By looking at the chart, it's easy to see the total number of participants. It's not deceiving to me. It was a small sample.
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Whether 85% (his original comment) or 75% (his corrected comment), the survey still has a total of 668 people.
https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf
Maybe he could have clarified by saying only 668 brave people participated in the survey.
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Hostages arrive in Israel !!!!
LIVE UPDATEFROM THE LIVEBLOG OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2023
Freed Israeli hostages pictured in Egypt after their release from Hamas captivity in Gaza, November 29, 2023 (ScreenshotThe 10 Israeli, and 4 Thai hostages are back in Israel after their release tonight from 54 days of Hamas captivity in Gaza.
The military says they are being escorted by special forces and members of the Shin Bet security agency.
“After they undergo an initial medical assessment of their health, our forces will accompany them until they are reunited with their families,” the IDF says.
The IDF asks the public to “demonstrate patience and sensitivity during this time out of respect for the released hostages and their families.”
Earlier, two Russian-Israeli hostages were released by Hamas.
LIVE UPDATEFROM THE LIVEBLOG OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2023
10 Israeli, 4 Thai hostages back in Israel after release from Hamas in Gaza
By EMANUEL FABIAN 30 Nov 2023, 12:25 am 0
Freed Israeli hostages pictured in Egypt after their release from Hamas captivity in Gaza, November 29, 2023 (ScreenshotThe 10 Israeli, and 4 Thai hostages are back in Israel after their release tonight from 54 days of Hamas captivity in Gaza.
The military says they are being escorted by special forces and members of the Shin Bet security agency.
“After they undergo an initial medical assessment of their health, our forces will accompany them until they are reunited with their families,” the IDF says.
The IDF asks the public to “demonstrate patience and sensitivity during this time out of respect for the released hostages and their families.”
Earlier, two Russian-Israeli hostages were released by Hamas.
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I recall the Al Jaeera live feed footage posted in here ... when the IDF was readying to enter the hospital of all the young, fit Palestinian men running about what seemed to be a large lobby in a tizzy and then the reporter cutting immediately away when armed 'civilian men' came into the camera lens view.
I often wonder if these were same terrorists who stashed their weapons in behind the MRI machine and tried to make their way out amongst whichever of those many young men actually were civilians.
One day, when I have more time and patience, I think I'll go back through all that hospital footage to compare the young men and their outfits against all the Hamas footage of their terrorists, in civilian clothing but masked up, taking on the IDF with ATGMs, RPGs etc outside Shifa during the fighting.
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Blinken arrives in Israel for talks on Gaza truce, aid
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrives in Tel Aviv tonight for talks with Israeli leaders on the truce with Hamas in Gaza, the hostages held by the terror group, and the provision of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.It is Blinken’s third visit to the Middle East since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas, sparked by the shock October 7 assault on southern Israel by the terror group, when thousands of terrorists massacred people in their homes and at an outdoor music festival. About 1,200 people were killed, and around 240 were taken hostage.
Earlier, 10 more Israeli and four Thai hostages were released by Hamas in Gaza as part of a truce agreement that saw.
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I'll just say this:
I am against illegal Israeli Settlements.
The original post that I responded to and my response was about the Failed Palestinian Land Grab of 1948 that got us to this point of Palestinians wanting to revert 75 years to 1947.
That's the critical bit of the sory that Palestinans and their supporters want to erase from ever occuring. It's quite like an ostrich to me. Going back to 1947 simply is not going to happen.
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The only thing possibly worse than holding a baby hostage is holding the dead body of a baby hostage. The IDF is investigating Hamas' claims that the Bibas family hostages are dead.
Analysis of what happens after Hamas is wiped out:
Israel's Arab neighbours want to see Hamas gone, but spurn role in governing Gaza afterward
Israel's Arab neighbours want to see Hamas gone, but spurn role in governing Gaza afterward
When put like that, even the protesters have to agree.
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You would think. But no.
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Who should we believe then?
"Hamas spokesperson says" or "Hamas says" .... or maybe all that footage of joyous celebrations in their streets and jumping onto ICRC vehicles carrying young Israeli hostages out??
They are terrorists; they are mass murderers of innocent civilians - who they methodicly, deliberatly and purposefully planned to do. They've been caught lying and distorting facts in attempt to blame Israel (failed PIJ rocket onto hospital anyone??) etc etc. More just today.
I'll take westernized media spox over a terrorist spox (that IS exactly what a "Hamas Spokesperson" or "Hamas Says" or "Hamas denies" is but they should be believed without question apparently) every single day of the week.
There are those that believe them without question. I am not one of them --- an entire Himalayas worth of salt wouldn't make them a single iota more credible to me.
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47 of the 81 hostages freed from Hamas captivity have been discharged from hospitals in Israel, the health ministry says.
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True !
Except that insistence to decline to govern, and to place it all on Israel's shoulders -- creates another vacuum for a new Hamas-style government.
How will Gazans vote the next time ?
Will they make a wiser choice ?
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I would be astounded if face recognition software hasn't been in operation throughout
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In a report on the music festival, the BBC used facial recognition technology to identify the face of a gunman seen in a video and discovered that the technology matched his likeness with a man pictured on the website for the Nuseirat municipality in Gaza.
Exactly, so any solution that changes nothing - such as leaving the problem with Israel - is unacceptable. Israel demands change to prevent this from happening again.
Arab neighbours and those farther away have to step up. Closest neighbours first. This terrorists region emerged under their noses. They must help fix it, even if results in terrorists turning on them. It is everyone's problem and locals need to step up.
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For a 2% margin of error, you’re right. But for a 5% margin of error (still 95% confidence level), the required number of respondents according to your calculator for a population size of 2,300,000 is 385.I posted a link further back about how many poll respondents are needed in a survey to have a 2% margin of error and 95% confidence in the result. It was 2,000 and something poll respondents, not 668.
I will find the link and add it.
ETA: Based on a population of 2.3 million people (which the UN says resided in Gaza), a survey should comprise of 2,399 people.
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Sample size calculator. Determine the number of respondents needed in a survey to have statistically significant results. Or calculate the margin of error.www.checkmarket.com
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If you calculate the margin of error using the actual sample size of 668 (with a 95% confidence level), using your calculator, you get a margin of error of 3.79%. That doesn’t sound too bad to me.
Also, if you go to the Awrad website and browse around, they claim that they have many clients, including the United Nations and the World Bank. They have many polls on various topics affecting Palestinians dating back for at least a few years. The firm itself is located inside Ramallah, and according to AWRAD, it is affiliated with a Palestinian University. Maybe they are making up all of those details to put on their website, but it seems unlikely because it seems like the UN or the World Bank would’ve challenged them by now for inappropriately listing them as their clientele.
Here is what this firm says about its sampling methodology for this poll-
“The team conducted the survey through tablet-assisted, face-to-face interviews across the West Bank and in shelters and households in the three “southern” Gaza governorates (Deir Al Balah, Khan Younis, and Rafah) where people were presently residing. The poll’s sample includes all socioeconomic groups, ensuring equal representation of adult men and women, and is proportionately distributed across the West Bank and Gaza. With a 95% confidence interval, the margin of error for the poll is (±) 4%. For further details on the sample, please see Annex I.”
Source: https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf
That information seems fairly consistent with what your calculator says the margin of error would be for this sample size.
The thing I wish the survey gave more information about is what it is using as the population size. They didn’t just poll Gaza, they polled people in Gaza, and in the West Bank. According to “world population review” the total population of Palestinians is around 5.5 million. 40% of the population according to the same site is 14 years and up. I imagine this organization didn’t poll children so I’m going to assume that the actual population size they were taking from was 40% of 5.5 million which is probably overstating the population size because I’m sure children 14 to 18 years old weren’t interviewed either. Nevertheless, using that potentially inflated number, 40% of 5.5 million is still 2.2 million- which is about the same number that you assumed the population size would be.
Based on all of that, I don’t think it’s fair to dispute this poll solely on the basis of sample size, as many are. If you want to dispute this poll based on the fact that the respondents were polled while they were in a war zone, I could see that. If anything, at this point, I think the main thing this poll actually tells us is that, as expected I suppose, Palestinian opinion is very heavily influenced by what’s happening in Gaza right now. And while I can understand that, I also think Israel needs to finish this job and get Hamas out. Then it has a big job to try to rebuild trust with, rebuild, and “denazify” Palestine. MOO.
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One of the hostages, recently released from Gaza, revealed on Wednesday that he was held for nearly 50 days in an attic by a UNRWA teacher.
The story was publicized on X by Channel 13 journalist Almog Boker.
The hostage also stated that the teacher who held him captive was a father of 10 children. Additionally, the hostage had barely been provided food or medical attention, and was locked away by the teacher.
Furthermore, Boker's report also cites another hostage saying that he was held hostage by a Gazan doctor as he was treating children patients
A report from the beginning of the month saw a UNRWA-run school in Nablus in the West Bank posting a video to its official Facebook page in which a young student called for the victory of Hamas’s “Jihad warriors” in Gaza.
The report also documented several examples of teachers at UNRWA schools in Gaza praising the attacks on social media, and found ties between Hamas terrorists and UNRWA schools.
The report also found that more than 100 Hamas terrorists were confirmed to have graduated from UNRWA schools.
www.jpost.com
One of the hostages, recently released from Gaza, revealed on Wednesday that he was held for nearly 50 days in an attic by a UNRWA teacher.
The story was publicized on X by Channel 13 journalist Almog Boker.
The hostage also stated that the teacher who held him captive was a father of 10 children. Additionally, the hostage had barely been provided food or medical attention, and was locked away by the teacher.
Furthermore, Boker's report also cites another hostage saying that he was held hostage by a Gazan doctor as he was treating children patients
A report from the beginning of the month saw a UNRWA-run school in Nablus in the West Bank posting a video to its official Facebook page in which a young student called for the victory of Hamas’s “Jihad warriors” in Gaza.
The report also documented several examples of teachers at UNRWA schools in Gaza praising the attacks on social media, and found ties between Hamas terrorists and UNRWA schools.
The report also found that more than 100 Hamas terrorists were confirmed to have graduated from UNRWA schools.
Released hostage says he was held by UNRWA teacher in Gaza - report
Boker's report also cites another hostage saying that he was held by a Gazan doctor as he was treating children patients.
www.jpost.com
War correspondents and photographers usually can be relied upon to present independent coverage in conflict zones.
Uniquely in this one there is no independent reporting because the death toll for journalists is unprecedented.
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Editor’s note: The list below is CPJ’s most complete account of journalist deaths in the war. Our database will not reflect many of these casualties until we have fully investigated the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ.
As of November 29, CPJ’s preliminary investigations showed at least 57 journalists and media workers were among the more than 16,000 killed since the war began on October 7—with some 14,800 Palestinian deaths in Gaza and the West Bank and 1,200 deaths in Israel. The deadliest day of the war for journalist deaths was its first day, October 7, with six journalists killed; the second-deadliest day occurred on November 18, with five killed.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told Reuters and Agence France Press news agencies that it could not guarantee the safety of their journalists operating in the Gaza Strip, after they had sought assurances that their journalists would not be targeted by Israeli strikes, Reuters reported on October 27.
Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war - Committee to Protect Journalists
Editor’s note: The list below is CPJ’s most recent and preliminary account of journalist casualties in the war. Our database will not include all of these cases until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ. The...
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