Looking for any LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) updates

[SwitchnSinden]

Alternatively beyond the belt I was also researching and learning about TR and BFO metal detectors and am wondering how specifically each location was searched and what specific equipment was used. This brings me to ask if anyone here has any experience in CSI and more specifically metal detecting and how to deal with the salt water nature of the beach terrain when using metal detectors and ground balancing? Furthermore I wonder if ground penetrating radar and soil/ground composition scanning equipment might reveal more evidence? Newer technology today and in the near future may allow for such questions to be resolved and even outwit the LISK's attempt to cover their tracks no matter how much preparation they've made in foresight.

Maryellen Hackett, Peter Hacketts kid fits. Maybe they found the belt but it wasn’t the right initials so it was discarded or lying around. Picked up and used to discard the bodies.

 

[r00t]

If you don't think LISK trolls this forum but maintains his trolling on sex escort forums, you'd be wrong.

Exactly. I wouldn't underestimate the LISK's intelligence faculties. That would be a gross mistake. However they'll know trolling the internet is a double edge sword too. With some salt grains Just as easily they may think they'll get productive info here I pose the question of what if some of us were intentionally trying to derail the LISK and have them take the bait? Like a nagging little background voice in one's head, the "what ifs?" are a useful tool.

 

[r00t]

Maryellen Hackett, Peter Hacketts kid fits. Maybe they found the belt but it wasn’t the right initials so it was discarded or lying around. Picked up and used to discard the bodies.

Interesting angle. That's why I love this board, a lot of lateral thinking outside of convention. I must however revert to the know, more recently the belt. If I can think of anything else I'll post it. This is a great collective, the more minds we have the better our educational insight into solving this will be.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

Was just wondering if the belt matches any of the strangulation marks on any of the victims that weren’t too poorly decomposed? What about any imprints (again on the bodies not too poorly decomposed) that left marks on their bodies? (They were all severely beaten). Just wondering why the police feel that the belt is tied to the victim.
What about contacting the maker of the belt? Possible credit card receipts of anyone who purchased it and eliminate one by one (I know tedious but it’s been so many years w/o answers. What’s to loose)

Victims were all too badly decomposed to tell, I assure you—All were skeletonized. You can’t really tell that far into decomposition whether the belt was used to strangle them or not. I imagine that who dumped them used it to toss the burlap into the brush and it accidentally flew off rather than used it as a ligature. I think they wouldn’t be dumb enough to include the monogrammed ligature. I think the fact it was left behind was an accident.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

Exactly. I wouldn't underestimate the LISK's intelligence faculties. That would be a gross mistake. However they'll know trolling the internet is a double edge sword too. With some salt grains Just as easily they may think they'll get productive info here I pose the question of what if some of us were intentionally trying to derail the LISK and have them take the bait? Like a nagging little background voice in one's head, the "what ifs?" are a useful tool.

Your methodology isn't going to work by telling us all your plans to bait the guy and his goons. Mobsters aren’t necessarily smart, they rule by cunning and violence—not by intellect.

We’re looking for a guy with mob ties. The army of goons as backup is the only reason they got away with it.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

1. The Namus profile of Jane Doe #6 / Manorville Jane Doe was updated in February and again in March 2020. I haven't noticed any changes to the public profile, however.

2. Does anyone know why the missing person's profile (NamUs #MP8479) for Lisa Westford is showing Baby Doe from Gilgo as an exclusion, but the exlusion is not listed on Baby Doe's profile? I don't think they're connected, but I'd like to know who else might be a Baby Doe exclusion.

3. Does anyone know for certain that Baby Doe and Peaches are mother & child? What if it's aunt & niece, siblings, or two cousins? On gilgonews.com, they say the remains are "believed to be" mother & child. They either are or are not mother and child. And on Namus, it says the remains were linked via DNA, but not how. I ask because Peaches was killed in 1997. Namus shows Baby Doe was 1-4 years old at the time of death and dead for 1 year upon discovery in 2011. (Asian male was dead for 5 years, according to notes in Namus.) If they thought Baby Doe was dead for 5, 10, or 13 years, it would say so, or it should say so.

4. Has anyone noticed the pictures on gilgonews.com? MB's crime scene pictures have a close up of the reeds in which she was found. If you zoom in to the center of the image, you'll see a beer can on the ground. Wonder if that is relevant.

I always wondered if that child they found was Brewer’s mystery child that no one has ever seen before.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

1. The Namus profile of Jane Doe #6 / Manorville Jane Doe was updated in February and again in March 2020. I haven't noticed any changes to the public profile, however.

2. Does anyone know why the missing person's profile (NamUs #MP8479) for Lisa Westford is showing Baby Doe from Gilgo as an exclusion, but the exlusion is not listed on Baby Doe's profile? I don't think they're connected, but I'd like to know who else might be a Baby Doe exclusion.

3. Does anyone know for certain that Baby Doe and Peaches are mother & child? What if it's aunt & niece, siblings, or two cousins? On gilgonews.com, they say the remains are "believed to be" mother & child. They either are or are not mother and child. And on Namus, it says the remains were linked via DNA, but not how. I ask because Peaches was killed in 1997. Namus shows Baby Doe was 1-4 years old at the time of death and dead for 1 year upon discovery in 2011. (Asian male was dead for 5 years, according to notes in Namus.) If they thought Baby Doe was dead for 5, 10, or 13 years, it would say so, or it should say so.

4. Has anyone noticed the pictures on gilgonews.com? MB's crime scene pictures have a close up of the reeds in which she was found. If you zoom in to the center of the image, you'll see a beer can on the ground. Wonder if that is relevant.

I always wondered if that child they found was Brewer’s mystery child that no one has ever seen before.

Interesting angle. That's why I love this board, a lot of lateral thinking outside of convention. I must however revert to the know, more recently the belt. If I can think of anything else I'll post it. This is a great collective, the more minds we have the better our educational insight into solving this will be.

Let’s hope so.

 

[r00t]

Your methodology isn't going to work by telling us all your plans to bait the guy and his goons. Mobsters aren’t necessarily smart, they rule by cunning and violence—not by intellect.

We’re looking for a guy with mob ties. The army of goons as backup is the only reason they got away with it.

I wouldn't tell any plans actually. I think the mere suggestion of the possibility would be enough to bring LISK some discomfort in having to question more so anything being read online whether its relevant or otherwise. One of the few advantages regardless of intellectual level even if they're a guy with mob ties so to speak. That said I hope you're correct in presuming specifically those behind these murders aren't smart. I would like to think so myself but I have to remain somewhat objective as well. We can only speculate so much no matter how intriguing our ideas are. But again I do enjoy seeing different viewpoints from everyone and approach them with sincerity and what I would like to think with some kind of logical vigor though I am certainly not perfect. So keep it flowing. This kind of brainstorming is great and we wont know if it helps unless we keep it up. The worst that could happen is that we're proved wrong; the best is that it will help catch those responsible

 

[SwitchnSinden]

1. The Namus profile of Jane Doe #6 / Manorville Jane Doe was updated in February and again in March 2020. I haven't noticed any changes to the public profile, however.

2. Does anyone know why the missing person's profile (NamUs #MP8479) for Lisa Westford is showing Baby Doe from Gilgo as an exclusion, but the exlusion is not listed on Baby Doe's profile? I don't think they're connected, but I'd like to know who else might be a Baby Doe exclusion.

3. Does anyone know for certain that Baby Doe and Peaches are mother & child? What if it's aunt & niece, siblings, or two cousins? On gilgonews.com, they say the remains are "believed to be" mother & child. They either are or are not mother and child. And on Namus, it says the remains were linked via DNA, but not how. I ask because Peaches was killed in 1997. Namus shows Baby Doe was 1-4 years old at the time of death and dead for 1 year upon discovery in 2011. (Asian male was dead for 5 years, according to notes in Namus.) If they thought Baby Doe was dead for 5, 10, or 13 years, it would say so, or it should say so.

4. Has anyone noticed the pictures on gilgonews.com? MB's crime scene pictures have a close up of the reeds in which she was found. If you zoom in to the center of the image, you'll see a beer can on the ground. Wonder if that is relevant.

I always wondered if that child they found was Brewer’s mystery child that no one has ever seen before.

Interesting angle. That's why I love this board, a lot of lateral thinking outside of convention. I must however revert to the know, more recently the belt. If I can think of anything else I'll post it. This is a great collective, the more minds we have the better our educational insight into solving this will be.

Let’s hope so.

Alternatively beyond the belt I was also researching and learning about TR and BFO metal detectors and am wondering how specifically each location was searched and what specific equipment was used. This brings me to ask if anyone here has any experience in CSI and more specifically metal detecting and how to deal with the salt water nature of the beach terrain when using metal detectors and ground balancing? Furthermore I wonder if ground penetrating radar and soil/ground composition scanning equipment might reveal more evidence? Newer technology today and in the near future may allow for such questions to be resolved and even outwit the LISK's attempt to cover their tracks no matter how much preparation they've made in foresight.

I have wondered similar things but by now we are looking for bones. I wonder if there are more victims we haven’t found. We would need some kind of radar that detects calcium deposits.

As far as detection, I think they found Shannan with a metal detector since she had a metal plate in her jaw.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

I wouldn't tell any plans actually. I think the mere suggestion of the possibility would be enough to bring LISK some discomfort in having to question more so anything being read online whether its relevant or otherwise. One of the few advantages regardless of intellectual level even if they're a guy with mob ties so to speak. That said I hope you're correct in presuming specifically those behind these murders aren't smart. I would like to think so myself but I have to remain somewhat objective as well. We can only speculate so much no matter how intriguing our ideas are. But again I do enjoy seeing different viewpoints from everyone and approach them with sincerity and what I would like to think with some kind of logical vigor though I am certainly not perfect. So keep it flowing. This kind of brainstorming is great and we wont know if it helps unless we keep it up. The worst that could happen is that we're proved wrong; the best is that it will help catch those responsible

Hackett’s the smartest, most well-educated one out of them all. As the resident mob doctor....well.

 

[r00t]

Your methodology isn't going to work by telling us all your plans to bait the guy and his goons. Mobsters aren’t necessarily smart, they rule by cunning and violence—not by intellect.

We’re looking for a guy with mob ties. The army of goons as backup is the only reason they got away with it.

I wouldn't tell any plans actually. I think the mere suggestion of the possibility would be enough to bring LISK some discomfort in having to question more so anything being read online whether its relevant or otherwise. One of the few advantages regardless of intellectual level even if they're a guy with mob ties so to speak. That said I hope you're correct in presuming specifically those behind these murders aren't smart. I would like to think so myself but I have to remain somewhat objective as well. We can only speculate so much no matter how intriguing our ideas are. But again I do enjoy seeing different viewpoints from everyone and approach them with sincerity and what I would like to think with some kind of logical vigor though I am certainly not perfect. So keep it flowing. This kind of brainstorming is great and we wont know if it helps unless we keep it up. The worst that could happen is that we're proved wrong; the best is that it will help catch those responsible

I always wondered if that child they found was Brewer’s mystery child that no one has ever seen before.


Let’s hope so.


I have wondered similar things but by now we are looking for bones. I wonder if there are more victims we haven’t found. We would need some kind of radar that detects calcium deposits.

As far as detection, I think they found Shannan with a metal detector since she had a metal plate in her jaw.

Very interesting and thank you for the clarification! And yes I too would ask is there a possibility that the initial and subsequent searches missed anything? What would it take for more frequent and routine re-searches? What new technologies are there that have yet to be deployed at these sites?

 

[SwitchnSinden]

I wouldn't tell any plans actually. I think the mere suggestion of the possibility would be enough to bring LISK some discomfort in having to question more so anything being read online whether its relevant or otherwise. One of the few advantages regardless of intellectual level even if they're a guy with mob ties so to speak. That said I hope you're correct in presuming specifically those behind these murders aren't smart. I would like to think so myself but I have to remain somewhat objective as well. We can only speculate so much no matter how intriguing our ideas are. But again I do enjoy seeing different viewpoints from everyone and approach them with sincerity and what I would like to think with some kind of logical vigor though I am certainly not perfect. So keep it flowing. This kind of brainstorming is great and we wont know if it helps unless we keep it up. The worst that could happen is that we're proved wrong; the best is that it will help catch those responsible


Very interesting and thank you for the clarification! And yes I too would ask is there a possibility that the initial and subsequent searches missed anything? What would it take for more frequent and routine re-searches? What new technologies are there that have yet to be deployed at these sites?

Not sure. I wondered what we can do with some of the geospatial tech. I know we can zoom in closely over the area. That would require the FBI Intelligence Analysts to collabo with IC GeoInt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geospatial_intelligence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geospatial_intelligence
I think they combed through the area. I wondered if dogs can still pick up scents of cadavers long past decomp and detect bones. Otherwise we have to find ways to isolate very distinct calcium deposits. The burlap was probably used because of the camouflage. It blends perfectly with the bramble for flyovers. I think thats why they used burlap...that and I think the fact the victims are all Irish and Gilgo is Irish it adds a particular zinger to it. I mean Jimmy Burke (The original) an Irish mobster. I thought it was funny the chief of SCPD was named that, too.

 

[Sallyla]

Regarding the belt, from his father’s obituary, his mother was called Maryellen as well as his daughter. She died in 1956 but the belt does appear to be quite old fashioned. And if it was used as a sort of noose or garrotte...well serial killers do tend to have odd attitudes towards their mothers and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if using something from his blameless mother who died when he was an infant was some sort of twisted revenge on what he saw as inferior women still alive.

 

[SwitchnSinden]

Regarding the belt, from his father’s obituary, his mother was called Maryellen as well as his daughter. She died in 1956 but the belt does appear to be quite old fashioned. And if it was used as a sort of noose or garrotte...well serial killers do tend to have odd attitudes towards their mothers and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if using something from his blameless mother who died when he was an infant was some sort of twisted revenge on what he saw as inferior women still alive.

Purely speculative, I have no idea what their relationship was like with one another. I simply don’t think that if Hackett did it that he did it because he’s a deranged crazy person. I think he may have done it on a contract basis for someone else to protect something specific.

I need EDNY to indict the wholllle thing. *Draws a big circle in the air*
I need an EDNY to pull an SDNY RICO conspiracy on this case. I know miracle indictments don’t happen overnight. Doing good work EDNY.

 

[Vip416]

If you don't think LISK trolls this forum but maintains his trolling on sex escort forums, you'd be wrong.

What do you mean???

 

[SwitchnSinden]

What do you mean???

I mean that it's not unusual for computer savvy people to troll multiple forums including one where implications get made, disinformation can be put out there and they can relive and bask and do damage control on the things for which they are responsible.

To think they only troll escorts on erotica pages and arrange for violence to come to one of the victims prior to their deaths? Come on. This entire forum would be like one big serial killer circle jerk where they would toy with people about their misdeeds.

If you're sadistic enough to kill upwards of 11 people, chances are you're sadistic enough to self glorify. Especially when ”Serial Killer” is all for which you’ll ever be known. I mean I am sure the day to day existence is quite pathetic and mundane and not everything is about them. Watching a forum go back and forth for over a decade is one big serial circle jerk and they don't even need to leave the house. I imagine basking in their anonymous infamy is probably something they secretly enjoy. Think about it from their perspective for a minute: they paid for attention for so long from these women and now we are finally paying them for all the attention and respect they probably secretly desire.

This includes contract killers. All though, contract killers aren't serial killers, they're profiteers. Basically, contract killers are just a step below a mercenary as mercenaries have legit military training. I imagine they just got tasked with cleaning up the female potential and or suspected rats compromising the drug pipeline.

 

[r00t]

Another few thoughts and ramblings on the belt and Peaches
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)



Is it possible to date the manufacture of the belt and/or plastic tub through similar techniques in relation to radiocarbon dating(plastic maybe not)?

If the date of manufacture can be determined specifically for the tub is it possible to trace out from the manufacturer's business records to where and what places this particular make and model of plastic tub was sold? It may not in itself identify the killer but if cross referenced with other evidence it could pinpoint more details for us to analyze. My postulation in regard to Peaches in the context of 1997 is how would the killer choose Hempstead Lake State Park and Gilgo Beach areas then compared to now. This leads me to believe they're familiar with both areas and more specifically the audacity to drag a plastic tub into the Hempstead woods would suggest a fair amount of confidence that unlike in the late 2000s where one could use technology such as google maps to reconnaissance areas in 1997 anything other than first hand knowledge of such areas could possibly make the killer less assertive in choosing such a place to dump their victims. But back to the tub:

In the photos shown of the tub and contents here:

https://www.longislandpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Peaches-696x388.jpg

What brand of tub, cloth, and plastic black bags were found?

Any marking like serial numbers or manufacturers codes/date stamps found? Is the particular floral pattern able to be traced to a known distributor/manufacturer?

What is its physical properties? Cotton? Synthetic? Silk?

What unique drag or scuff marks if any are shown on the plastic tub? Can this indicate a particular pattern that a specific make of vehicle would cause during transportation/handling?

What fibers or debris or material were found alongside the items in the photo?


As for the jewelry found is it possible to determine the metallurgy makeup and compare it against know manufacturer's values, ie 10% lead, 20% zinc, etc.?

There is also the speculation I have that I'll add among everyone else's ideas with the questions of:

1. Could the killer have been a (union based with good pay, steady income?) Parks(or similar job function) maintenance employee that had access to landscaping materials(burlap sacks) while maintaining the parks where the victims(some or all) where found(nearby or in)?
2. Shared a locker-room or similar environment where gear would need to be initialed(belt taken from fellow employee?)
3. Drove a pickup truck or similar maintenance vehicle to carry the materials and bodies?
4. Due to nature of job and interaction with other government agencies already have the first hand experience of physically where to dump victims that one could not easily get in 1997 or even early 2000s before the advent of google maps and similar technologies with such accuracy and precision?
5. Use the disguise of a legitimate Parks(or similar local government construction/town/highway dept) employee to openly and leisurely dump victims bodies without ever raising concern, being noticed and/or questioned by public/law enforcement?
6. Given the nature of the phone calls to Melissa Barthélemy sister Amanda could it be argued that the killer's calm composure, intellect and social abilities would be the product of someone who's interacted with the public and/or has a background that's customer/civil service oriented? Would this lend itself to the idea as to why some of the victims felt confident enough to see the killer and lower their guard?

Again speculation but how to rule out the possibility of this? Or rather show such conjecture to be true? Given what authorities has stated this loosely fits their description but like every other theory I have reservation.

 

[Silverpoint12]

Why did the police hold this belt evidence for 9 years? What's that all about?

 

[SwitchnSinden]

Is it possible to date the manufacture of the belt and/or plastic tub through similar techniques in relation to radiocarbon dating (plastic maybe not)?
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We need to hear from the ME how long into decomposition the victim was when the body was discovered to narrow down a potential date of death. I assume based on the pillow case found with her she may have been killed in a hotel room which has cheesy plain floral sheets like that coming standard. Which is why they used a plastic tub. Mark of inexperience I would imagine. I would look for DNA beneath the handles of the tub and on the pillow case. The bottom of the tub may indicate what kind of tub and the manufacturer. Since we do not know the victims ID, we can't base it upon a specific time frame of when she went missing. It's heavy to carry a human being in a rubbermaid tub. The perp DNA is going to be underneath the handles. The drag marks can indicate things, yes. I would look more on fiber evidence.

I imagine I would start with all the 24hr retailers that make that specific tub, take the information to the retailers and pull all purchase history of every single tub of that type and start pulling all the purchases. Working out from there. I would check every hotel for that type of bed sheet and print on the highways around where this victim was found.

That XO necklace is pretty common. I own it, too and I got mine at Walmart.

I think working on the evidence is more helpful than speculating on the profile but your perp is white, disarming and manipulative. We know that much. I get the feeling he has a problem with homosexuals and transgenders.

That belt also has DNA on it, too. Let's hope it was properly preserved.

@r00t

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[r00t]

I agree working the evidence and more specifically evidence on the old Peaches case might yield better clues assuming the killer was still inexperienced in their craft and more likely to leave incriminating evidence behind at that time. You bring up excellent points about the tub and DNA which leads me to ask is there any drag marks on it whatsoever? If not how would they have put the tub in its final location? Helping hands? Wheeled mechanism like a hand truck or dolly of sorts given the weight(even though torso and limbs, head removed)? I wonder if the edges are sharp or cut into bare hands when lifting the tub with Peaches body in it. I would think the killer might have worn gloves because of this hence fiber material from that as well could be still left. What is the rated load capacity of the tub before mechanical failure? As for the necklace although common it could be I'd hope for even then some sort of batch SN or plant mark even with mass produced goods assuming it is that. And it couldn't hurt to know the metallurgic makeup of either. Good point on the hotel though as you said I'd stick to the cover itself and its properties first. I'd even go so far as to trying to identify how the seams were made and with what kind of threading which could help in identifying the manufacturer. And its hard to tell from the flat lighting on the floral pattern itself whether or not its an actual floral print or embroidered material. I wonder if they have tried to do visual matrix match on the design against commercial designs. If we knew more about the properties of pillow case and whether it was mass produced junk or actual designer quality material(again cotton, polyester(synthetic), silk, etc) when such an item could have been sold and to who if any exclusivity ie in your case a hotel where possibly it was a unique company only cover not for public sale. Good work, keep it coming!