Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 12

[mjak]

If a syringe with a tranqulizing substance was found in the bedrrom of the Mccaans I would say they have a lot of explaining to do. I am not put off by the fact it might seem dumb that they would leave the syringe there. It is possible that they were using syringes every night and this one was not used that one nor thought about. If the Mccaans are guilty of not only harming Maddie but staged this elaborate cover up then we are talking about a person or people with a grandiose perception of being above reprecussions. Thefore, I do not think they would give the same kind of thought other people would give to another syringe being in the home. I hope this is just a horrible rumor about the syringe but if true how absolutly horrible.

mjak

 

[CaliKid]

I am having a tough time getting my head around all the developments over the last couple of weeks. I am speculating that the reason the forensic results are taking so long is because preliminary tests were already completed and the lab phoned the results to the PJ who asked for further testing. Like someone on the Mirror forums said, true forensic testing isn't like the CSI television show. It takes time to distinguish between sets of prints, sort out fibers and analyze blood.

 

[colomom]

Agreed - especially in the time they had to get rid of anything embarrassing before the police arrived.

If it is true, how do we know that neither of the McCann's is diabetic?

Well, according to their Spokeswoman Justine McGuiness, that is not the case, at least not that requires injections. Plus the story specifically indicates the presence of tranquilizers.

From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/29/wmaddy129.xml

"The McCanns' spokeswoman Justine McGuinness dismissed the latest claim that Portuguese police are examining a syringe and tranquillisers found in the family’s apartment.

She said: "I can categorically say the McCanns did not have syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. They do not use sedatives on their children."

 

[colomom]

I am having a tough time getting my head around all the developments over the last couple of weeks. I am speculating that the reason the forensic results are taking so long is because preliminary tests were already completed and the lab phoned the results to the PJ who asked for further testing. Like someone on the Mirror forums said, true forensic testing isn't like the CSI television show. It takes time to distinguish between sets of prints, sort out fibers and analyze blood.

I am leaning in this direction as well Cali. I think the PJ already has some evidence, probably forensic, but is waiting for a solid confirmation from British soil.

 

[Squishified]

Thank you so much for asking after her Squishified (loooove your username ) and yes, she did go yesterday and had a good day, no problems.

I think it was just "jitters"...

I'm glad to hear that. I used to absolutely DREAD the first day of school!!

 

[meowy]

I assume it's one of those sygringes that have no needle, the kind used to give medication to a cat (I have a couple of them myself).

Maybe one (or more) of the kids were on antibiotics or child's pain reliever at the time? If the kids had gotten sunburned surely they'd need something to relieve pain (I'm talking like kid's tylenol liquid.. nothing harder)

Then again, maybe it was a toy. If there's no needle on it and it's one of the other style, the little syringes do make for fun mini squirt guns. All the doctors there, it might of just been a fun toy is all. Maybe the kids had fun drinking their tea with it or something.

Just a thought, not fact of course.

 

[SewingDeb]

I hope you're right, meowy and the Portugese newspapers are wrong. They said syringes with sedatives in them.

 

[Lanie]

In reference to Gerry's tantrum, personally, this is the first time I have seen him act IMO human. I admit I haven't seen the translated video myself, but the version I did see came across to me like a man who is very frustrated. I would think the Spanish press would be well aware of what is and what is not acceptable to discuss in a Portugese investigation, and if it is true the people involved are under a gag order, I can understand his reaction.

 

[docwho3]

08/29/2007 1 hour 24 minutes ago (from time of post)
". . . The tension started to build after Mr Gonzalez asked the couple: "You were the last people to see Madeleine alive, is that correct?"
Mr McCann replied: "That's part of the investigation and we are not going to divulge any information about the investigation that might help the perpetrator of this crime to cover his tracks.". . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20070829/tuk-mccann-walks-out-of-tv-interview-6323e80_2.html

Seems to me that this is a question that has been answered by the McCanns. The last to see her alive? Not if there was an abduction. Because if there was an abduction than obviously the perp would be the last to see Madeleine "alive".

How would stating that be compromising the investigation? How would answering the question...."Obviously we were not the last to see Madeleine alive because she was kidnapped and the kidnapper would be the last to see her alive" be helping the perpertrator of this crime to cover his tracks??

I think he got angry because the interviewer was trying to "trick" him into saying yes.

I was not trying to indicate any particular thing by using that quote. I chose that quote from the article at random. Actually it seems he was upset at being asked ANY questions about the case. They said that the law prohibits discussing the case and so they won't discuss it.

 

[CarpeDiem]

I assume it's one of those sygringes that have no needle, the kind used to give medication to a cat (I have a couple of them myself).

Maybe one (or more) of the kids were on antibiotics or child's pain reliever at the time? If the kids had gotten sunburned surely they'd need something to relieve pain (I'm talking like kid's tylenol liquid.. nothing harder)

Then again, maybe it was a toy. If there's no needle on it and it's one of the other style, the little syringes do make for fun mini squirt guns. All the doctors there, it might of just been a fun toy is all. Maybe the kids had fun drinking their tea with it or something.

Just a thought, not fact of course.

Yeah, I have a half dozen of those medicine syringes, they are for squirting the antibiotic in their mouth if they are too young or too sick. Our pharmacist usually puts one in the bag if I have to get an antibiotic for my youngest.

 

[christine2448]

I have seen several posters mention the no-needle type infant, etc syringes, the paper is clear that they were INJECTABLE TRANQUILIZERS.

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia...dCanal=181&p=0

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=20 post #291
injectable tranquilizers that the inspectors found in a dresser in the parents’ bedroom.

Now I can't speak for this paper or source, but I didnt' see anywhere it being said anything but injectable tranquilizers...if someone has link saying it was a medicine dropper/syringe, please post. TIA

 

[mrsmousemat]

Diabetics don't take tranquilizers, they take insulin.

Sorry, I was not aware that there been a police statement saying that tranquillisers were found in syringes in the McCanns villa? Please could you point me to the information.

This changes things considerably if the poilce are saying this - and it is not just newspaper speculation. Could you inform me of the link please? Thanks

 

[mrsmousemat]

Well, according to their Spokeswoman Justine McGuiness, that is not the case, at least not that requires injections. Plus the story specifically indicates the presence of tranquilizers.

From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/29/wmaddy129.xml

"The McCanns' spokeswoman Justine McGuinness dismissed the latest claim that Portuguese police are examining a syringe and tranquillisers found in the family’s apartment.

She said: "I can categorically say the McCanns did not have syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. They do not use sedatives on their children."

So the Portuguese press strikes again - depending on who you believe of course.

 

[harleysnana]

So the Portuguese press strikes again - depending on who you believe of course.

Well... I don't belive The McCanns' spokeswoman Justine McGuinness
would be their spokeswoman for much longer if she had said.....
"Yes the McCanns had syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. And they do use sedatives on their children."
IMO I'm not surprised by what she said.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Don't you think that if they were guilty of a cover-up that they would have thought the same thing and therefore realize that their behavior could result in an assumtion of innocence? It's possible...


* Only a tiny outside chance, as too risky a strategy - and they are intelligent enough to be doctors - if not street-smart, as they left their children alone.

Is this reference to the Spanish TV interview and GM's temper tantrum? Are you saying that is what caused his outburst? Because the interviewer strayed from the "scripted" interview?

* Not entirely - they would have agreed the areas of which to stay clear in advance. His responses would have been scripted, probably with his input and agreement, to appeal to any abductor/kidnapper to return Madeleine with the minimum amount of words in the shortest space of time.

A parent who has lost his child would find it difficult to control his real feelings to any person who had taken her and so the parent would be advised to appeal directly to this person by following the script - and not waste time on venting their own feelings, as it wouldn't achieve their objective.

The McCanns don't want to appear 'wonderful' as media stars are driven to do, they just to want get their message across. The irony is that you have to learn how to appear being 'entirely natural' on TV, if you are not gifted in this way. I think that's why they come across as 'wooden' in interviews, because they are normal people and not entirely media savvy... although they may be on a steep learning curve.

If the PR is any good, she would have explained what GM was trying to do - make a direct appeal to get his child back - in advance, to the Spanish programme makers. The programme makers may have lured the McCanns on by saying that that they could say their piece without hinderance.

They may have defaulted on this agreement. TV programme makers are not exactly 100percent reliable these days... as British people will know.

After all, you have watched or read about it it haven't you - as have thousands of others. So who cares if the message was lost? Well done Spanish TV - lovely ratings.

Sadly, the McCanns, who have just lost their child and are not media stars by choice, and are instantly 'disposable' if were not be scheduled to give more than one interview. The PR should have warned them of what may happen but they probably thought it was worth a try to get their daughter back.

There are some decent reporters and TV programmes but there is so much pressure on individual reporters and programme makers to come up with good ratings/readership, that they need to provoke a response for dramatic effect.

I hope this explains what sometimes happens in the interview process. I don't know that it did in this case, but it would explain the 'upset' if it did.

 

[christine2448]

Sorry, I was not aware that there been a police statement saying that tranquillisers were found in syringes in the McCanns villa? Please could you point me to the information.

This changes things considerably if the poilce are saying this - and it is not just newspaper speculation. Could you inform me of the link please? Thanks

Hiya, no need to apologize I saw it in a previous page an reposted it a few posts ago...but here is the link again...not sure how reliable the news source is however.

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia...dCanal=181&p=0

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=20 post #291
injectable tranquilizers that the inspectors found in a dresser in the parents’ bedroom.

 

[christine2448]

I looked back and this is where the tranq/syringe stuff started:

Copied from the Mirror Board: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=8567

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia...idCanal=20&p=0

"Check out the image's left corner. You can read "Syringe found in the room".
There is also something below but it is not very perceptible. All I can read is Judiciaria and tranquilizers."

Please...somebody...is that what is really says??

 

[colomom]

Evening folks,

I was checking my "sources" this evening because tomorrow is a very special day. Tomorrow I will actually have live eyes and ears in Praia Da Luz. A very dear friend of mine will have arrived when I wake up in the morning. We have formulated some plans and my friend will be "investigating" some things that we have been discussing for the past 3 months. I am very excited.

So, here is the interesting thing...I was reading the Mirror boards and our good friends over on the Proboards 79 forum and there is talk about tomorrow being "The Day". Check this thread: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=8673 and you can read about a post that was made by a reporter that some say is very familiar with this case and has a good reputation. There is talk about some "results" on their way back? And about a couple of LE from the UK arriving. There is a post on Proboards see (http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.co...eral&action=display&thread=1188280911&page=22 post #321):

The reporter mentioned is Hernâni Carvalho.

He became mostly known in Portugal because of his work during the East Timor crisis leading to idependence. He was there for the RTP (public channel) during the riots and arsons instigated by the indonesians.

During that period, he became well acquainted with some senior political officers in Portugal (namely Ana Gomes, who was the portuguese embassador to Indonesia).

and from post #322:

That reporter is now working in TVI and he's now a specialist in police investigations.
He's working in this case very hard since the begining.

While I am cautious because we have been "burned" before and having your hopes raised and then dashed can become very stressful after awhile, and lord knows I do not need any more stress in my life, this is very interesting considering the timing with my friend arriving there tomorrow.

Suffice it to say, my friend has a "gift" and I have alot of faith in their ability to intuit things that most people cannot. Course, you do not know me or my friend and we could be complete loonies as far as you know but, I wanted to tell you all about this BECAUSE....

If something really does break loose tomorrow I want you all to be ready. I want you to think about what you would like to have live eyes and ears in PDL do, if YOU could be there. Of course, it could get completely crazy and communication could become difficult, but, just in case...

So, take it with a grain of salt, a really BIG grain. I wanted to tell you all what I see happening because I feel like I owe you all that much. If nothing happens, with LE tomorrow, I promise to apologize for getting anybody's hopes up but, the fact remains, we will have access to someone in PDL and you should let me know if there is something you would like them to do FOR YOU while they are there.

Sorry for the vagueness of this post, links are sketchy and hard to nail down but, at least, I tried.

 

[CaliKid]

Evening folks,

I was checking my "sources" this evening because tomorrow is a very special day. Tomorrow I will actually have live eyes and ears in Praia Da Luz. A very dear friend of mine will have arrived when I wake up in the morning. We have formulated some plans and my friend will be "investigating" some things that we have been discussing for the past 3 months. I am very excited.
~snip~
Sorry for the vagueness of this post, links are sketchy and hard to nail down but, at least, I tried.

It sounds like something important is going down in Portugal. But we've been burned before, expecting things- earlier this month comes to mind when all of the officers of the PJ were supposedly told to cancel days off over a long weekend- and nothing happened. I'm really hoping the lab results have been secretly sent back to Portugal and they're ready to proceed.

 

[christine2448]

Evening folks,

I was checking my "sources" this evening because tomorrow is a very special day. Tomorrow I will actually have live eyes and ears in Praia Da Luz. A very dear friend of mine will have arrived when I wake up in the morning. We have formulated some plans and my friend will be "investigating" some things that we have been discussing for the past 3 months. I am very excited.

Very exciting! Awesome when we can actually 'get out there' and do some investigating on our own. Thank your friend in advance from all of us!