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Travis Victor Alexander
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[smeck]

Lost my post on the other thread-----just wondering if anyone here knows JA personally???

 

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[BeachGirlFromPA]

I wonder if these jurors get a lifetime pass on future service after this is all over....

 

[thefragile7393]

I wonder if these jurors get a lifetime pass on future service after this is all over....

They certainly deserve it. I would be burned out of jury duty by now.

 

[gitana1]

How do you know its a lie?

I agree this was a crime of passion...and I suppose it could have been self-defense. It is very difficult to prove and if Jodi had said that from day one, we wouldn't be here.

I am surprised that many of the women who have been hurt by men do not have more compassion for Arias. Not compassion for the murder but for more understanding about abuse and how it works.

I do not see the fear that I expected. That could be for any number of reasons. First, that she has not fear because she is lying...and that makes sense because she has lied a lot. Or...it could be because she is on medication. Or it could be because the threat is gone. I don't know...and I don't presume to have the answers.

I will step away now....carry on.

Hi friend! Nice to see you here. Sorry it is so heated!!! Everyone has been so immersed in this case and has seen, day by day, how jodi's story has been dismantled, how she has attempted to destroy Travis' memory with tales that cannot be substantiated and how Travis' family and friends have been devastated by this cand can do nothing but sit still and take it. So people here are at a fever pitch of disgust, extreme sadness for the family and just rage at what she is doing.

But no one should attack you. You are a doll and you're entitled to voice your opinion.

A couple of things though. One, crime of passion is a sudden act that occurs as a result of a sudden emotion precipitated by something that just happened or better, is happening. Examples would be someone walks in and finds their wife having sex with another man or someone comes home unannounced and finds the babysitter molesting their child.

The sequence of events as recorded by the camera jodi was using pretty much negates the possibility of this being a crime of passion. Seconds after the last photo of Travis, in which he is seated, naked, in the shower, he was being killed. There is really nothing Travis could have done or said in that position to allow for her killing of him to rise to the level of a crime of passion, IMO.

As to self defense, she has failed to prove that. Again, the timing as evidenced by the photos negates self-defense as does her own testimony. She basically said that a naked Travis lunged at her from a sitting position and knocked her over while half his body remained in the shower and still was somehow able to reach her a few feet away. It defies logic.

Her tale of how she ran to a closet (not out the door) to get away after wrestling on the floor, and then grabbed a gun she claimed he had (but no one else ever heard about, and one there was no evidence Travis ever possessed), and jumped up on a top shelf without using her hands, just her feet, and then ran around a charging Travis who was by then in the closet with her, and then ran back to the bathroom, again not out the door, as a naked Travis charged her with his hands outstretched like he was flying and head tilted at a super odd angle (to account for the trajectory of the bullet which was from the top right to the bottom left of his face) and that the gun just kind of went off and she can remember nothing else, does not prove self-defense.

There is also a principle in self-defense that you do just as much damage as necessary to get away or to survive, not more. The accounts of the ME and of jodi as she described, in the ninja story, Travis' death throes, show that after the first shot, Travis would not have been able to do much at all except die.

As to how women feel toward jodi, I noticed that at the beginning, there were quite a few, at times even a majority, it seemed, that believed her story could be true. Or at least, they believed that Travis was a scoundrel and I got the sense that many felt that while she should not have killed him, she might have been dealing with such a broken heart due to his emotional abuse, that she lost it. I also got the sense that most people with that position have been badly used and hurt by men, but that is just my sense.

Interestingly, the very vast majority (99.999999999%) of women posters who have actually been victims of domestic violence, not used, not victims of heart break, but actual victims of stalking, physically violent, controlling, scary perps, do not believe one word out of jodi's mouth.

It's not just that she shows no fear. It's that her stories of "abuse" by Travis have not a hint of reality to them. There is no connectivity. Even jodi can;t keep up the pretense much. She described days and days upon days of sex, with head downcast and soft tone and described how it made her "uncomfortable", but actually, mots of the time her direct testimony contradicted her discomfort. It was strange. She actually admitted to liking a lot of the sex acts during direct.

And the couple instances of physical abuse she testified to were not believable to people who have suffered physical abuse or know people who have (Like me. She is nothing like the numerous women I have represented in court in domestic violence actions). Then, JM totally refuted her tale of having her finger broken by Travis after she caught him masturbating to images of children. It was almost a Perry Mason moment.

Finally, there is no corroborating evidence that jodi was abused by Travis. None at all. :moo:

The one thing that stands out for me for premeditation are the gas cans and the shutting down of her phone and using cash only while in Arizona? Why would anyone go to such an extreme unless something wicked this way comes? I hope the jury will also keep coming back to that piece of evidence! They have not given me a plausible reason why she would go to such extremes to hide her trip before hand...she wasn't just covering her tracks! Therefore...premeditation...

Also, to add to that great list, the coincidental burglary of jodi's residence and odd theft of just a couple of items, including a rare caliber gun, an old computer of jodi's and, according to her, $30.00 of hers), while leaving several guns behind and other expensive items, in a break a week before Travis' murder with the same, rare caliber gun, a break in the authorities then thought was "suspicious" as there were no real signs of forced entry and the burglars seemed to target three unrelated items while leaving more valuable stuff behind.

Further, was jodi's rental of a car 100 miles from her own town, where she could have also rented a car. And then, how jodi demanded a car that was not red because she didn't want to stand out. Finally, the upside down license plates. All of that added to what you wrote above makes a very solid case for premeditation.

She has an astute vocabulary....but a flat affect.

I agree that she is intelligent. Considering she never graduated high school, I think she's bright. Also, jodi has been shrewd and cunning enough to get away with evil her whole life.

However, like most sociopaths and psychopaths, she thinks she is smarter than everyone else and that's what makes her stupid!!

OK, sorry....maybe that is so.

I have been used before so I can relate in part...and I hated myself for allowing it and for participating in it. For that, I have compassion.

People here are mercilessly cruel. To say, "Die *****!" is horrible for anyone to say to another human being...especially here at Websleuths. It shouldn't be allowed and I'm horrified. That makes us, in some regard, as no better than those who do these heinous things we see here day in and day out.

I hurt for both families. Its terrible that Travis died as he did. No doubt he used Arias. She let it happen and didn't stop it. Did she kill him out of jealousy? Perhaps. It seems logical. But they had been broken up and she was moving away...so why would she be so jealous at this point? Its very sad all around.

No outcome will fix anything. Alexander cannot come back and Arias will pay with her life...whether alive or dead. I do not think Arias will receive the death penalty....but what do I know...
Its very discouraging to see humanity in this state. I'm more disappointed in the bashing I see here than anything else. After hundreds of posts and countless cases over several years, I have rarely seen such.

Hi again!! I think there is great doubt that Travis ever used jodi. The only evidence that has not come from the liar's lips shows that jodi was the one who used Travis.

Yes, nothing will bring back Travis but I do find it interesting that often that statement is only made when there is some sympathy for the defendant.
And if we followed that sentiment in law, then we would have no need for prison and death sentences. This is not about bringing back Travis. It's about making sure a monster can never walk the streets again and to hopefully dissuade other evil people from committing similar crimes.

As to the bashing, I hope you will excuse the anger on here. It has been a long trial and those who have watched day after day have seen the horror of this person and what she has done to Travis and his loved ones. It is almost unbearable so emotions are running high.

I am not a nay sayer. I was referring to the leniency of the judge and the tactics of the defense. But if you prefer that I occupy a separate bench, so be it! Guess worries are not allowed on this bench.

No, it's okay to worry. I don't blame you. I was worried too at first.

But after hearing the sex tape, that was enough for me. Then came her sudden amnesia during the murder itself, followed by an immediate return of her memory, her lack of evidence of any kind of pattern of abuse, and then came the miraculous cross examination.

Don't worry. Unless one of the jurors is mentally ill or intellectually disabled, she will not walk, IMO. She may not get death, but she's never going to see the outside of a prison again. :moo:

 

[popsicle]

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Originally Posted by shefner
OK, sorry....maybe that is so.

I have been used before so I can relate in part...and I hated myself for allowing it and for participating in it. For that, I have compassion.

People here are mercilessly cruel. To say, "Die *****!" is horrible for anyone to say to another human being...especially here at WebsleuthIms. It shouldn't be allowed and I'm horrified. That makes us, in some regard, as no better than those who do these heinous things we see here day in and day out.

I hurt for both families. Its terrible that Travis died as he did. No doubt he used Arias. She let it happen and didn't stop it. Did she kill him out of jealousy? Perhaps. It seems logical. But they had been broken up and she was moving away...so why would she be so jealous at this point? Its very sad all around.

No outcome will fix anything. Alexander cannot come back and Arias will pay with her life...whether alive or dead. I do not think Arias will receive the death penalty....but what do I know...
Its very discouraging to see humanity in this state. I'm more disappointed in the bashing I see here than anything else. After hundreds of posts and countless cases over several years, I have rarely seen such.

I'm going to jump in here because you're catching a lot of flack and I do agree with some of what you're saying.

I believe many who are so interested in this case are so outraged at the brutality of the crime and have such a passionate desire to see justice done, that it has become nearly impossible for them to see anything redeeming or sympathetic about Jodi. If she testifies about anything potentially negative about Travis, many assume she's lying. If she testifies about anything that humanizes her or benefits her case at all, there's an assumption she's lying. IMO this kind of mindset has been carried to the point of absurdity at times - to the point of hostility towards other posters who have a legitimately different point of view, and that IMO causes the discussion to be artificially limited at times.

I am firmly and absolutely convinced that Jodi committed this murder with premeditation. I can only guess at her motives, same as anyone. I think Jodi has lied to benefit herself, and I believe there's good reason to have suspicions about all of the negative things she has said about Travis -- she has shown that she will say whatever she thinks will help her at the moment.

However, I think it's also short sighted to believe that everything she says is a lie if it paints Travis in a poor light or paints her as sympathetic. Many here didn't believe Travis engaged in all these sexual activities with her -- but now we've heard him talking about the things he has done with Jodi and what appeared to be an ongoing sexual relationship with her at least until a couple weeks before she killed him. Those things did happen even though no one wanted to believe it of Travis.

I think it's wise to have suspicion about the things she says unless there's corroborating evidence, but until we've heard all the evidence there is - there's nothing wrong with keeping an open mind. Some things we have believed were lies from Jodi have turned out to be true. I think the journal entries today showed a side of Jodi that I never considered -- I think she tortured herself over Travis. She might have actually "felt" abused even if it was a totally distorted perception. But if Jodi has some amount of humanity to her, or if it's possible to see her as something other than an evil monster throughout every moment of her life, does it matter to the outcome of this case? I think not.

I like to think of it in terms of a worst case scenario rather than assuming she must be lying about the negative things she says about Travis. Of the things that have not been completely disproven from her testimony --what remains and would it even matter if all of those things are actually true? Right now, that's the worst case scenario.

From her testImony, here are the things that have not been conclusively disproven IMO:

Her testimony about Travis choking her on one occasion. I don't remember when this was supposed to be, but I don't recall any journal entries or other evidence directly refuting this episode. I believe the other alleged incidents of abuse have been disproven.

I think it's been established that Travis had a sexual fantasy involving tying her to a tree.

I think it has so far been established that Travis engaged in a push-pull dynamic with her. I would even concede that Jodi felt intense emotional turmoil over it. I do not believe it has been established that Travis' motive in the push-pul was anything malignant or cruel or anything other than his own ambivalence and fuzzy boundaries.

I do not think its been proven one way or the other whether or not Travis had sexual experience aside from Jodi.

It has not been established in my mind that Travis ever cheated on Jodi or that he cheated on Lisa.

It has been proven to my satisfaction that the pedophile incident never happened. To me this was proven through her absence of any mention of it, even in couched terms, in any of her 8,000 messages with Travis and in her journals. I suspect that Jodi distorted something and interpreted it to mean that Travis had some deviant sexual predilection -- but I do not think she really believed it, she just used it to hold over his head as a means of elevating herself and controlling him.

It has been established to my satisfaction that she stole the gun and took measures in advance to make it appear she was not in Mesa.

It has been established to my satisfaction that Jodi's finger injury happened on June 4, even if she cut her other finger on May 31.

That's about it, as far as I'm concerned.

So even if we assume the truth of the remaining incidents that have not been directly disproven - does this help her avoid conviction or the death penalty? Worst case scenario. IMO even if those things are true, it does not help her avoid conviction and does not help her avoid the death penalty. Heck, even if the pedophile incident were true it doesn't help her because premeditation has been proven, and none of her testimony established anything that would lead a reasonable person to fear for their life in the circumstances Jodi has described on June 4. The death penalty is appropriate because of the immense brutality of the crime, and nothing. negative about Travis is mitigation for Jodi.

Just want to bring over this excellent post.

 

[Schuby]

Ravish - to give great delight to, enrapture (from Free Online Dictionary)

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

They certainly deserve it. I would be burned out of jury duty by now.

I'd need therapy. I've already decided that I will take a break when the DT experts testify that JA is a battered woman yada yada yada. I finally got the JA headaches to stop and I don't want them to come back

 

[Steely Dan]

I hope on Juan's cross of the rebutal that the gun issue can be brought up again as there are a lot of things he should be asking about the gun I will post here even though i'm not sure I'm on the right thread but I can't find anywhere else to post this.I'm a newbi to web sleuths so forgive me if i'm in the wrong place.

JODI ARIAS AND THE 25 CAL SEMI AUTO HANDGUN TIME FRAME

If Jodi Arias knew Travis owned a 25 cal semi auto handgun and as she says it was on a high shelf in his walk in closet, in her haste to retrieve this handgun as Travis was supposedly chasing her (how would she have known the handgun was loaded) and ready to fire.

How would she know if the safety would be in the off position even if the gun had a live round in the chamber? She stated to detective Florez that she knew absolutely nothing about guns.
If the gun never had a round in the chamber already she would have to have pulled the slider back in order to chamber a round. There would also be the possibility that the clip never had rounds in it at all so there would be no possibility of loading the gun.

Holding a small 25 cal semi auto with two hands doesn’t make sense either as these guns are so small even holding the gun in one hand is a bit of a trick.
If Travis had a hand gun such as this it is unlikely that he would have kept a live round in the chamber as this can be quite dangerous in that the next time he would be handling it there would be a chance of it firing accidently especially if the safety was in the off position.

In order to have the gun fire there would have to be a live round in the chamber already and if the safety was on it would have to be put into the off position before the gun could be fired.
If a person was not familiar with a semi auto hand gun how would they know any of these factors let alone be able to do any one of the loading sequences or knowing where the safety button or lever would be on the gun.
Jodi Arias could not have possibly retrieved a gun from a high up shelf, loaded the gun, or put the safety to off position, and ran from the closet into the center of the bathroom and fired in the time frame she supposedly had. All this from someone who said they knew absolutely nothing about guns.
I believe the gun sequence its self would prove her whole story was a total lie and prove premeditation with out a doubt and that she brought the gun with her.

If the grandparents or Jodie’s parents had a box of 25 cal semi auto shells and the casings that were found at the Travis Alexandra home were the same make might make it more plausible the handgun that was stolen from the grandparents home was the same one that was used to kill Travis.
The 25 cal semi auto hand gun is known as a vest pocket gun because of the small size. They look like a toy gun when most people see them in real life.

25 Automatic-This cartridge is probably the weakest of all handgun calibers (.22 long rifles have more power, believe me). I have no idea what the designer of this cartridge was thinking. It is only lethal if it hits a vital area (Exert taken from a gun owner’s magazine)
In the non-fictional world, a .25 is known as the weapon of choice of light-weight women and pimps, primarily because it can easily fit in a handbag for the women, and a shoe or sock for the pimps. It is not carried by anyone who is actually ready and willing to use a gun, and knows anything about them. Real world use for a .25: plinking cans off of fence posts from six feet away, or, with blanks, starting a foot race.

The .25 ACP is extremely underpowered, and should be rated as an expert's tool, not a gun for a novice
Picture below is actual size of 25 cal semi auto hand gun-they are all pretty much this size

:goodpost:

I hope that when JM gets to cross examine the guy who went shooting with TA he brings that up. He should have brought it up during his cross of JA. That's just some Monday morning QBing though.

Oh, and :welcome:

and....don't forget the Ravished Sleep Screwing.....:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I've been holding this back because I didn't think it was that relevant. But O/T I had an ex girlfriend who told me she wanted me to wake her up some morning by doing that. That is all.

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

This Veronica person - did she testify for the state? She makes Jodi sound completely looney tunes!

 

[Allyne Smithe]

She is wrong...even the judge said to the jury that they will get it.

I can't recall the judge's exact words to the jury but she told them they would see and hear it now but would not have access to it later.

Since it was a demonstration excerpt from another exhibit the jury already heard (and will have access to), imo it wasn't necessary.

ETA: Popsicle corrected me below. They can have the tape, just not the words on the screen. Thanks for the correction.

 

[getReal]

Dang...I missed the entire afternoon of testimony.

So, the defense was able to take the previous submitted sex tape, alter it, play only parts of it, and now it's RAPE all over the news?

Or, did I miss something else?

I'm quite sure that this altered exhibit is in the form in which Nurmi & Willmott originally offered it to the judge (before JM objected and the Alexander family listened to the entire tape in the judge's chambers and demanded the whole thing be played instead of the edited and out-of-context prejudicial and self-serving version which the defense played today).

If I was a juror, I would find this version insulting to my intelligence.

 

[Nali87]

QUESTION:

Was Nurmi finished with Jodi?
Will we now have the jury's questions?

 

[popsicle]

I can't recall the judge's exact words to the jury but she told them they would see and hear it now but would not have access to it later.

Since it was a demonstration excerpt from another exhibit the jury already heard (and will have access to), imo it wasn't necessary.

No, they can have the tape without the words on the screen.

 

[paperwing]

I think because it has a NEW evidence number then Juan gets to recross her on it. JMO

It's up to the judge... I believe, even though I agree, it's new evidence.

I can't read this judge at all anymore - if I ever could. I thought I had a better sense of her, but these days - I'm just lost. I don't understand most of what she's doing lately.

I can only hope she allows a recross. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll know any time soon. KN is in low gear and he's stayin' with it.

 

[Renee110]

She is actually very bright....

I actually think she's average intelligence.

**Smart idea to use gas cans to avoid stopping in Arizona. Then she blows it by borrowing a friend's gas cans and bought one with her debit card. FAIL. Stupid!

**Steals a gun from Grandad one week before. She should have saved her money and bought one underground. FAIL. Stupid!

**Rents a car. Uses her drivers license to rent it. Duh. FAIL.

I could go on and on. She's not very bright. Left trails everywhere.