David Rogers
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I wonder if they could tell if she was strangled a different way and the ligature fashioned with the paintbrush added later.
I wonder if they could tell if she was strangled a different way and the ligature fashioned with the paintbrush added later.
The avg. weight of a 10 year old boy is between 40 and 60 pounds. The avg. weight of a 6 year old girl is between 36 and 60 pounds. Both of these kids were on the light side of those numbers. BR was slight, gangly and not the athletic-build type.
The idea that BR lifted and carried JBR to the basement would require him to lift a minimum of 1/2 his body weight, and more likely 2/3 to 100% of his own weight. Not only too heavy for him, but asleep or unconscious, even heavier to carry. I just can't buy this.
I completely agree That has always been my theory as wellUK Guy,
I know you are BDI. I am PDI but I was just reacting to the carrying down to the basement idea, not the whole case for BDI.
I still think JBR may have been lured to the basement, going willingly on her own, with the bait being her promised "secret visit" from Santa. This may explain also why there were presents down there, and even possibly why they were partially opened. Perhaps JBR was assaulted for the first time as she attempted to open presents. All of these ideas tend to make me believe PDI, and with predetermination. I say the motive was either self-preservation against the impending "mega JBR" intervention by her friends, or in sacrificial repayment she believed (and her Bible influenced her to believe) that she owed to God for his cancer-remitting "miracle."
I know, I know, no one here agrees with me on that. But the date of Christmas, the purple Christmas decor, the talk of JBR's twin doll looking like it was in a coffin, the Biblical passages about binding up the sacrifice...combined with PR's dramatic delusions...to me, strongly imply a premeditated effort. I wouldn't even be so sure that the RN and the practice RN were even written that day. I would expect them to have been written, and rewritten, in advance. Just MOO (my very unpopular opinion) and my personal thoughts.
UK Guy,
I know you are BDI. I am PDI but I was just reacting to the carrying down to the basement idea, not the whole case for BDI.
I still think JBR may have been lured to the basement, going willingly on her own, with the bait being her promised "secret visit" from Santa. This may explain also why there were presents down there, and even possibly why they were partially opened. Perhaps JBR was assaulted for the first time as she attempted to open presents. All of these ideas tend to make me believe PDI, and with predetermination. I say the motive was either self-preservation against the impending "mega JBR" intervention by her friends, or in sacrificial repayment she believed (and her Bible influenced her to believe) that she owed to God for his cancer-remitting "miracle."
I know, I know, no one here agrees with me on that. But the date of Christmas, the purple Christmas decor, the talk of JBR's twin doll looking like it was in a coffin, the Biblical passages about binding up the sacrifice...combined with PR's dramatic delusions...to me, strongly imply a premeditated effort. I wouldn't even be so sure that the RN and the practice RN were even written that day. I would expect them to have been written, and rewritten, in advance. Just MOO (my very unpopular opinion) and my personal thoughts.
Sure she could have been lured to the basement, but why, there are nice, warm bedrooms upstairs?I still think JBR may have been lured to the basement, going willingly on her own, with the bait being her promised "secret visit" from Santa.
Sure, what about the doll ordered via, was it access graphics, JR's company? Something going on here, I'm going to guess BR trashed one of JonBenet's dolls, and the order was a replacement?the talk of JBR's twin doll looking like it was in a coffin
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I know, I know, no one here agrees with me on that. But the date of Christmas, the purple Christmas decor, the talk of JBR's twin doll looking like it was in a coffin, the Biblical passages about binding up the sacrifice...combined with PR's dramatic delusions...to me, strongly imply a premeditated effort. I wouldn't even be so sure that the RN and the practice RN were even written that day. I would expect them to have been written, and rewritten, in advance. Just MOO (my very unpopular opinion) and my personal thoughts.
Patsy was a different person, moo, after her cancer "miracle" than before. It was she who termed it a miracle. It was she who cried "help me jesus" during the 911 call. It was she who begged God to raise up her baby like Lazarus. She also said something along the lines of, God has big plans for JBR, she was meant to help people, or something. As if to suggest her death had been intended for a purpose. As if the divine, and her debt to God, were very much in the forefront of her post -cancer psyche.
I wonder if they could tell if she was strangled a different way and the ligature fashioned with the paintbrush added later.
David Rogers,
I think this is a very good question. I believe it started out that way. There is the triangular bruise on the left side of her throat. Some say it was pooling. I have always seen it as grabbing JB by the shirt collar and twisting it; leaving knuckle impressions. It could also have been caused by the paintbrush prior to the SA.
Rain on my Parade,
An initial BDI could assume BR used a loose, unknotted ligature, with the parents adding the ligature to the paintbrush handle to mask it's original purpose?
If anyone can refute this, this would allow progress on the How aspect to JonBenet's death.
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UKGuy,
The parents could have added the paintbrush to the ligature but do we have evidence from the paintbrush that the parents added it to the ligature?
SweaterGirl,
In 1994, Patsy was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and became deeply religious when the disease went into remission. Her mother says Patsy believed she was cured by divine healing. Okay, so there is that. PR faced her own mortality with her prognosis. So it’s only natural for her to get more in touch with her maker after ringing the bell.
BPD Interview April 30, 1997
PR: Yes. I uh, there was some scholarship for winning Miss West Virginia. I can’t remember exactly how much and then at the Miss America pageant I won a non-finalist talent award and I think it was a $2,000 scholarship for that.
TT: I’ve got to ask which talent.
PR: (Laughter) “The Kiss of Death” dramatic dialog.
??: (Laugher)
ST: (Inaudible) Miss Jean Brody.
PR: Your right.
TT; Was that, was that earlier?
PR: “The Pride of Miss Jean Brody.” Well actual. . . no it wasn’t, actually what happened, uh, I did the Miss Jean Brody, I competed in high school with that and uh, placed nationally with it and then I had done that for Miss West Virginia and won with that and then when you go to Miss America you have to do through this business of um, in the event you make the top ten and your on television there are all these rights and royalties or whatever they call it and uh, I have, they have to give you clearance, okay, and to make a long story short, I was unable to get clearance for this. Uh, I can’t remember exactly the details, but uh, I ended up writing a dialog that I used and I don’t even remember, but it had a lot of the same characterizations and that kind of thing. It was all, I was definitely thrilled when I won the talent, you know, because it was a real chore getting there.
In junior high school, she was also very active in the speech and debate team and participated regularly in that group.
Do you suppose she knew she would end up having a daughter of her own one day and that she would be forced into pageantry by her grandmother? Do you suppose she was SA when she was a child since her mother stated that all kids are a little abused? Do you believe PR was coming to terms with her own abusive past in the taking of her own daughters life?
Yes, the 911 call wasn’t genuine. Yes, she penned the RN. Yes, she called a house full of people over. Yes, everybody in the house rushed to see what was the commotion was when JB was found. While PR waited to be led to JB, leaning on her friends as in slow motion. She called the pastor. Why? Because she knew JB was dead. The RN tells us this. Yes, PR states she said the twinn doll looked like JB in a coffin but do you think this was a premonition or just a knowing? Or, do you believe she made it up and she never said it prior to the event?
Do you actually believe PR sacrificed her daughter as a lamb led to slaughter? It’s possible that she did; although I highly doubt it. There is to much evidence pointing to the remaining members of the family left in that house with her that night. PR did not act alone. Ask yourself what evidence points away from PR.
Patsy was a different person, moo, after her cancer "miracle" than before. It was she who termed it a miracle. It was she who cried "help me jesus" during the 911 call. It was she who begged God to raise up her baby like Lazarus. She also said something along the lines of, God has big plans for JBR, she was meant to help people, or something. As if to suggest her death had been intended for a purpose. As if the divine, and her debt to God, were very much in the forefront of her post -cancer psyche.
Thank you for your thoughtful reading and reply to my post, Rain on My Parade, and please know I took zero offense of any kind. I enjoy the engagement of different ideas and so I am grateful for your earlier reply.