3 explosive devices were activated in the north of the Gaza Strip near IDF forces, contrary to the ceasefire agreements. Several soldiers were injured.
Shots were also fired at IDF soldiers.
Shots were also fired at IDF soldiers.
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13
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With coming ground operation in South Gaza and the rubble of Northern part,
I have a question:
Where is the civilian population of nearly 2 million people going to find shelter now?
Winter is coming.
What about medical service?
What is the plan?
Does anybody know?
Are they going to stay in the southern part with battles in the north?
And then evacuate to the northern part with battles in the south?
And live in ruins?
JMO
Wouldn’t be amazing if politicians around the world were concerned and discussing this right now?
It’s dehumanising and cruel.
More evidence that fundamental changes are needed in Israel in regards to Palestinians. Israeli law allows for people to be detained indefinetly with out charges.
Make me wonder if Israel also kidnaps and also takes hostages- well, "In Spirit and in Truth". Israel clearly does not take hostages according to the letter of Israeli law- wink, nod.
One famous Israeli scholar, however advocated going meaning- beyond letter of the law type considerations. It might be time to listen to him via reforms. He seemed to know a lot about human relations.
I dont expect that Israel match the US law requiring charges in 72 hours or release. The Netherlands (also a real democracy) allows for 30 days of detention with out charges before mandatory release is required.
Israel faces real threats. I could support say, 3-4 months of detention with out charges. But, held indefintely with out charges? Something seems strange- like say, finding "abandoned" land.
80% of the detained Palestinians that Israel is willing to release in hostage exchanges have not been charged with a crime at al..
Make me wonder if Israel also kidnaps and also takes hostages- well, "In Spirit and in Truth". Israel clearly does not take hostages according to the letter of Israeli law- wink, nod.
One famous Israeli scholar, however advocated going meaning- beyond letter of the law type considerations. It might be time to listen to him via reforms. He seemed to know a lot about human relations.
I dont expect that Israel match the US law requiring charges in 72 hours or release. The Netherlands (also a real democracy) allows for 30 days of detention with out charges before mandatory release is required.
Israel faces real threats. I could support say, 3-4 months of detention with out charges. But, held indefintely with out charges? Something seems strange- like say, finding "abandoned" land.
80% of the detained Palestinians that Israel is willing to release in hostage exchanges have not been charged with a crime at al..
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A neighbourhood in Gaza heavily damaged by Israeli attacks
UNICEF spokesperson James Elder spoke to BBC's Newshour about the devastation he has observed in Gaza as his convoy delivers desperately-needed supplies during the truce.
"I spend my days in centres where tens of thousands of people have been displaced. The wounds of war on children are scarring and jarring.
Yesterday I went up north with a convoy of absolutely critical aid. The places, the buildings, people's faces, are just riddled with distress and trauma, whether it's just the broken concrete and the devastation, or the anxiety of people who have lost everything," he said.
He added that many Gazans are still moving southward, as per the evacuation directive, although they don't know their destination.
"They do not have anywhere safe to go," Elder said.
'Wounds of war are jarring' - UNICEF aid worker
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A neighbourhood in Gaza heavily damaged by Israeli attacks
UNICEF spokesperson James Elder spoke to BBC's Newshour about the devastation he has observed in Gaza as his convoy delivers desperately-needed supplies during the truce.
"I spend my days in centres where tens of thousands of people have been displaced. The wounds of war on children are scarring and jarring.
Yesterday I went up north with a convoy of absolutely critical aid. The places, the buildings, people's faces, are just riddled with distress and trauma, whether it's just the broken concrete and the devastation, or the anxiety of people who have lost everything," he said.
He added that many Gazans are still moving southward, as per the evacuation directive, although they don't know their destination.
"They do not have anywhere safe to go," Elder said.
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I'm sure they thought IDF would show up at any minute and were probably surprised that they got through the border. They are full of rage and hate. I saw a documentary called Gaza and the hate was very real. I could feel it. (Documentary is free to watch on Tubi. It shows everyday life in Gaza.) They went on a rampage. I think everyone was fair game. Of course they will go after the most vulnerable. Women and children. Sex crimes are often a form of hate crimes.
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She also says that any time a child in captivity cried “they threatened them with rifles to shut them up.”
Speaking to BFM, Devora Cohen says that “the Hamas terrorists forced him to watch films of the horrors, the kind that no one wants to see, they forced him to watch them.”
She says the Hamas members were “monsters.”
“When he arrived in Gaza, all the residents, everyone, beat him. He is a 12-year-old child,” she says.
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Aunt says Hamas forced 12-year-old hostage to watch videos of atrocities, aimed gun at him when he cried
The aunt of Eitan Yahalomi, 12, who was released from Gaza captivity last night, tells French TV that terrorists forced him to watch videos of the atrocities they carried out on October 7.She also says that any time a child in captivity cried “they threatened them with rifles to shut them up.”
Speaking to BFM, Devora Cohen says that “the Hamas terrorists forced him to watch films of the horrors, the kind that no one wants to see, they forced him to watch them.”
She says the Hamas members were “monsters.”
“When he arrived in Gaza, all the residents, everyone, beat him. He is a 12-year-old child,” she says.
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Speaking to CNN, Hand says his daughter’s recovery will be slow.
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He says he was shocked at the transformation she underwent in captivity.
“It was only when she stepped back that I could see her face was chiseled, like mine, whereas before it was chubby, girly, a young kid face.”
“The most shocking, disturbing part of meeting her was she was just whispering, you couldn’t hear her. I had to put my ear on her lips,” he says. “She’d been conditioned not to make any noise.”
He says he asked her how long she thought she had been a hostage and she replied “a year.”
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“Last night she cried until her face was red and blotchy, she couldn’t stop. She didn’t want any comfort, I guess she’s forgotten how to be comforted,” Hand says. “She went under the covers of the bed, the quilt, covered herself up and quietly cried.”
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Emily’s mother died of cancer several years ago.
Father says girl,9, released from captivity thought she was there for a year, won’t stop whispering
Thomas Hand, the father of nine-year-old Emily who was released from Hamas captivity, says she thought she had been held hostage for a year and now cries herself to sleep.Speaking to CNN, Hand says his daughter’s recovery will be slow.
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He says he was shocked at the transformation she underwent in captivity.
“It was only when she stepped back that I could see her face was chiseled, like mine, whereas before it was chubby, girly, a young kid face.”
“The most shocking, disturbing part of meeting her was she was just whispering, you couldn’t hear her. I had to put my ear on her lips,” he says. “She’d been conditioned not to make any noise.”
He says he asked her how long she thought she had been a hostage and she replied “a year.”
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“Last night she cried until her face was red and blotchy, she couldn’t stop. She didn’t want any comfort, I guess she’s forgotten how to be comforted,” Hand says. “She went under the covers of the bed, the quilt, covered herself up and quietly cried.”
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Emily’s mother died of cancer several years ago.
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According to the IDF, three explosive devices were detonated near forces at two separate locations in the northern Gaza Strip, “in violation of the truce agreements.”
The army says that in one of the incidents, gunfire was also directed at troops, who returned fire.
“In both cases, the IDF forces were within the agreed-upon ceasefire lines,” it adds.
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Israeli troops in northern Gaza targeted with bombs, in apparent breach of truce
The Israel Defense Forces says a number of soldiers are lightly hurt after being attacked by Hamas in the northern Gaza Strip, in what appears to be the first serious violation of the ceasefire. Hamas accuses the IDF of violating the ceasefire first.According to the IDF, three explosive devices were detonated near forces at two separate locations in the northern Gaza Strip, “in violation of the truce agreements.”
The army says that in one of the incidents, gunfire was also directed at troops, who returned fire.
“In both cases, the IDF forces were within the agreed-upon ceasefire lines,” it adds.
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Yeah, I just can’t today, over and out.
Websleuths 101: Don’t forget to take mental health breaks if you need them.
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There is no limit to Hamas’ inhumanity and the heartlessness of people who want Israel to abandon the hostages in Gaza and leave their captors in power.
Naor knew above all else his country needed him, because our nation's pain is something we all feel.
We salute him for his efforts and bravery.
Naor knew above all else his country needed him, because our nation's pain is something we all feel.
We salute him for his efforts and bravery.
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It is the third time the IDF has confirmed the death of an October 7 hostage in Gaza, after Noa Marciano and Yehudit Weiss.
The IDF says Katz’s body is being held by Hamas in Gaza. It is not clear if he died in Gaza or if he was killed in Israel and his body was brought to Gaza.
Katz was taken from Kibbutz Nir Oz. He is the brother of Doron Katz Asher, a hostage who was freed Friday.
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Israel confirms death of hostage Ravid Katz in Gaza
The Israel Defense Forces confirmed on Tuesday the death of hostage Ravid Katz, who was taken captive from Israel during the Hamas attack on October 7.It is the third time the IDF has confirmed the death of an October 7 hostage in Gaza, after Noa Marciano and Yehudit Weiss.
The IDF says Katz’s body is being held by Hamas in Gaza. It is not clear if he died in Gaza or if he was killed in Israel and his body was brought to Gaza.
Katz was taken from Kibbutz Nir Oz. He is the brother of Doron Katz Asher, a hostage who was freed Friday.
November 28, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
Twelve hostages, comprising 10 Israelis and two Thai citizens, were released by Hamas on Tuesday, according to officials. Thirty Palestinians were also freed from Israeli prisons, officials said.
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Kfir’s parents Yarden and Shiri, and his brother, Ariel, 4, were taken hostage from Israel on October 7. The video that was released of Shiri and her two children from Gaza on October 7 was one of the first videos of hostages in Gaza.
Yarden’s sister, Ofri Bibas, said Tuesday that the boys’ father was hit by a hammer on October 7, with no further information available on his current condition or whereabouts.
Yarden's cousin, Eylon Keshet, who also spoke on the call, said relatives believe Yarden was separated from his wife and children, based on videos that they have seen. Keshet said the family is not believed to be held together.
Ofri Bibas expressed her concerns for the two children, saying:
“Every day there is a danger to their lives, and they must be released as soon as possible.”
She said she is worried that the 10-month-old baby does not have access to formula.
Keshet also said that Ariel Bibas has several medical conditions.
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Relatives of 10-month-old baby taken hostage say he isn't on Tuesday's release list
The youngest Israeli hostage, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, and his family are not on the latest list of people to be released from Gaza, relatives of the family said Tuesday.Kfir’s parents Yarden and Shiri, and his brother, Ariel, 4, were taken hostage from Israel on October 7. The video that was released of Shiri and her two children from Gaza on October 7 was one of the first videos of hostages in Gaza.
Yarden’s sister, Ofri Bibas, said Tuesday that the boys’ father was hit by a hammer on October 7, with no further information available on his current condition or whereabouts.
Yarden's cousin, Eylon Keshet, who also spoke on the call, said relatives believe Yarden was separated from his wife and children, based on videos that they have seen. Keshet said the family is not believed to be held together.
Ofri Bibas expressed her concerns for the two children, saying:
“Every day there is a danger to their lives, and they must be released as soon as possible.”
She said she is worried that the 10-month-old baby does not have access to formula.
Keshet also said that Ariel Bibas has several medical conditions.
November 28, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
Twelve hostages, comprising 10 Israelis and two Thai citizens, were released by Hamas on Tuesday, according to officials. Thirty Palestinians were also freed from Israeli prisons, officials said.
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“Still, as Lara Friedman, president of the U.S.-based Foundation for Middle East Peace, which advocates for rapprochement between Israelis and Palestinians, recently pointed out, Hamas won a parliamentary majority in what turned out to be Gaza's last election − in 2006 − not on an incendiary platform to "kill the Jews," but as the "party of change & reform."
After years of rule by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' widely unpopular and potentially corrupt Fatah party, "a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah," she said. Fatah and Abbas, with whom Hamas fought a short civil war after the 2006 vote, still control the West Bank, the other Palestinian territory.
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As Gaza has become more cut off from the outside world and aid agencies have warned its on the verge of collapse, there have been rare public shows of discontent in Gaza with Hamas.
Fights have broken out in lines at bakeries, while waiting for water and in overcrowded shelters. There have been reports of outbursts and insults shouted at Hamas officials.
Before the war, Israeli media published stories of Gazans who had fled the enclave because of threats they faced from Hamas for participating in protests, because they didn't support its approach to Israel or for challenging the way it spent financing from Qatar on rockets and tunnels rather than schools or other infrastructure.
A Gazan worker USA TODAY met in the West Bank last month said that he was not able to return home because Hamas officials were trying to extort money from him.
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"After Oct. 7 we all in Gaza have been (accused of being) Hamas supporters. In fact, I am not. And I will never be," said Tareq Hajjaj, a Gazan journalist, in rare public comments about Hamas.
Hajjaj said he knows many Gazans with strong feelings about Hamas who won't speak publicly about it.“
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After years of rule by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' widely unpopular and potentially corrupt Fatah party, "a vote for Hamas was a vote against Fatah," she said. Fatah and Abbas, with whom Hamas fought a short civil war after the 2006 vote, still control the West Bank, the other Palestinian territory.
[…]
As Gaza has become more cut off from the outside world and aid agencies have warned its on the verge of collapse, there have been rare public shows of discontent in Gaza with Hamas.
Fights have broken out in lines at bakeries, while waiting for water and in overcrowded shelters. There have been reports of outbursts and insults shouted at Hamas officials.
Before the war, Israeli media published stories of Gazans who had fled the enclave because of threats they faced from Hamas for participating in protests, because they didn't support its approach to Israel or for challenging the way it spent financing from Qatar on rockets and tunnels rather than schools or other infrastructure.
A Gazan worker USA TODAY met in the West Bank last month said that he was not able to return home because Hamas officials were trying to extort money from him.
[…]
"After Oct. 7 we all in Gaza have been (accused of being) Hamas supporters. In fact, I am not. And I will never be," said Tareq Hajjaj, a Gazan journalist, in rare public comments about Hamas.
Hajjaj said he knows many Gazans with strong feelings about Hamas who won't speak publicly about it.“
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Although Elma Avraham, the 84-year-old released hostage, was unconscious and in critical condition for two days, today there has been significant improvement in her condition, those close to her report to Kan News.
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We are starting to hear details from the hostages, and they describe what amounts to torture. I am not going to detail everything we hear, just what was published by the families themselves. Here are some harrowing stories:
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Israel confirms death of hostage Ravid Katz in Gaza
The Israel Defense Forces confirmed on Tuesday the death of hostage Ravid Katz, who was taken captive from Israel during the Hamas attack on October 7.
It is the third time the IDF has confirmed the death of an October 7 hostage in Gaza, after Noa Marciano and Yehudit Weiss.
The IDF says Katz’s body is being held by Hamas in Gaza. It is not clear if he died in Gaza or if he was killed in Israel and his body was brought to Gaza.
Katz was taken from Kibbutz Nir Oz. He is the brother of Doron Katz Asher, a hostage who was freed Friday.
November 28, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
Twelve hostages, comprising 10 Israelis and two Thai citizens, were released by Hamas on Tuesday, according to officials. Thirty Palestinians were also freed from Israeli prisons, officials said.
2 days ago:
“We still have two members of our family, Gadi Moizes is still captive; his ex-wife was released yesterday with the first group; but we still have a half cousin, Ravid Katz, who is 51 years old who was part of the emergency team response, who is still held captive, still held hostage in this ordeal,” said Roberts.
Family member of 3 released Hamas hostages speaks out
Scripps News talks to a family in Texas who says their cousin was just released after being in captivity with her young daughters for about 50 days.
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Israeli man missing since Hamas Oct. 7 attack declared dead
"Yesterday we received bitter news about Ravid Katz, brother of my wife Doron, who is no longer alive from the events of 10/7," the message read.
“"He was an educator, an amazing father to Shahar and Shira, to Alma who was only 6 months old, and [his] partner Revital."”
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Ravid Katz, resident of Kibbutz Nir Oz, who was believed to be a captive in Gaza, was later identified as killed in the Hamas assault of October 7, 2023 (Courtesy)
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“We are preparing to continue fighting to dismantle Hamas. It will take time, these are complex goals, but they are more than justified,” Halevi adds, as a truce initially planned to last four days stretched to a fifth to allow more hostages to be released.
He says each hostage who returns is a “great relief,” but the IDF will not stop until all of them are released.
“The return of the hostages is a ray of light for all of us. It is also another testimony to the results of significant military pressure and high-quality ground maneuver. We created the conditions for the return of our citizens home. We will continue to do so,” Halevi says.
Speaking on recent reports that the military had intelligence of Hamas’s plans for the October 7 onslaught but senior officers largely ignored the warnings by their subordinates, Halevi says everything will be investigated after the war.
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Halevi: IDF ready to resume fighting now, using truce to beef up readiness
[...]“We are preparing to continue fighting to dismantle Hamas. It will take time, these are complex goals, but they are more than justified,” Halevi adds, as a truce initially planned to last four days stretched to a fifth to allow more hostages to be released.
He says each hostage who returns is a “great relief,” but the IDF will not stop until all of them are released.
“The return of the hostages is a ray of light for all of us. It is also another testimony to the results of significant military pressure and high-quality ground maneuver. We created the conditions for the return of our citizens home. We will continue to do so,” Halevi says.
Speaking on recent reports that the military had intelligence of Hamas’s plans for the October 7 onslaught but senior officers largely ignored the warnings by their subordinates, Halevi says everything will be investigated after the war.
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