Law Enforcement/the Brianna case

Discussion in 'Brianna Denison' started by KR2tonenow, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching Well-Known Member

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    While I think this would have be done in person by a credible witness (Judge, Attorney, LE, or Priest/Minister)to testify it was done without duress and perhaps could require a video tape of the person as well. There should also be a stiff penalty for anyone who reports this and it is found to be false.
     


  2. 10EC_Dad

    10EC_Dad Former Member

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    SeriouslySearching [​IMG] vbmenu_register("postmenu_2031213", true);
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    Let me ask, in the spirit of accountabilty:

    1) How would you implement this? The laws passed would be what you need to implement it. Pretty self explanatory. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    2)How would you track compliance? How do they track missing people now? OK bad example since they do a very poor job of it and part of the reason a lot of us are here. Compliance would come when they are found. At least, LE would have something to charge them with in their absence so they could pick them up on a warrant in other states. There is nothing in place now that would give LE the right to hold them or send them back to face consequences.

    3)How would you prosecute? See above.

    4)What would be the penalty? I think repaying the monies spent searching for them is a start. Jail time for every law they broke in the meantime would be part of that penalty.

    Looking forward to your well reasoned solution.


    Here is part of it!


    1) I see what you are saying, but passing a law is just that, it is not implementation. LE does not pass a law. How would LE implement the law?

    2) Would it be against the law to not fill out the "paperwork" if someone did not report me missing?

    3) How would you prosecute these:
    a) I am in college, go camping with a friend for an extended weekend without telling anyone. Parents get worried contact police. They search the campus and cannot find me. I come back on Wednesday.
    b) I lose my job in Texas and become distraught. I go to Vegas for the weekend without telling friends. I decide I am going to stay in Vegas for an unknown amout of time. On Monday, I fill out my paperwork in Vegas. Friends in Texas become worried that they cannot find me, go to local police station. No paperwork on file at local police station. I change my mind and come back on Friday.
    c) I am a 14 year old girl and runaway from home. I do not fill out my "paperwork". Heck, I don't know about the "paperwork" because it is not taught in school. I am found alive and well 2 weeks later.
    d) I am a father of 5. I walk away without filling out my "paperwork" and am found dead 1 week later.

    4) How do you calculate the cost? Is there really very much cost on many of these cases? It seems that LE does not spend time on very many adult cases without evidence of foul play.

    I agree that it is frustrating that some people vanish on their own and leave others behind. It is a terrible thing to do. Your basis for making a law was money. I just don't see how it will save money once you consider the full financial impact of implementation, compliance tracking, and prosecution. These cases in out trial system alone would appear to be at a greater cost than the little effort given looking for adults missing without evidence of foul play.
     
  3. 10EC_Dad

    10EC_Dad Former Member

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    http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050456/1321/NEWS

    From the site above:

    "McDonald said the Washoe County Crime Laboratory did not err on the DNA evidence from the underwear, first reported by police as the suspect's DNA. He said it was a misstatement to the media by investigators."

    I have to agree that this is dissappointing. While it does not affect the outcome of the case, it should not have been reported incorrectly. I am glad that they did not "sweep it under the rug" but rather openly took responsibilty.
     
  4. NewMommy09

    NewMommy09 Well-Known Member

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    If it was a misstatement to the media, then why was it not publicly corrected right away? People were talking about the panties for at LEAST a full week before the correction was made. I think there is something else going on here.
     
  5. SeriouslySearching

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    I didn't say there weren't flaws in my system. LOL That is why we have legislators to sit down with LE to figure out the best course to plot.

    I don't like that they wait until there is "proof" of foul play either. I think LE should take the word of the family and friends, along with looking at the ATM info, cell phone records,etc. to determine if FP could be involved then act accordingly. Too much time is lost on cases where they simply assume a person walked away because they are an adult. This is quite troubling to me. I want a solution to the problem or at least someone to address it.
     
  6. 10EC_Dad

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    I agree that it should have been corrected immediately.
     
  7. 10EC_Dad

    10EC_Dad Former Member

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    I wish there was a better solution also.

    My point is that it is not as easy as we want it to be sometimes.
     
  8. SeriouslySearching

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    It was another mistake to wait to report the second pair to begin with.
     
  9. 10EC_Dad

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    Why? What makes it a mistake?

    The mistake was the statement concerning the DNA.
     
  10. SeriouslySearching

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    If they had not waited in the first place, there would BE no DNA mix up via the media from LE to worry about a disclaimer!
     
  11. Ca-Sun

    Ca-Sun Lookıng for the Happy Fun Ball

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    Maybe they didn't notice the mistake. Maybe there was a reason for the misinformation. RPD knows; we don't. Like you, I just don't see any reason to continually bash the RPD when we don't really know what is going on, what they are working with and what evidence they actually have.
     
  12. 10EC_Dad

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    SS you have followed enough cases to know that LE can't go blabbing about everything they find at a crime scene. They had to determine if the PP thong belonged to a person known to them. The DNA mixup had nothing to do with timing.

    It just seems like you are grasping for anything to slam LE.

    If you really need something, focus on the fact the the mistake has now caused incrimnating evidence to be released to the public. This takes away something the the prosecution could use later.

    There, I can't be more fair or make it easier than giving you a solid case to be critical of LE.

    Go with it. Have fun. Peace be with you.
     
  13. SeriouslySearching

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    And please tell me why they cannot use this evidence later after it is given to the public?! It does have his DNA, her DNA, and another girl's DNA in association to the case. That does not change.

    They do not have to release evidence such as specifics of what he did to her body or how he positioned it...this would be something only the perp would know, too. They could even release those factors without hurting their case, imo. They have the DNA to match. They have witness accounts of the other rapes. They should have other forensics to use which will put this perp away and slam the door on him.

    The panties are evidence as it relates to criminal charges later on...whether or not used to find the creep or not! To keep them from the public because it is detrimental to the case as it stands is ridiculous, imo. They need to get a lead on who this guy is and where to find the match to the DNA they have. Without that..they truly have nothing!
     
  14. TheBugHouse

    TheBugHouse Correlation does not imply causation.

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    Thank you for proving my point.
     
  15. 10EC_Dad

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    I think it is obvious that LE is doing a good job. They made a mistake in communicating the DNA and thong, corrected it, explained what caused the mistake and moved on.
     
  16. close_enough

    close_enough Inactive

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    i agree...they'll catch this guy...there's all kinds of cases out there where it's taking time, much longer than what some folks think it should take, but LE in the country are a good group of hard working men & women...they don't give up.....they'll get him; i have no doubt
     
  17. newshound81

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    I think we need to put some of the emphasis on the media misreporting some facts and less on the police "messing up." I'm guessing that the RGJ reporter did not check with more than one source in reporting the DNA mixup, because when the RPD later clarified it, they said that "someone" had miscommunicated that information.
     
  18. 10EC_Dad

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    True, the media has had their share of miscommunication. That is why I try to go to the LE press releases as the source of their comments. I don't know the circumstances of how the RGJ reporter received the information about DNA. I was glad to see LE correct the error and explain what happened.
     
  19. newshound81

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    Yes, you pointed me to that, and I thank you for it. Trying to keep up with the jumble of information in the various media reports is difficult.
     
  20. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching Well-Known Member

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    I wrote this long before you even made a point.
     

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