Kyron's General Discussion Thread for 2012-13

[sreshowtime]

Does anyone know if the Hormans had a baby monitor? Like specifically a 'portable' that takes batteries in each unit?

( i know i ask weird questions...that is how i roll)

 

[keyleigh]

Thanks for that. But the comment was from the hubby in the comments section of the paper. It disappeared real quickly. It was within the first day or so.

Remember how Terri said the teacher was hard of hearing and new?

I remember that too.

There was much discussion on oregonlive about why TH would choose that "chaotic" Friday to casually shout out/mention a dr appointment for the following Friday.

Things that make you go hmmm...

 

[cluciano63]

I thought she told the teacher about the appointment the day before?

 

[human]

I thought she told the teacher about the appointment the day before?

This is the problem. I hope someone has a screenshot of the hubby's comment in Oregon Live because he said Terri shouted it out that fateful day.

I hope there were lots of witnesses to it. I think it is significant as it was removed very quickly.

 

[ami]

I thought she told the teacher about the appointment the day before?

The quote from her email:

"The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt. I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up?"

So that part was definitely said on the day Kyron disappeared.

(and this to me has always been suspicious. if you have a back and forth conversation with someone, and the next day you hear on the news that they thought you said you were going to the doctor, how the heck would you know which sentence/part of the conversation they were mistaking for "doctor's appointment"? And why would you assume it was the part where you said 'exhibits'?)

I think Terri also mentioned the appointment before that because there was a form involved that the teacher had to fill out for the doctor, and there was talk of "Friday" being the day of the appointment:

From http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html:

"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."

That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

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So the June 4 conversation was the "misheard" one (because she's new, and has a bad ear) and the earlier misunderstanding was about which friday it was. So Terri says there were two misunderstandings by the same teacher. One mistaking exhibits for doctors, one mistaking one friday for another.

 

[Mollyandme]

ALL and I mean ALL text phone and email communique from Kaine Horman needs to be disected from 2 mos before and 2 mos after he was taken.

I do belive that KH wanted OUT of that marriage; and putting Kyron somewhere, might have been the hand HE played. I am firm on this until ALL of his communique is revealed.

i respect your opinion and i'm trying to understand how KH could be involved but I just can't wrap my head around it. I think he has some skeletons in his closet but i really do not think he had anything to do with kyrons disapperance. I do agree that all of his communications should be looked at as you have stated. I would think this would be a standard part of their investigation anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if they did this already and didn't find anything nefarious, thus continuing to have him ruled out. It just makes no sense to me that KH is involved. If he wanted a divorce, he could do it, he's done it before, he knows how to proceed through divorce court. The ONLY thing i can think of is him not wanting to pay TMH spousal/child support but I don't know how Kyron would fit into that as TMH has no legal claim to Kyron, the child support would only be for Kiara.

The only thing I can think of, which isn't even logical to me if we want to go down the road that maybe he is involved and hiding kyron somewhere, would be that he is trying to frame TMH and have better standing in divorce court, keep custody of Kiara so he wouldn't have to pay child support, and hopefully get out of spousal support, etc i still think that's way too complicated and I just cannot see it.

IMO, there is no way KH is involved it's just too far fetched

 

[human]

The quote from her email:



So that part was definitely said on the day Kyron disappeared.

(and this to me has always been suspicious. if you have a back and forth conversation with someone, and the next day you hear on the news that they thought you said you were going to the doctor, how the heck would you know which sentence/part of the conversation they were mistaking for "doctor's appointment"? And why would you assume it was the part where you said 'exhibits'?)

I think Terri also mentioned the appointment before that because there was a form involved that the teacher had to fill out for the doctor, and there was talk of "Friday" being the day of the appointment:

From http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html:


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So the June 4 conversation was the "misheard" one (because she's new, and has a bad ear) and the earlier misunderstanding was about which friday it was. So Terri says there were two misunderstandings by the same teacher. One mistaking exhibits for doctors, one mistaking one friday for another.

Excellent excellent point about which part of the conversation did the teacher not hear. That's the problem with lying. Usually, lies don't add up.

 

[cf0319]

Excellent excellent point about which part of the conversation did the teacher not hear. That's the problem with lying. Usually, lies don't add up.

We know from Tanner Pumala's account that the chaperone escorting Kyron's group became alarmed when she couldn't find him and told Kyron's teacher. Kyron's teacher then assured her that he was probably just in the bathroom or getting a drink of water--without bothering to check. If she thought that Kyron was actually at a doctor's appointment, why would she say that he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink? If she thought he had a doctor's appointment, then why hadn't she filled out the paperwork that Kyron needed for the appointment?

 

[ami]

We know from Tanner Pumala's account that the chaperone escorting Kyron's group became alarmed when she couldn't find him and told Kyron's teacher. Kyron's teacher then assured her that he was probably just in the bathroom or getting a drink of water--without bothering to check. If she thought that Kyron was actually at a doctor's appointment, why would she say that he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink? If she thought he had a doctor's appointment, then why hadn't she filled out the paperwork that Kyron needed for the appointment?

My guess is that on a busy day like that, having just seen Kyron a short while before, the doctors appointment didn't immediately enter her head. When a kid you just saw shortly before is out of their group, in 99.9999% of school days that would mean a kid in the bathroom or the water fountain. IMO it's a perfectly natural first instinct. And then when she realized the child was truly missing from school, she thought back and realized his mom had just told her that Kyron was going to the doctor. And of course that's if the 7 year old's memory of the word for word dialog that passed between two teachers was perfectly accurate.

 

[cf0319]

Terri has no rights to Kyron. None. He has a mother and there are other relatives as well that would come into play well before Terri would have any claim. Basically, Terri has no claim.

As far as getting rid of kids, Terri has the record with the baby and her son.

She also managed to drive drunk with her son at .15 blood alcohol level.

She managed to get an unrelated man pay child support for her son and went to court and got even more money from him.

Terri wanted Kyron about as much as she would want a job cleaning public restrooms, which is probably a job she could get.

It looks to me like there are hundreds of photos of a loving Terri and an equally loving Kyron. James said that Terri treated Kyron like her own son.
"The only difference between her relationship with Kyron and me was the difference in ages," he said. And Terri didn't try to get rid of James. She said, "I sent James away so that he would be happy" and Ron Tarver admitted that James had been "butting heads" with Kaine. One can assume that Tarver questioned James about the way he was treated---most fathers would want to know that firsthand.

 

[human]

I believe there were lots of pics of a loving Casey Anthony

 

[rosesfromangels]

Post 946 mentions TMH suggesting Kyron might have been having mini strokes based on odd behavior. This is very significant. I would suggest it might have been the result of being drugged. Speculation only.
I think this poor child endured more than we will ever know.

 

[ami]

It looks to me like there are hundreds of photos of a loving Terri and an equally loving Kyron. James said that Terri treated Kyron like her own son.
"The only difference between her relationship with Kyron and me was the difference in ages," he said. And Terri didn't try to get rid of James. She said, "I sent James away so that he would be happy" and Ron Tarver admitted that James had been "butting heads" with Kaine. One can assume that Tarver questioned James about the way he was treated---most fathers would want to know that firsthand.

The mirroring of the relationship between Terri and her older son and Terri and Kyron is interesting - if she justified sending her older son away (and blaming it on Kaine of course), maybe Terri justifies permanently sending Kyron away so he would "be happy" as well. And then she sent herself away from her baby so she would "be happy".

I'm sad that her older son was forced to defend her that way. At this point he's been shuffled away from his mom to live with his grandparents (because of butting heads with kaine or conflict with Terri depending on who is talking) and then as soon as his mom came to live with his grandparents, he immediately moved out to live with his dad. I hope he's found some peace in his life and it's not all overtaken by the weight of his mother's issues.

 

[sarah7855]

Post 946 mentions TMH suggesting Kyron might have been having mini strokes based on odd behavior. This is very significant. I would suggest it might have been the result of being drugged. Speculation only.
I think this poor child endured more than we will ever know.

My opinion only, but I think the "mini seizure" claim by TH was a complete lie.

"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."

For one thing, no doctor is going to "think he's having mini seizures" before even examining the child. You call and make an appointment, and give a reason for the visit to the person who is booking it. They aren't going to say "oh, that sounds like mini seizures, bring him in on this day at this time". It just doesn't make any sense, which is one of the reasons I think it is a lie.

 

[Mollyandme]

My opinion only, but I think the "mini seizure" claim by TH was a complete lie.



For one thing, no doctor is going to "think he's having mini seizures" before even examining the child. You call and make an appointment, and give a reason for the visit to the person who is booking it. They aren't going to say "oh, that sounds like mini seizures, bring him in on this day at this time". It just doesn't make any sense, which is one of the reasons I think it is a lie.

i agree. also, if i thought my child or step child (i dont have step children but if i did), or any child under my care was having anything that resembled a seizure, even a mini seizure, I would be going straight to the ER. you don't mess around with that stuff, especially in small children or when it starts to happen for the first time. if terri had a suspicion of that she should have taken him to the ER to be checked at the first sign of these alleged "mini seizures"

 

[Kimster]

"We did find two pieces of possible evidence that are connected to Terri, we can't divulge what those are," said Young. "Those are being investigated, looked at, and checked for DNA."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horma...Terri-Horman-should-be-charged-225585282.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

"We did find two pieces of possible evidence that are connected to Terri, we can't divulge what those are," said Young. "Those are being investigated, looked at, and checked for DNA."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Horma...Terri-Horman-should-be-charged-225585282.html

I seem to recollect there was speculation that TMH had disposable "pay as you go" non-traceable phones she was using with associates? I don't know whether this was speculation or confirmed, so I will assume speculation. Perhaps they found one of those?

 

[matou]

So the pieces of evidence ARE connected to Terri? And they are possible evidence. Hmmmm. I hope this leads to something.

 

[iamnotagolem]

My opinion only, but I think the "mini seizure" claim by TH was a complete lie.



For one thing, no doctor is going to "think he's having mini seizures" before even examining the child. You call and make an appointment, and give a reason for the visit to the person who is booking it. They aren't going to say "oh, that sounds like mini seizures, bring him in on this day at this time". It just doesn't make any sense, which is one of the reasons I think it is a lie.

We thought my son was having absence seizures and it was a couple of months before they scheduled his EEG, of course he didn't have any the 24 hrs he was hooked up. But that is what it sounds like Kyron was having. But they have to do an EEG to check.

 

[nosysw]

We thought my son was having absence seizures and it was a couple of months before they scheduled his EEG, of course he didn't have any the 24 hrs he was hooked up. But that is what it sounds like Kyron was having. But they have to do an EEG to check.

I think the point Sarah is making is that you wouldn't call the office and tell the person booking the appointment the symptoms and have them make a potential diagnosis over the phone and then make an appt. to have that checked out. At least in my experience...the people answering the phone make it a point not to hypothesize at all. They just say you better have the doctor take a look see, and make a determination, or referral if that is needed. And if it was something like a possible seizure the waiting for an EEG would start after the doctor's appointment which would take place that day, not in a week or two.

And IIRC Kaine had said he didn't know anything about it. I don't care how "removed" of a father someone may be (and I'm not saying he was removed) I can't imagine that you wouldn't tell him the doctor wants to see his son because he may be having seizures. All MOO.