the border. That's incredibly close.

    Neah Bay is essentially zero miles from the border as you can't go any closer to the border. Also with Neah Bay....simply hop in the boat, and?....no one land crossing.

    Does anyone know how border services monitors that stretch of water? Do they have water patrols? What is to stop someone from taking their boat across the strait and simply landing in a fairly remote spot?

    So much has been made in the Canadian media that IK isn't suspected of any murders during the couple of days he was known to be in Victoria. But what about days he wasn't known to be in Canada?

    Similarly, in Constable NY, that is very, very close to Mohawk lands. Those lands span the border. Much smuggling of goods and people is done both ways across the border in that location. Simply have someone take you across the St. Lawrence River. I mentioned this point many months ago before we knew as much as we know now, but the coincidence is still bugging me.

    And, now that I finally looked up where Smyrna Falls ME is, I was shocked to see the it was on the road to Canada, not many miles away at all. Maine is huge. Upper NY State is huge. Washington State is huge.

    Just sayin'. :truce:

    MOO, of course.
     
  12. northxnorthwest

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    I know in WA state they patrol the "water border" incredibly well and always have people on the lookout. In the 70s it was easy to get over undetected and tons of drugs were smuggled across that way. Even if you were in a canoe the water patrols would be ON YOU ASAP.
     
  13. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    I understand what you are saying Snoopster, but will have to respectfully disagree. Remote land may be found that is not close to the borders, but I will guarantee you it is cheaper the closer you get to Canada. Cold, snowy, remote, few services, low taxes, few people = less cost. And I think that since IK grew up in those types of areas, they were where he was comfortable. IMVHO.
     
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    Switching topics, I'm still not sure what to make of the coincidence that he lived in so many places that were in very close proximity to the Canadian border. His parents would have chosen most of them. Was there something that his father was worried about? i.e. was the family looking for the ability to escape across the border in certain circumstances?

    Colville WA -- ~25 miles from the central BC border

    Smyrna Mills ME -- ~15 miles from the New Brunswick border. (In 1996, a group of Amish families settled in Smyrna. IK's family moved there around that time...perhaps a year later.)

    Constable NY -- ~ 3 miles from the Quebec border (near the Ontario border).

    Neah Bay WA -- ~ 12 miles by boat. Immediately across the Juan de Fuca Straight from Vancouver Island, B.C.

    Does anyone else find this a weird coincidence? Even if they simply wanted to be far from civilization, there are many places that aren't so close to the border.
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    Snoopster, If you look long and hard at what you just said here, a lot of the answers to IK and "Family" will be found right in the above statements....I have some HUGE wonderings on the Father of this family........If this Keyes father had any similar beliefs as the Kehoe father had, it was HATE, Breaking in houses, and in the end Kirby Kehoe along with one son "Chevie" was charged with killing a family of 3....Father Mother and Daughter just to gain access to their known gun collection....Just sayin'
     
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    Lucky1....I don't know about this....Why did Keyes choose to live in Neah's Bay, they said in a very small type cabin, very tattered and worn...I take that to be very rundown..................the Father had a reason to pass this NY property along to his 1st born son and it was almost totally run down and is where the FBI did a 2 day search and apparently found a lot of items (in his back yard fire pit)????and even in Anchorage the house his GF owned was on a dead end street...

    I had a friend come over last evening and she lived in Fairbanks Alaska, I had tons of questions for her of course but she told me that if a person wanted to literally drop off the face of the earth they could certainly do this in Fairbanks and other places there....Her husband was in Military there and she was associated with 4 families while there, she said there was nothing to do so on weekends they rented movies (all 4 families) cooked meals and often spent the entire weekend watching movies...they went camping in summer months and said although other campers were at this campground you might run into 1 or 2 families while there but even this was surprising...so I got an inside mind view of how easy it would be to go to Alaska and hide out from anything you had done...more or less, if you don't know other families, you are more or less on your own while there
     
  16. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    The Amish attempted to settle California in 1913 with one community at Salinas in Monterey County, but it only lasted a year. The seven families were from an Oregon community.

    http://amishamerica.com/california-amish-community/

    A California Amish community
    Posted on May 23rd, 2007 in Amish Communities, Amish History

    BBM
    http://amishamerica.com/amish-state-guide/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_California
     
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    In thinking about why a father would have his family in very remote areas...and thinking about the church the family joined after leaving the Mormon church...and in thinking about this whole thing...

    Something that a lot of small (dare I ay it? "Oddball") churches teach is the theories around the Apocalypse. Without getting into a huge debate, there are two schools of thought - pre-tribulation rapture, and post-Trib rapture. If the church taught post-trib, then the whole 'survivalist' mentality comes into play.

    One of the things taught in the apocaplyptic churches is that the US doesn't appear in any of the biblical teachings. Some would say that's because the US had declined and lost power, and/or ceased to exist in it's current form.

    If one takes all of that, and adds it to an 'oddball' family...I'd have to say that the choice of being near a border would be ideal for a man who believed that perhaps the US would not survive to the Apocalypse, and the only way to survive once the Great Tribulation began might be to escape into another country...and into the wilderness.

    It could also be shades of Manson - once the "race wars" break out, Canada would be a good place to flee to.

    Dunno...I don't believe that it's a coincidence, though. Just thinking out loud here.

    Best-
    Herding Cats
     
  18. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nside-usually-limits-religious-community.html

    Inside the Amish world: Eye-opening photographs offer a rare glimpse at the usually off-limits religious community

    BBM
     
  19. Jersey*Girl

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    Or he wasn't working alone... For him to take his life the way he did, idk I still have questions about it. I mean, why right then & there? Plus, nothing at all about how he took Sam & disposed of her...and everything he put Sonny through was reported on nationwide...none of it makes sense. So why did he change his MO? It's baffling.

    Is it possible his part of the crime spree was over so he just went ahead & killed himself, but his game partner is still out there? If that's the case, could the other person be a she? Could he have killed himself to protect a child?
     
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    There are so many missing people from Saskatchewan. There's a massive reservation population there as well. I can't stop wondering if Israel Keyes could be responsible for several missing people in Canada while maybe hiding within one of the resvations.
     
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    Amish lands have many laws within their own lands.

    Aboriginal/Indians have many laws within their own lands.

    Coincidence that a papa Keyes moves into an Amish environment when Israel is young and Israel grows up to utilize Indian Reservations? They're very similar as far as protected grandfathered laws are concerned. If its a coincidence, then it's a VERY BIG one.

    Wonder if he was a conspiracist, or a radical in his beliefs. Maybe he was against government in general.
     

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