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Quiche said:
Omg, can't they drop a load of food to them?

Quote: An email from the daughter of one of the workers was read on national television: "My father is still working at the plant - they are running out of food. We think conditions are really tough. He says he's accepted his fate. Much like a death sentence."
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That is very sad. :cry:
 
A quick note about foreshocks and/or the current CA/NV map of eqs and the collapse of a bit of Hwy 1.

Foreshocks are almost always noticed after a larger quake. And, in only 10% of eqs, are there anything which could reasonably called foreshocks/preshocks. Often, when there are foreshocks, they are thought to be "the main" event until something larger comes along. It's inexact, and if we in CA were to think every X-richter scale shake was a foreshock, we'd be in continual concern.

Jim Berglund is an interesting character. I've followed his theory, used to get his newsletter and he's pretty decent in terms of forcasting. however, he's not 100%. The "scientific community" tends to poo-poo him, but I don't think that's smart...he's been right enough for me. But remember, just because he said it, doesn't mean it will happen. It's just more likely than not. Living in EQ country, though, makes it more likely that not, too. KWIM?

As for the collapse of part of Hwy 1 into the Pacific, from what I understand, that area did get some higher waves and surges, along with strong tidal pulls, from the tsunami. To me, it's more likely that the Hwy went down because of the washout of the underpinnings of ground during the tsunami after-effects than because of an unmeasured eq. Just mho, of course, but it's more reasonable to think that rather than believe it's a sign of impending eqs.

The fish, otoh, is worrisome.

It is my firm conviction that all the energy from the 9 in Japan has put amazing pressure on the opposite side of the ring of fire. Meaning, of course, the west Coast of the US. Energy doesn't disappear; it changes forms, or it goes somewhere...but it doesn't just go away. I've long thought that there is a sort of ricochet of energy, depending on various factors (none of which I know...), that sets up other areas for quakes.

Do I think this weekend will bring a big one to the west Coast? Perhaps. I think that this weekend is more likely to see one than say, any other weekend, both because of the full "super" moon (Berglund's theory accounts for this), and because of my own ricochet ideas.

Does this mean I'm heading to, say, Illinois? Nope. But it does mean that between the radiation potential, and a few other concerning things, I am making another run to the market tonight. Worst case scenario, I will have suppplies. Best case scenario, I won't have to go to the market for an extra week or so.

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Herding Cats
 
lkhns said:
Thanks, Kat, for posting this link. I did watch the video and I am pretty sure that military officer said "this is unprecedented" at least 3 times. I appreciate his tone of calm. And I have to say this----I admit I do not care for our President nor did I vote for him. HOWEVER----I think he did a difficult thing when he called the Japanese PM late last night and offered America's assistance AND also told Mr. Kan that he was ordering the evacuation of American military dependents from Japan. I have to think that must have caused a ruckus---but I am thankful that our leader put our military and their families ahead of "keeping face" and not causing any kind of rift in international alliances.
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I have no polite comment to make about the current administration so I'll just keep my mouth shut on that---but that opinion isn't from this disaster. :)

We've been overseas before and when you move there you kind of know eventually that they will evac you if anything goes wrong. I mean you don't have a class on it but it's just a word of mouth thing for the most part.

Of course these US citizens can leave and will not face the horrors of what is to come in Japan and any further chaos or disasters that are to come (hopefully it's over for the most part?!)

But after I posted directing attention to the link that was provided by (teh, peeples, quiche? I can't remember who posted it first) I walked away to start the brisket and I thought to myself---

Okay, walk into your house and select 30 pounds to pack for yourself, and 30 pounds to pack for each child. You have to make sure that you pack enough to last you 3 to 5 days. (diapers, wipies, formula, meds...etc). You can only pack what YOU can carry. There more than likely won't be someone with you the entire trip to escort you here and there...you will be trudging along with your gear and your kid(s).

Now look around your home. What's left? What mementos or memories are you being forced to leave behind?

If these belongings are exposed to enough radiation do you know that you will lose everything you worked for your entire marriage? Pictures, wedding album, CD's documenting your child(s) first breath, first step...etc.

I know that these families are lucky to be getting a way out of that horrifying mess right now but my heart is with them too. I think that I, myself, would be grateful to be alive and unharmed but then I think about how hard and how long my Husband and I have worked for what little we do have and the thought of losing that all---pales in comparison to the thought of walking away and leaving behind my photos and mementos of my children's childhoods :(.

Bless the Japanese survivors. They have lost too much already. :(

All JMHO
 
What really got to me was a quote from someone in a shelter yesterday talking about how all they had to eat was rice...and then they were given some chicken and everyone was so happy. All I could think of was the fights that might break out over food if this was happening here...:( not sure some Americans would be showing their best sides in the same situation.
 
JBean said:
For those of you interested in the Ring of Fire here is a good interview with Jim. Starts about 4 minutes in:

http://www.kfiam640.com/mediaplayer...emand&item=20955094&feed_name=BillCarroll.xml
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Thanks Bean, I'm off to watch it. IMO Herding's thought about "all the energy from the 9 in Japan has put amazing pressure on the opposite side of the ring of fire" makes allot of sense. We have that spot 296 miles West of Newport that has been having rapid fire earthquakes for a couple of years now, just like the quakes in Yellowstone. Oregon hasn't had a big one for 350 years and they say she is overdue.

Well it is an interesting subject waiting for it's own thread someday, eh? xox
 
cluciano63 said:
What really got to me was a quote from someone in a shelter yesterday talking about how all they had to eat was rice...and then they were given some chicken and everyone was so happy. All I could think of was the fights that might break out over food if this was happening here...:( not sure some Americans would be showing their best sides in the same situation.
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Sadly here in the U.S., there would be a lot more than fighting over food. :(
 
hockeymom said:
Dumb question. Why do they generate the power to the least damaged /dangerous units? Why don't they start with Unit 4?
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It's severely damaged, the roof is practically gone, the fuel pool is dry-- I've read that after heating up water may crack the fuel rod. This is an interesting and informative link.

Behavior of nuclear fuel during a reactor accident/ Cracking and overheating of the fuel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavi...accident#Cracking_and_overheating_of_the_fuel
 
Quiche said:
Omg, can't they drop a load of food to them?

Quote: An email from the daughter of one of the workers was read on national television: "My father is still working at the plant - they are running out of food. We think conditions are really tough. He says he's accepted his fate. Much like a death sentence."
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these men are heroes, and likely getting very weak if not already. i was thinking earlier to my wife after reading the post article, wondering if they had airdropped food into the men.

they need to be airdropped food and water, to keep what little strength they have up.

this will have devastating affects on generations to come, similiar to chernynoble
 
hockeymom said:
Dumb question. Why do they generate the power to the least damaged /dangerous units? Why don't they start with Unit 4?
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That's not a dumb question at all. I don't know the answer, but if I were to speculate, I'd guess the equipment at Unit 4 is so badly damaged that restoring power may not help. To be clear, this is a TOTAL GUESS on my part.
 
Herding Cats said:
A quick note about foreshocks and/or the current CA/NV map of eqs and the collapse of a bit of Hwy 1.

Foreshocks are almost always noticed after a larger quake. And, in only 10% of eqs, are there anything which could reasonably called foreshocks/preshocks. Often, when there are foreshocks, they are thought to be "the main" event until something larger comes along. It's inexact, and if we in CA were to think every X-richter scale shake was a foreshock, we'd be in continual concern.

Jim Berglund is an interesting character. I've followed his theory, used to get his newsletter and he's pretty decent in terms of forcasting. however, he's not 100%. The "scientific community" tends to poo-poo him, but I don't think that's smart...he's been right enough for me. But remember, just because he said it, doesn't mean it will happen. It's just more likely than not. Living in EQ country, though, makes it more likely that not, too. KWIM?

As for the collapse of part of Hwy 1 into the Pacific, from what I understand, that area did get some higher waves and surges, along with strong tidal pulls, from the tsunami. To me, it's more likely that the Hwy went down because of the washout of the underpinnings of ground during the tsunami after-effects than because of an unmeasured eq. Just mho, of course, but it's more reasonable to think that rather than believe it's a sign of impending eqs.

The fish, otoh, is worrisome.

It is my firm conviction that all the energy from the 9 in Japan has put amazing pressure on the opposite side of the ring of fire. Meaning, of course, the west Coast of the US. Energy doesn't disappear; it changes forms, or it goes somewhere...but it doesn't just go away. I've long thought that there is a sort of ricochet of energy, depending on various factors (none of which I know...), that sets up other areas for quakes.

Do I think this weekend will bring a big one to the west Coast? Perhaps. I think that this weekend is more likely to see one than say, any other weekend, both because of the full "super" moon (Berglund's theory accounts for this), and because of my own ricochet ideas.

Does this mean I'm heading to, say, Illinois? Nope. But it does mean that between the radiation potential, and a few other concerning things, I am making another run to the market tonight. Worst case scenario, I will have suppplies. Best case scenario, I won't have to go to the market for an extra week or so.

Best-
Herding Cats
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From one Californian to another, HC: great, thoroughly sensible post!

We live 30 miles or less from the San Andreas fault. We're not running for Wisconsin, but we did stock up on water and can goods, and made sure there was a full tank of gas in the car.

I appreciate Bergland's open mind and willingness to consider that there may be interrelationships between tides, the moon, tectonic plates, etc. But as you point out, his track record isn't something on which we need bet the farm.

Rather, simple, common-sense precautions seem in order. And we should be doing those anyway.
 
Kat said:
I have no polite comment to make about the current administration so I'll just keep my mouth shut on that---but that opinion isn't from this disaster. :)

We've been overseas before and when you move there you kind of know eventually that they will evac you if anything goes wrong. I mean you don't have a class on it but it's just a word of mouth thing for the most part.

Of course these US citizens can leave and will not face the horrors of what is to come in Japan and any further chaos or disasters that are to come (hopefully it's over for the most part?!)

But after I posted directing attention to the link that was provided by (teh, peeples, quiche? I can't remember who posted it first) I walked away to start the brisket and I thought to myself---

Okay, walk into your house and select 30 pounds to pack for yourself, and 30 pounds to pack for each child. You have to make sure that you pack enough to last you 3 to 5 days. (diapers, wipies, formula, meds...etc). You can only pack what YOU can carry. There more than likely won't be someone with you the entire trip to escort you here and there...you will be trudging along with your gear and your kid(s).

Now look around your home. What's left? What mementos or memories are you being forced to leave behind?

If these belongings are exposed to enough radiation do you know that you will lose everything you worked for your entire marriage? Pictures, wedding album, CD's documenting your child(s) first breath, first step...etc.

I know that these families are lucky to be getting a way out of that horrifying mess right now but my heart is with them too. I think that I, myself, would be grateful to be alive and unharmed but then I think about how hard and how long my Husband and I have worked for what little we do have and the thought of losing that all---pales in comparison to the thought of walking away and leaving behind my photos and mementos of my children's childhoods :(.

Bless the Japanese survivors. They have lost too much already. :(

All JMHO
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Kat, I hope you don't have to face agonizing choices as to what to save.

For what it's worth, I think radiation fears may not be the only reason we are seeing evacs. I think the Japanese and U.S. governments are quietly recognizing that the islands will face enormous shortages of everything from food to gasoline over the coming weeks, maybe months. It simply makes more sense to remove foreign nationals, because foreign nationals have someplace to go and so that they won't tax Japanese resources further.

Better to remove people now before there is a panic and, perhaps, a panic at the airports.
 
cluciano63 said:
What really got to me was a quote from someone in a shelter yesterday talking about how all they had to eat was rice...and then they were given some chicken and everyone was so happy. All I could think of was the fights that might break out over food if this was happening here...:( not sure some Americans would be showing their best sides in the same situation.
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Obviously, we haven't had to face anything of this magnitude in the continental U.S. But I lived in L.A. for 20 years and we had our share of disasters, including earthquakes and riots and O.J. Simpson. The actual rioters aside, people tended to be quite cooperative in the weeks following a major disaster.

I believe you'll find that New Yorkers will say the same about their neighbors after 9/11.

This is to take nothing away from the Japanese who have behaved so nobly. But when we had a meltdown at 3 Mile Island, we also had Americans who risked their lives to say at that plant and fight the problem.

To put it another way, for every kamakazi pilot in WWII, we had a shipload of American sailors manning guns and fire hoses, risking their lives to save the ship the kamakazi was trying to sink.
 
A small island that counts just 100 people as inhabitants, but is home to many more stray cats has reportedly survived the destruction from the Japanese earthquake and tsunami last Friday, according to a group that is trying to save animals after the disaster.
"Just to give everyone an update on Tashirojima, the cat island. The people and cats are safe but short of food," the Japan Earthquake Animal Rescue and Support group posted in a Facebook message on Monday. "A volunteer looked into transporting food by boat, but there is too much debris in the water. A helicopter is the only way. The army will probably get a helicopter ready soon so we are looking into the possibility of asking them to take cat food too."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...s-and-humans-on-japans-quirky-cat-island-safe
 
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