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The podcast had very little new info and a decidedly pro-intruder spin. However, the part about John Andrew was interesting. When I get over my irritation at how the podcast handles some of the evidence (did Lou Smith act as an advisor??) I may listen to a second episode.
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2020
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US & OK magazines,
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls Moment He Found Out About Her Death
Podcast
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls the Moment He Found Out About Her Death
By Us Weekly Staff
January 13, 2020
"“It was the day after Christmas, and I had spent Christmas with my sister Melinda and mother in Atlanta. And the day after Christmas, we were flying to meet my dad and Patsy and family,” John Andrew, 43, recalls in the “Killing of JonBenét: The Final Suspects” podcast. “The plan was to meet in Minneapolis. So we were flying to Minneapolis, got off the airplane and — I can’t remember if someone handed me a note, you know, a flight attendant or somebody, [but] they pulled me aside and said, ‘You need to call home,’ essentially. I got a pay phone and called my dad, and he told me that JonBenét had been kidnapped.”
John Andrew then “made the split-second decision” to fly to his father’s home in Boulder, Colorado. Upon John Andrew and Melinda’s arrival, they received devastating news about JonBenét: their dad, John Ramsey, had discovered the 6-year-old dead in the basement.
“[We] arrived right as [or] just after they had found the body,” John Andrew says in episode 3 of the podcast. “They were walking out of the house. So it was quite a scene. … My dad said [something] to the effect that JonBenét is in heaven or has been killed.”
John’s wife, Patsy Ramsey, was “on the floor, just devastated,” John Andrew recounts. “[JonBenét’s brother Burke] had this look of innocence on him walking in there, kind of a big, awkward smile. Kind of like, ‘Oh, I know this is not good. All these people around me are crying. Our mother’s on the floor.’ But he’s just a 9-year-old. Just awful.”"
2020
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US & OK magazines,
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls Moment He Found Out About Her Death
Podcast
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls the Moment He Found Out About Her Death
By Us Weekly Staff
January 13, 2020
"“It was the day after Christmas, and I had spent Christmas with my sister Melinda and mother in Atlanta. And the day after Christmas, we were flying to meet my dad and Patsy and family,” John Andrew, 43, recalls in the “Killing of JonBenét: The Final Suspects” podcast. “The plan was to meet in Minneapolis. So we were flying to Minneapolis, got off the airplane and — I can’t remember if someone handed me a note, you know, a flight attendant or somebody, [but] they pulled me aside and said, ‘You need to call home,’ essentially. I got a pay phone and called my dad, and he told me that JonBenét had been kidnapped.”
John Andrew then “made the split-second decision” to fly to his father’s home in Boulder, Colorado. Upon John Andrew and Melinda’s arrival, they received devastating news about JonBenét: their dad, John Ramsey, had discovered the 6-year-old dead in the basement.
“[We] arrived right as [or] just after they had found the body,” John Andrew says in episode 3 of the podcast. “They were walking out of the house. So it was quite a scene. … My dad said [something] to the effect that JonBenét is in heaven or has been killed.”
John’s wife, Patsy Ramsey, was “on the floor, just devastated,” John Andrew recounts. “[JonBenét’s brother Burke] had this look of innocence on him walking in there, kind of a big, awkward smile. Kind of like, ‘Oh, I know this is not good. All these people around me are crying. Our mother’s on the floor.’ But he’s just a 9-year-old. Just awful.”"
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JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls Moment He Found Out About Her Death
"The episode, “A Father’s Anguish,” also includes an exclusive interview with John, 76, that includes little-known information about his family life and the devastating morning he found JonBenét. He and John Andrew also lay out their plan to find the late child beauty queen’s killer after all these years."
add: "If you have information that could help investigators and the Ramseys identify JonBenét’s killer, please email tips@justiceforjonbenet.com."
"The episode, “A Father’s Anguish,” also includes an exclusive interview with John, 76, that includes little-known information about his family life and the devastating morning he found JonBenét. He and John Andrew also lay out their plan to find the late child beauty queen’s killer after all these years."
add: "If you have information that could help investigators and the Ramseys identify JonBenét’s killer, please email tips@justiceforjonbenet.com."
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‘The Killing of JonBenet’ Looks Into 10 Suspects Who Were Never Pursued — With John Ramsey’s HelpOpens in a new Window.
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls the Moment He Found Out About Her Death
"The episode, “A Father’s Anguish,” also includes an exclusive interview with John, 76, that includes little-known information about his family life and the devastating morning he found JonBenét. He and John Andrew also lay out their plan to find the late child beauty queen’s killer after all these years."
‘The Killing of JonBenet’ Looks Into 10 Suspects Who Were Never Pursued — With John Ramsey’s Help
‘The Killing of JonBenet’ Looks Into 10 Suspects Who Were Never Pursued — With John Ramsey’s Help
December 9, 2019
"Nearly 23 years after her death, JonBenét Ramsey’s killer remains at large. The podcast “The Killing of JonBenét: The Final Suspects” follows a brand-new investigation into the heinous, unsolved crime, taking a look at the top 10 suspects who were never pursued.
“When lead detective Lou Smit died [in 2010], he left behind a list of suspects he felt [were most] likely responsible for this crime,” the 12-part documentary series’ narrator says in the trailer above. “He may have run out of time, but now, with that list in hand, we’ll investigate each person, one by one.”
The late child beauty pageant queen’s father, John Ramsey, is involved in the podcast as he seeks to track down who killed his daughter on Christmas Day in 1996.
John and Patsy Ramsey leave their attorney Lin Wood’s offices during a break in the Ramsey’s questioning by Boulder, Colo., authorities in Atlanta, Georgia.
“I’m not going to give up on it,” he says in the trailer. “That would be wrong.”"
JonBenet Ramsey’s Half-Brother Recalls the Moment He Found Out About Her Death
"The episode, “A Father’s Anguish,” also includes an exclusive interview with John, 76, that includes little-known information about his family life and the devastating morning he found JonBenét. He and John Andrew also lay out their plan to find the late child beauty queen’s killer after all these years."
‘The Killing of JonBenet’ Looks Into 10 Suspects Who Were Never Pursued — With John Ramsey’s Help
‘The Killing of JonBenet’ Looks Into 10 Suspects Who Were Never Pursued — With John Ramsey’s Help
December 9, 2019
"Nearly 23 years after her death, JonBenét Ramsey’s killer remains at large. The podcast “The Killing of JonBenét: The Final Suspects” follows a brand-new investigation into the heinous, unsolved crime, taking a look at the top 10 suspects who were never pursued.
“When lead detective Lou Smit died [in 2010], he left behind a list of suspects he felt [were most] likely responsible for this crime,” the 12-part documentary series’ narrator says in the trailer above. “He may have run out of time, but now, with that list in hand, we’ll investigate each person, one by one.”
The late child beauty pageant queen’s father, John Ramsey, is involved in the podcast as he seeks to track down who killed his daughter on Christmas Day in 1996.
John and Patsy Ramsey leave their attorney Lin Wood’s offices during a break in the Ramsey’s questioning by Boulder, Colo., authorities in Atlanta, Georgia.
“I’m not going to give up on it,” he says in the trailer. “That would be wrong.”"
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Wait till she finds out Lou Was paid to come up with the intruder theory. It was a co er up and everyone know including the jury.
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Wow, really? Can you give more details?
I'm curious how they're going about investigating their suspects. Collecting their DNA and getting it analyzed? When there's no DNA match the person just becomes an "accomplice."
They could keep this up for a long time, all the while ignoring Patsy's connections to the ransom note.
They could keep this up for a long time, all the while ignoring Patsy's connections to the ransom note.
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=a...Ewj_jrClxaLnAhXslXIEHYqzBEUQieUEegQIBxAE&ep=6
The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects
JONBENÉT: Narrowing Down Suspects
7 days ago · 31 min
The Usual Suspects.
The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects
JONBENÉT: Narrowing Down Suspects
7 days ago · 31 min
The Usual Suspects.
New Press.[showbizcheatsheet/popculture]
A True Crime Podcast Exposes Odd Behavior By a Suspect in the JonBenét Ramsey Case
A True Crime Podcast Exposes Odd Behavior By a Suspect in the JonBenét Ramsey Case
January 21, 2020
A True Crime Podcast Exposes Odd Behavior By a Suspect in the JonBenét Ramsey Case
A True Crime Podcast Exposes Odd Behavior By a Suspect in the JonBenét Ramsey Case
January 21, 2020
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=a...Ewj6hJL_yaLnAhWyneAKHR-2CxoQjrkEegQIBxAI&ep=6
The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects
JONBENÉT: Christmas Tragedy
23 Dec 2019 · 37 min
https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=a...Ewj6hJL_yaLnAhWyneAKHR-2CxoQjrkEegQIBxAE&ep=6
The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects
JONBENÉT: The Case Against The Ramseys
6 Jan 2020 · 37 min
A book to boot.
Dylan Howard, former NE.
('The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects' executive producer Dylan Howard)
Killing JonBenét Ramsey
Unprecedented, Extensive Evidence Uncovers New Suspects
Killing JonBenét Ramsey
Dylan Howard, former NE.
('The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects' executive producer Dylan Howard)
Killing JonBenét Ramsey
Unprecedented, Extensive Evidence Uncovers New Suspects
Killing JonBenét Ramsey
So the "investigators" went to see one of Lou Smit's top suspects, a son of Bud Henderson. Said investigators were so incredulous that no one had tried to speak to either of the Henderson sons before. (The police had no interest in them so that's why they didn't.) Why didn't Lou Smit speak to either of these great suspects in the fifteen years he spent assembling his famous list? At least one of the sons lives locally. And there are phones.
Smit's theory was that the Henderson kids might have killed JonBenet in revenge for their stepmother's prosecution for embezzlement from Access Graphics. A few minutes conversation established that the sons hate and resent their stepmother and weren't going to be murdering any little girls for her sake.
I think the investigators should start questioning Lou Smit's list.
Smit's theory was that the Henderson kids might have killed JonBenet in revenge for their stepmother's prosecution for embezzlement from Access Graphics. A few minutes conversation established that the sons hate and resent their stepmother and weren't going to be murdering any little girls for her sake.
I think the investigators should start questioning Lou Smit's list.
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This week's podcast is about another guy on Lou's list: John Eustace. Way back when, Dets. Thomas and Gosage flew to North Carolina to interview Eustace, check his alibi, and take physical samples. But Eustace was on Lou's list long after that. He must be a top Lou suspect if he's included in the program.
Thomas cleared Eustace because Eustace was at work in North Carolina during the relevant time (as attested to by timecard, and another employee who remembered that Eustace had tried to kiss an unwilling woman employee). Blinding us with science, Thomas deduced that Eustace couldn't have been in Colorado and North Carolina at the exact same time.
Seems pretty cut-and-dried, eh? That's where you'd be wrong. Jameson says that you can be at work at midnight on December 26 and have been anywhere in the world (ie, the Ramsey house) at midnight December 25. But at midnight December 25, the Ramseys were probably still putting presents around the tree for Christmas morning.
I'm not sure jameson's conscious of this mistake/ambiguity. She seems to assume that everybody agrees that "midnight December 25" is the early morning of December 26. But another way of saying "midnight December 25" is "0000 December 25." Midnight on December 25 is the very early morning of December 25. Midnight on December 26 is the very early morning of December 26. (At least this is the way it was when I went to school.)
According to acandyrose, Eustace's alibi is that he was "working midnight 12/26/96 at [some plant] in Charlotte. A coworker remember talking to him between midnight and six in the morning. At 9:37 Eustace clocked out and left for the day."
It's sad if jameson ended up having an extensive and pornographic correspondence with a serial rapist and pedophile because of a simple misunderstanding about times.
Thomas cleared Eustace because Eustace was at work in North Carolina during the relevant time (as attested to by timecard, and another employee who remembered that Eustace had tried to kiss an unwilling woman employee). Blinding us with science, Thomas deduced that Eustace couldn't have been in Colorado and North Carolina at the exact same time.
Seems pretty cut-and-dried, eh? That's where you'd be wrong. Jameson says that you can be at work at midnight on December 26 and have been anywhere in the world (ie, the Ramsey house) at midnight December 25. But at midnight December 25, the Ramseys were probably still putting presents around the tree for Christmas morning.
I'm not sure jameson's conscious of this mistake/ambiguity. She seems to assume that everybody agrees that "midnight December 25" is the early morning of December 26. But another way of saying "midnight December 25" is "0000 December 25." Midnight on December 25 is the very early morning of December 25. Midnight on December 26 is the very early morning of December 26. (At least this is the way it was when I went to school.)
According to acandyrose, Eustace's alibi is that he was "working midnight 12/26/96 at [some plant] in Charlotte. A coworker remember talking to him between midnight and six in the morning. At 9:37 Eustace clocked out and left for the day."
It's sad if jameson ended up having an extensive and pornographic correspondence with a serial rapist and pedophile because of a simple misunderstanding about times.
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Making the point more simply than I did above: At 1 am Dec. 26, John Brewer Eustace was planting one on an unfortunate woman at a film-finishing plant in North Carolina while at the same time, 1600 miles away, someone was staging a crime scene in the Ramsey basement. Jameson can't take issue with Eustace's alibi because it relies on a time-stamped time card which will include the actual date, so for purposes of the podcast she moves JonBenet's murder back 24 hours earlier than it actually occurred and hopes no one will notice.
She doesn't actually say, "At midnight December 25th JonBenet was being murdered" because that would be an outright lie; instead she says "Eustace might have been anywhere in the world at midnight December 25th, so I don't think much of his alibi." So what if he was in Boulder at midnight December 25? JonBenet had another 24 hours to live. (For the record, Eustace was probably working the midnight shift in North Carolina that whole week.)
It's astonishing that jameson was able to get away with that in the podcast. Maybe the producers didn't notice or maybe they were just desperate to have a program on someone who won't sue them.
Misleading like that I consider vintage jameson. But what about Lou? Toiling in his basement for 15 years near his Christmas tree shrine, did he never notice that Eustace had a perfect alibi?
She doesn't actually say, "At midnight December 25th JonBenet was being murdered" because that would be an outright lie; instead she says "Eustace might have been anywhere in the world at midnight December 25th, so I don't think much of his alibi." So what if he was in Boulder at midnight December 25? JonBenet had another 24 hours to live. (For the record, Eustace was probably working the midnight shift in North Carolina that whole week.)
It's astonishing that jameson was able to get away with that in the podcast. Maybe the producers didn't notice or maybe they were just desperate to have a program on someone who won't sue them.
Misleading like that I consider vintage jameson. But what about Lou? Toiling in his basement for 15 years near his Christmas tree shrine, did he never notice that Eustace had a perfect alibi?
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who are you referring to?
Susan Bennett aka jameson, no doubt.
What seem to be the last of the podcast final suspects are John Mark Karr and Ted Cohen. I wasn't familiar with Ted Cohen. He was associated with beauty pageants and would have been elderly at the time of the murder. Also he lived across country and there are no indications he was in Colorado (ever maybe?). His son disliked him. I'm guessing he turned his father in to Lou.
John Mark Karr we're all familiar with. His DNA doesn't match. But Karr says that he switched his DNA for someone else's under the noses of the policemen. OK, maybe he didn't do that, but his DNA may match DNA on the garrote or something. Who knows? Karr tells jameson he did it and that makes him a suspect.
The podcast's investigator thinks that all of the suspects in the podcast are bad suspects, and he was surprised that "BPD or whoever" hadn't talked to many of these bad suspects long before he got there, eliminating decades of useless speculation. But why would BPD pursue people they had already discarded as suspects, or who were just bad suspects to begin with? What the investigator is really asking is why didn't Lou Smit or someone else on the Ramsey side talk to their own top suspects? Good question.
Back to CODIS searching.
RIP, Lou.
John Mark Karr we're all familiar with. His DNA doesn't match. But Karr says that he switched his DNA for someone else's under the noses of the policemen. OK, maybe he didn't do that, but his DNA may match DNA on the garrote or something. Who knows? Karr tells jameson he did it and that makes him a suspect.
The podcast's investigator thinks that all of the suspects in the podcast are bad suspects, and he was surprised that "BPD or whoever" hadn't talked to many of these bad suspects long before he got there, eliminating decades of useless speculation. But why would BPD pursue people they had already discarded as suspects, or who were just bad suspects to begin with? What the investigator is really asking is why didn't Lou Smit or someone else on the Ramsey side talk to their own top suspects? Good question.
Back to CODIS searching.
RIP, Lou.
This week jameson tells us that the manila rope found in John Andrew's room needs to be DNA-tested. Why is anyone still talking about this rope? Contrary to what we've been told, neither Ramsey said the rope didn't belong in the house. In their interviews both Patsy and John said to ask John Andrew about it. John Andrew was on this program. Did they ask him? (Not that I would expect anyone to have complete recall of every rope he's seen in his life.)
Strangely, a younger JonBenet in pigtails was photographed with a manila rope that looks just like the manila rope taken into evidence: same handedness to the twist; same thickness to the eye. Lou said that it couldn't be the same rope because the evidence rope didn't hold its shape as well as the rope in the photo shoot. But how would he know? He was only looking at a photograph of JonBenet and the rope, the same photograph that we've all looked at. The same argument applies to any alleged difference in diameter. Now if they could produce the photo shoot rope, that would be a different story. But the photo shoot rope went missing. (Hint to podcast investigators: look in the BPD evidence room.)
Being made out of natural fibers, manila ropes do wear out when exposed to the elements. They shrink if they get wet. They have a preferred coiling direction. I wouldn't be surprised if the rope taken into evidence looked a little more worn out than it looked in the photo shoot.
Strangely, a younger JonBenet in pigtails was photographed with a manila rope that looks just like the manila rope taken into evidence: same handedness to the twist; same thickness to the eye. Lou said that it couldn't be the same rope because the evidence rope didn't hold its shape as well as the rope in the photo shoot. But how would he know? He was only looking at a photograph of JonBenet and the rope, the same photograph that we've all looked at. The same argument applies to any alleged difference in diameter. Now if they could produce the photo shoot rope, that would be a different story. But the photo shoot rope went missing. (Hint to podcast investigators: look in the BPD evidence room.)
Being made out of natural fibers, manila ropes do wear out when exposed to the elements. They shrink if they get wet. They have a preferred coiling direction. I wouldn't be surprised if the rope taken into evidence looked a little more worn out than it looked in the photo shoot.
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